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Socialism is achievable in the US. And don't tell me it can't be done.

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posted on Apr, 28 2017 @ 09:55 PM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: neo96

Individual rights are protected under socialism. Socialism is a scheme of work. Rather than working for one's own profit without regard for others, everyone works for everyone else. Maslow's triangle tells us, when one has free housing, free healthcare, free education, one attains actualization and loves to work for free. Humans inherently love to contribute and feel a sense of pride and self esteem. It's like, humans inherently seek friendships. In socialism, people attain self actualization and inherently do their best at work for free and feel a sense of happiness in doing so.

en.wikipedia.org...
This is all just a concept which is not based in reality. It's hocus pocus utopian dreaming. In reality when one works and cannot achieve above what the State allows, there is no inentive. People need incentive and working for the State doesn't do it. Just go to your nearest DMV and see if everyone looks happy and willing to serve... or the local post office.




posted on Apr, 28 2017 @ 09:58 PM
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originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: neo96

Ayn Rand. Really? After having issues with lung cancer, she suddenly changed her mind to take advantage of social security and medicare. No #.

Look it up?







oh by the way, if the congress cuts the ACA, congress has already decided to give itself an exemption...so all those republicans will benefit from it....I'm shocked!!!.....yawn
Oh and there's no Democrats in Congress... ok then ...last time I checked Nancy Pelosi is not only a Democrat but has had her little exemption quite a while and why hasn't she given up all her millions to feed the poor and pay all those social services... you know like food stamps and such.. oh wait she has everyone else's money to give away
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posted on Apr, 28 2017 @ 10:10 PM
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originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: nightbringr

I don't want the government to decide how to spend my money.


Newsflash: It already does.

Yep it already does and allows us to have a little bit what's left over after they take the lions share due whatever whimsy and pet project they want.



posted on Apr, 29 2017 @ 12:49 AM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Bone75

Hardly.


No that was definitely ass backwards propaganda, at least from my perspective.

I want everyone to have a house like that... if they so choose, though not everyone will.

But I wouldn't require anyone to build a house like that.

Instead I would require folks to build starter homes with basic options for those who want or need them. Then provide all the materials they need to add on, just not the labor.

That is until we automate the homebuilding process.

And I would KEEP our right to home ownership and personal property... meaning that even if I have to lock your ass up because you refuse to go to work, you'll still have all your sh!t when you get out.


The only propaganda in this thread is pushing socialism as the cure to societal ills.


It's called free thought and rational problem solving. Brainstorming. You should try it some time.




posted on Apr, 29 2017 @ 01:41 AM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

Better dead than red! Socialism is a monumental failure in every nation who has ever tried it!



posted on Apr, 29 2017 @ 10:15 AM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: Wildbob77

The chemical energy you need to build the house comes from the food you eat. Do you grow food by yourself? If not then you certainly received labor from someone else for your food.


I'm a construction manager. My crews build houses. We crap in portable toilets.

In socialism, who comes to clean those out? Because know amount of self-actualization will have someone whistling Dixie because they just love to help society by pumping # from toilets.

Your logic is flawed.



posted on Apr, 29 2017 @ 10:16 AM
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We figure out what car we will be driving in this wonderful paradise?



posted on Apr, 29 2017 @ 11:52 AM
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originally posted by: Lysergic
We figure out what car we will be driving in this wonderful paradise?


Not yet, but it will probably be like the Chevy Volt that cost over $100,000 to make and be sold for $40,000.

Progress!



posted on Apr, 29 2017 @ 12:02 PM
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originally posted by: Lysergic
We figure out what car we will be driving in this wonderful paradise?


Asked and answered earlier in the thread.

Seeing that line of thought repeated over and over again with no logical basis is a testament to the effectiveness of our own brainwashing campaigns.

Name one Socialist/Communist/Marxist country (which are all the same thing to the simple-minded) where everyone drives the same kind of car.

You can't because that it is a myth that was branded into your conscience by your elementary school teachers.

You should give this a read, it's fascinating stuff.



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posted on Apr, 29 2017 @ 12:50 PM
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originally posted by: Montsta

originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: Wildbob77

The chemical energy you need to build the house comes from the food you eat. Do you grow food by yourself? If not then you certainly received labor from someone else for your food.


I'm a construction manager. My crews build houses. We crap in portable toilets.

In socialism, who comes to clean those out?


That is a valid question.

I would set the retirement age at 50 for everyone. Jobs that people don't want to do can come with incentives such as earlier retirement or more housing options.

My turn.

As a construction manager, how would you go about eliminating the need for port-a-johns?



posted on Apr, 29 2017 @ 01:08 PM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

Why the F would ya? That s the most absurd thing I've heard. I make money have job a house stuff. SO why would I want to give it away to some other useless gobshyte who refuses to work?

DO AWAY with all welfare! Get rid of half of the government workers and if you want welfare you have to go work in the government to get it. Always trash to be picked up taken out.

You don't work you get NOTHING!!

