Socialism is achievable in the US. And don't tell me it can't be done.

originally posted by: Cygnis

And what about all those who aren't wanting to work, and don't care to work?

Admit that you'd like to either force those people to work or let them starve first, then maybe we can have a real conversation.

That goes for all the marxiphobes here as well.

a reply to: Cygnis

With perseverance the social programs will shrink. With that the amount of those favoring socialism will shrink, once they get to experience the righteous indignation directed at those that they have to pay taxes to support that are perfectly capable of supporting themselves.

a reply to: Bone75

I'll admit it freely. If a person is capable of being self supporting but wants a free ride they should starve. There.. Happy?

originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: seeker1963

I live in Canada where healthcare is free. I was in line to get my health card renewed the other day and it took hours of waiting in line. That's how bad socialist service is. Yeah it's slow. It's free, but the quality of service is crap.

My point is, socialism is achievable. As for the service, that's another story. Just compare public schools with private schools. Where do rich people send their kids? It's a no brainer.

Yeah, healthcare is free but you pay for it with the expensive beer, cigarettes etc.

And free housing, free education, free healthcare doesn't speak to the quality of all three.

Free shack, free indoctrination to love the state, and free healthcare if we deem your life is worth the cost to us.

We won't have a utopian society until the Vulcans make first contact.

originally posted by: allsee4eye
healthcare is free,

education is free.

Yeah, no thanks, I'm cool in the US. I prefer my hospitals to be not soo much requiring a hospital after you visit one...and one kid per seat..just my humble opinion.

a reply to: allsee4eye

One of the great freedoms we have here in America is the freedom to LEAVE America. Lots of socialists countries will welcome you if you are willing to sacrifice, and contribute to their "Stronger Together" system.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: allsee4eye

One of the great freedoms we have here in America is the freedom to LEAVE America. Lots of socialists countries will welcome you if you are willing to sacrifice, and contribute to their "Stronger Together" system.

Yeah no thanks... I like it here... and this is just as much my country as it is yours.

a reply to: allsee4eye

What about those of us who don't want to live under your "I know Best" Utopia?

originally posted by: allsee4eye
a reply to: selfharmonise

In socialism everyone works for society for the benefit of society. Everyone works for everyone else. That's why it's call socialism which is derived from the word society. As opposed to working only for the profit of oneself.

I have no interest in working for a society. I am not stopping you from doing whatever you want. Your socialism requires me to be enslaved by you.

Please take you socialism and sod off.

a reply to: allsee4eye

originally posted by: Arizonaguy
a reply to: Bone75

I'll admit it freely. If a person is capable of being self supporting but wants a free ride they should starve. There.. Happy?

Yeah that's what Stalin thought as well.

So, is it, National Socialism you are after?



Cuz I think there is a line of Antifa tough bros and hoes waiting to scalp you.

a reply to: Bone75

No...he didn't. You worked or you were executed. There was no choice to starve in the matter

The homeless people our church feeds every Sunday, love the limited socialism already in place here in America.

originally posted by: Lysergic
So, is it, National Socialism you are after?

Cuz I think there is a line of Antifa tough bros and hoes waiting to scalp you.

That's exactly what I want... and I'll put those antifa bros and hoes to work.

a reply to: Bone75

So under this national socialism.

What we going to drive?

Everyone has to drive a Volkswagen?

originally posted by: Lysergic
a reply to: allsee4eye

What about those of us who don't want to live under your "I know Best" Utopia?

You'll change your mind soon. You all will.

Marx was right, in order for Socialism to work, there can't be an opposition... and there won't be.

That's why it's going to work here... among many other reasons.

'' The left always talk about sharing the wealth, but never about sharing the work. '' - Unknown-

originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: Cygnis

And what about all those who aren't wanting to work, and don't care to work?

Admit that you'd like to either force those people to work or let them starve first, then maybe we can have a real conversation.

That goes for all the marxiphobes here as well.

Sure, wanna be lazy, you don't deserve the fruits of MY labor. Starve or whatever other fate. Then responsible people can teach their orphans to work for what you need, not rely on those who do.
And second, marxiphobe is a misnomer. We aren't afraid of it. We despise it. We hate it and all of the suffering and death it has caused.

originally posted by: Lysergic
a reply to: Bone75

So under this national socialism.

What we going to drive?

Everyone has to drive a Volkswagen?

Why would we all have to drive the same kind of car? We already produce a wide variety of vehicles here and by the end of Trump's tenure I hope we'll be producing many more.