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California single-payer healthcare bill passes first committee test

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posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 03:43 PM
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a reply to: neo96

Single payer does not nessary mean single option.

Even in the UK we have private hospitals, if you dont like the care the government provides you can pay to go private.

Anyway its california problem, if you dont like it? Dont live in that state.




posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 03:46 PM
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a reply to: neo96

We are basically screwed anyway. This is why it costs the same $2,000 in any hospital for the same test.

The sick truth is that the hospitals are already a monopoly backed by the SUPER powerful AMA.



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 03:48 PM
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At least someone is trying to offer solutions. California is and always has been top innovators in our country, so let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater just yet.



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 03:48 PM
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Irony...

Under what Ryan is wanting to do with healthcare, this is plausible. But the Democrats oppose it.

Under the ACA, as I understand it, California's would still be required to purchase insurance or pay a penalty. The Democrats support that.

TheRedneck



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 03:50 PM
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a reply to: crazyewok

Sure it does.

The only thing single payer does is cut out the middle man.

A private industry that employs millions of middle class TAX PAYING jobs.

Even current government ran healthcare behemoths medicare and medicaid outsource to other countries.

The biggest reason private health care works is because of one simple truth.

Hardly anyone using it, everyone paying for it.

Conversely with single payer/medicare/medicaid.

Everyone using it hardly anyone is paying for it.

NEW TAXES were created to offset the spending even after printing money/borrowing money/raising taxes has no real net effect.
edit on 27-4-2017 by neo96 because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 03:50 PM
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California will be unable to pay the bills for this. Hospitals will go bankrupt and close after all the doctors leave the State because they aren't getting paid.



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 03:58 PM
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a reply to: neo96

If you say so. The countrys in the world offering the best healthcare like France migh disagree.

But anyway its californias decision not yours and there path to tread.

If it doesnt work you can just say "I told you so".



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 04:05 PM
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a reply to: crazyewok

Trust me.

I'm the one that will be saying 'I told you so'.



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 04:06 PM
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a reply to: watchitburn

I think that alot of states are not going to be able to afford health care. It is too expensive. And it is getting nothing but more every MONTH.

This system we are in is designed to fail, huge gains, bubble, crash---huge gains, bubble, crash. Repeat. The bad thing is this isn't housing or cars or oil. It is literally life and death vs profits.



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 04:13 PM
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originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: whywhynot

I think no matter what we do we are on a collision course with a complete crash of our med system.

It is the most expensive and is somewhere around 30th for quality.


I agree. If CA really is silly enough to try single payer and it fails it sure would be a good test to point at. And, vise versa too.



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 04:23 PM
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a reply to: seasonal

You have to love the People's Republic of California.

One step closer to full blown Communism.

What a pit.



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 04:25 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
Go peoples republic of California!

Telling business what they can build.


Cognitive Dissonance at it's finest... the same ones who presume the right to dictate to individuals what they can and cannot build with their own private money are the ones who are quick to chant "you didn't build that" when one of those businesses manages to beat the odds and succeed in the vacuum of political logic that is the State,



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 04:25 PM
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a reply to: whywhynot

The only option I can see is no insurance. None.

This is the only way to truly let the market do something that almost every other industrialized country has done. Keep prices affordable.

Some will yell they won't be able to afford care, guess what. You can't afford the monthly payments, deductibles and copays. So what is the difference?



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 04:27 PM
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originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: burdman30ott6

I have a little secret, it is all going to crash. This system is not viable. Do you think it is?


Hell no their system isn't viable. That's why I'm advocating the federal government shield the rest of the country from this nonsense. When (not if) California crashes and burns, they need to own it all and be 100% rejected when they come crawling to the rest of the country begging for a bailout. At this point states like California are cancer and the nation needs to adopt a policy of being fully ready and willing to have that cancer surgically removed from the rest of the body before it metastasizes and kills us all.



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 04:32 PM
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I hope their financial analysis includes the cost of providing healthcare for the millions of working poor and bums who will move to California for the free healthcare.

take a look at Detroit that`s the road California is heading down, never ending tax increases to pay for all that free healthcare will drive working people and companies out of California.

The entire state is going to end up being full of gangs,drug dealers and other assorted riff raff, just like Detroit is.



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 04:36 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

The dirty little secret is very few are going to be able to afford health care and a home in a couple years. The problem is not that cali is changing. The problem is cost, and no competition, and this is by design.

We have very few moves to do until it all tumbles. And that means single payer or private.


You do know that health insurance is private socialism right? Everyone pays in and the private insurance co doles out the $$$$.



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 04:39 PM
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a reply to: Tardacus

The cost of health care right now is making many companies drop coverage and throw their employees to the ACA. The ACA is crashing as we speak.

The only way out of this is to outlaw insurance. This of course will never happen. But what will happen is we will all watch this not so slow motion crash, we are living it right now.



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 05:09 PM
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a reply to: neo96

You will be able to say I told you so about the whole system. Or do you believe this system is going to last?



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 05:11 PM
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originally posted by: seasonal
You do know that health insurance is private socialism right? Everyone pays in and the private insurance co doles out the $$$$.


Yeah, I get that. I also get that it is a part of the reason costs are through the roof, right behind subsidized and welfare health coverage which allowed providers to charge more and more and forced those not qualifying for any handouts to seek other funding methods: enter insurance. Personally, I'll be OK with watching the system collapse. Doctors and providers aren't going to magically vanish or close shop, especially if Congress ever wises up and passes litigation reform that limits provider exposure to frivolous lawsuits.



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 05:12 PM
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a reply to: seasonal

No.

California already has major financial issues.

This will be literally the straw that breaks the camels back.

And since California goes to a single payer.

There is absolutely no need for medicare/medicaid/planned parenthood.

As they would be superfluous.

California has set them up to fail most gloriously.

Until they come begging someone else to bail them out.



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