Why in the Hell would we want something like that here? Please tell me of any benefit




posted on Apr, 29 2017 @ 10:30 PM
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This is one of the dumbest things I've read in quite a while. Whether it's possible really isn't the issue... Have you looked at the actual effects of socialism? Lots of case studies, not very inspiring



posted on Apr, 30 2017 @ 04:10 AM
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While Progs try to sell a failing idea, that has killed untold MILLIONS, completely forgetting WHO has to go CLEAN up those communist messes with our blood, I want to once again state: HUMAN NATURE NEGATES THE POSSIBILITY of success.
We HAVE a constitution and I SAY we keep it .I say that as a person RESPONSIBLE for it with MY life.
Kill ME and mine FIRST then maybe you can try.

I 'm saying IT WILL not be done ,simple.
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posted on Apr, 30 2017 @ 05:31 AM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: seeker1963

I live in Canada where healthcare is free. I was in line to get my health card renewed the other day and it took hours of waiting in line. That's how bad socialist service is. Yeah it's slow. It's free, but the quality of service is crap.

My point is, socialism is achievable. As for the service, that's another story. Just compare public schools with private schools. Where do rich people send their kids? It's a no brainer.

Public schools. Where the wealthy buy their qualifications instead of working for them.

My 13 years old twin nephews attend expensive Public school. After their first year their parents were disappointed with their school reports and that their grades were mostly C's and D's. They informed the Head that if the boys' grades didn't improve by the end of the current term they will be removed from the school and placed elsewhere. By the end of that term the boys' grades had suddenly attained A's and B+'s, which was much to the delight of the parents (obviously) and were happy to keep the boys at the school. Which in turn delighted the Head because he gets to keep taking their cash.

I know these boys like I know my own children, they are my sister's boys, my nephews. They didn't suddenly buckle down to school work mid-term, nothing remotely of the sort. They still can't be bothered to do their homework on time or if at all. Don't get me wrong, they are very intelligent kids, I'm not taking that away from them. But I see they are very privileged and very lazy. They have learned so far that no effort from them has ever been nor will be expected in order to get what they want in life.

Public schools are just expensive shops that sell qualifications to rich people.
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posted on Apr, 30 2017 @ 05:42 AM
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originally posted by: allsee4eye
Hafez Assad was put into power by the USSR. Baathism was backed by the USSR. Baathism is socialism. In Syria housing is free, healthcare is free, education is free. They get solar power for free. In the US it costs money to build solar power. In Syria it's all done for free.


When you use that word free, I don't think it means what you think it does. Think about it.



posted on Apr, 30 2017 @ 06:13 AM
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a reply to: allsee4eye



Socialism sounds good as an idea. In reality what always happens is it just becomes another system of control by a ruling cabal. Except its much worse than other systems because everything, including people becomes property of the state. Communist regimes have murdered more people than any other system of government on the planet in history. Both in China and Russia. Both countries started out with the goal of socialism and devolved into totalitarianism. You might have small countries like Denmark that managed to pull it off, largely because they are a small country with a homogeneous culture and population. I don't think it would ever work here, for one thing we are too divided,selfish and greedy and altruism is seen as weakness in our current society. I would prefer that we keep our constitution, get the moneyed interests out of politics and return to democracy. That will work much better and provide a better standard of living than socialism could ever hope to.


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posted on Apr, 30 2017 @ 08:37 AM
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a reply to: allsee4eye

We had that in the US before. Free housing, free clothing, free food, free medical care...all you had to do was back breaking labor and relinquish certain freedoms. In fact participation in that socialist program was involuntary. You were automatically enrolled.

That program ended in 1865 but it wasn't called socialism. Essentially the same thing though.



posted on Apr, 30 2017 @ 08:51 AM
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originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: Montsta

originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: Wildbob77

The chemical energy you need to build the house comes from the food you eat. Do you grow food by yourself? If not then you certainly received labor from someone else for your food.


I'm a construction manager. My crews build houses. We crap in portable toilets.

In socialism, who comes to clean those out?


That is a valid question.

I would set the retirement age at 50 for everyone. Jobs that people don't want to do can come with incentives such as earlier retirement or more housing options.

My turn.

As a construction manager, how would you go about eliminating the need for port-a-johns?


But, but, but, if you do that then not everyone is equal. You are offering some more and better for doing harder, nastier, less appealing work ... sort of like in a capitalist economy.

And you end up creating haves and have nots.



posted on Apr, 30 2017 @ 09:00 AM
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a reply to: doobydoll

I think you mixed up public and private schools. Otherwise your post makes sense.



posted on Apr, 30 2017 @ 09:11 AM
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Man there's a lot of hate and ignorance in this post.

Venzuela was a dictatorship for decades, not an example of a socialist country. Why don't Republicans ever use European countries for examples I wonder?

America has been what's called a mixed economy for decades- big government and big business. If you get rid of either one then you get tyranny, which is what's coming with Trump getting rid of as much of our government as possible.

Government spending creates prosperity for individuals and business and gives non-wealthy people rights. Getting rid of government shrinks spending which makes the rich richer and everyone else broke and powerless.



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