Socialism is achievable in the US. And don't tell me it can't be done.

originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: selfharmonise

In socialism everyone works for society for the benefit of society. Everyone works for everyone else. That's why it's call socialism which is derived from the word society. As opposed to working only for the profit of oneself.

Except for the fact that it isn't true.

People aren't working for the greater good. They're still working for themselves and their families. All that's changed is the rules of the game.

Your concept is just so many high-minded words to make you feel better about taking what someone else has earned for yourself.

a reply to: jimmyx

So what part of the topic did someone miss ?

Socialism is achievable in the US. And don't tell me it can't be done.

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: neo96

Ayn Rand. Really? After having issues with lung cancer, she suddenly changed her mind to take advantage of social security and medicare. No #.

Look it up?

oh by the way, if the congress cuts the ACA, congress has already decided to give itself an exemption...so all those republicans will benefit from it....I'm shocked!!!.....yawn

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: jimmyx

So what part of the topic did someone miss ?

Socialism is achievable in the US. And don't tell me it can't be done.

the word "socialism" has become so bastardized that people are using the term to represent whatever they "think" it means......humans cannot live without some type of socialism as it is defined.....even cavemen realized you need some type of socialism to survive

a reply to: jimmyx

the word "socialism" has become so bastardized that people are using the term to represent whatever they "think"

Oh do you mean like fascism and corporatism ?

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: jimmyx

the word "socialism" has become so bastardized that people are using the term to represent whatever they "think"

Oh do you mean like fascism and corporatism ?

depends on how those 2 terms are defined, and to what degree those political philosophies are being used in modern societies

originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: neo96

Maslow's triangle tells us, when one has free housing, free healthcare, free education, one attains actualization and loves to work for free.

You've inserted the word "free" in order to make Maslow sound like he was saying something that he really wasn't.

Besides, socialism has a terrible habit of failing to meet the needs right at the bottom of the pyramid, which means meeting those fancy needs you mention - all of which are higher up the hierarchy and therefore less fundamentally necessary - are just plastering over the gaps and become essentially pointless.

originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: neo96

Everyone works for everyone. Everyone pays to everyone. Everyone earns from everyone. There is no contradiction. I scratch your back. You scratch mine. I teach you to read. You mow my lawn. No money involved.

I wish more people thought like this, or at least opened their minds enough to consider the possibilities.

Will these be the same people who starve to death because the guys with the food don't need any of their specific skills?

I can picture the scene.

Starving man: "Hey can I trade for some food?"
Farmer: "Sure, what can you do for me?"
Starving man: "I invent incredibly important cures for diseases that would otherwise wipe out humanity."
Farmer: "Hmm, I don't really need any of that right now, sorry."
Starving man: "Oh, if only we have some mechanism for quantifying the value of my labor, in such a way that all people could trade equally in that value without needing to find a person who has the specific goods I need AND who needs my specific skill set in return."
Farmer: "Yeah, that would be good. Maybe some kind of token that we could exchange to represent that value. We could call it something like 'currency', which everyone would be happy to accept in return for goods and services because they know that everyone else will also accept it."
Starving man: "It's a nice dream to have. Oh well, I suppose I better go curl up in the corner and starve to death, taking all my not immediately useful or tradeable skills and knowledge with me to the grave. Huzzah for socialism!"

Go find the end of the rainbow. Don't come back until you've found it. Try looking in Venezuela or Greece...

How many times does a system have to fail before you realize there is something inherently wrong with it?

originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: Cygnis

And what about all those who aren't wanting to work, and don't care to work?

Admit that you'd like to either force those people to work or let them starve first, then maybe we can have a real conversation.

That goes for all the marxiphobes here as well.

I have had to scrap, srimp and carve out my own. No one has offered help, and when I even needed it, I had to still figure it out.

I'm rather cold when it comes to people getting tens of thousands in aid, when I have to bust my backside for my own.

I'm more inclined to call it "personal responsibility" and expect it from everyone, as it has always been expected from me.

Socialism is an excuse to avoid personal responsibility, as it comes down to everyone else being responsible. I am not my brothers keeper.

a reply to: allsee4eye

You are associating all of those things with no cost.

There is a tremendous cost for it all.

If you do not like it here, I do not mean to be rude when I say this, but you need to actually go see what life is like there..or anywhere else for that matter, before simply saying "it works".

a reply to: EvillerBob



Japenese Firm to Open World's First Robot-Run Farm

Soon we won't need farmers.

a reply to: jimmyx

Socialism is nothing more than the collective or government ownership of all means of production. In other words no private ownership.

a reply to: allsee4eye

I've got to wonder... You claim to live in Canada, so why is it your interest to get Americans to change our government to a socialist one?...

Socialism aims at abolishing the ability of people to own property in lands and rent. Anything that produces under a socialist system has to be controlled by the socialist party/government.

The United States was formed under principles that gives a right to all individuals.

Socialism aims at abolishing rights which the U.S. Constitution states individual rights are guaranteed to the people. Socialism imposes the "collective good over individual good", hence socialism cannot and should not be implemented in the U.S. because it would mean the abolition of rights to individuals.

People living in a nation can only be free if that nation guarantees "individual rights". Because after all, a nation is composed of individuals with many different beliefs, and cultures.

Any of those people who live in the U.S. and want to force their delusional vision of socialism should go live in countries like Venezuela so they can see what socialism really does to people and a country.

BTW, yes, even though a lot of leftists don't want to admit it. The majority of Muslim nations are socialist.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Socialism only leaves misery and despair, fertile grounds for capitalism to spread democracy and freedom.

And then we'd have to start all over again.

What's wrong with people?!

a reply to: allsee4eye

" And don't tell me it can't be done. "


It Can't . 2 Hundred Million Americans with Firearms say So !

originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: neo96

Individual rights are protected under socialism.)(WHAT? Socialism is a scheme of work. Rather than working for one's own profit without regard for others, everyone works for everyone else. Maslow's triangle tells us, when one has free housing, free healthcare, free education, one attains actualization and loves to work for free(yes garbage men, bus drivers, construction workers would looove to work for free, not everyone is an artist or sit in the office do nothing government worker...CLUELESS. Humans inherently love to contribute and feel a sense of pride and self esteem.(if they get something of out it)It's like, humans inherently seek friendships. In socialism, people attain self actualization and inherently do their best at work for free and feel a sense of happiness in doing so.

Who are these people who would rather work than go boating, fishing, camping, golfing, drinking, going to movies, sports, driving, screwing, even video games. How bad does one's life have to suck to rather work than leisure.

en.wikipedia.org...

This is some perverted psychology.

Nevermind.
Comment already made earlier in the thread.

originally posted by: jellyrev

originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: neo96

Individual rights are protected under socialism.)(WHAT? Socialism is a scheme of work. Rather than working for one's own profit without regard for others, everyone works for everyone else. Maslow's triangle tells us, when one has free housing, free healthcare, free education, one attains actualization and loves to work for free(yes garbage men, bus drivers, construction workers would looove to work for free, not everyone is an artist or sit in the office do nothing government worker...CLUELESS. Humans inherently love to contribute and feel a sense of pride and self esteem.(if they get something of out it)It's like, humans inherently seek friendships. In socialism, people attain self actualization and inherently do their best at work for free and feel a sense of happiness in doing so.

Who are these people who would rather work than go boating, fishing, camping, golfing, drinking, going to movies, sports, driving, screwing, even video games. How bad does one's life have to suck to rather work than leisure.

en.wikipedia.org...

This is some perverted psychology.

Tell me about it!

If I loved to work for free, my house would be a whole lot cleaner than it is.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: jellyrev

originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: neo96

Individual rights are protected under socialism.)(WHAT? Socialism is a scheme of work. Rather than working for one's own profit without regard for others, everyone works for everyone else. Maslow's triangle tells us, when one has free housing, free healthcare, free education, one attains actualization and loves to work for free(yes garbage men, bus drivers, construction workers would looove to work for free, not everyone is an artist or sit in the office do nothing government worker...CLUELESS. Humans inherently love to contribute and feel a sense of pride and self esteem.(if they get something of out it)It's like, humans inherently seek friendships. In socialism, people attain self actualization and inherently do their best at work for free and feel a sense of happiness in doing so.

Who are these people who would rather work than go boating, fishing, camping, golfing, drinking, going to movies, sports, driving, screwing, even video games. How bad does one's life have to suck to rather work than leisure.

en.wikipedia.org...

This is some perverted psychology.

Tell me about it!

If I loved to work for free, my house would be a whole lot cleaner than it is.

Easy way to debunk the claim of "Will love job so much work for free". Ask your average Venus Project(hipster tech socialism) lover who is also a Barista at your local starbucks if they would continue serving coffee to you everyday for FREE.