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originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: kelbtalfenek
" Is the risk of world intervention worth the destabilization of a fairly stable (albeit cruel) dictatorship? "
YES . Tyranny Must be Confronted or it Will Eventually Cause Death and Destruction wherever it Arises . Kim Jong Un and his Regime Must be Controlled for the Sake of World Peace .
originally posted by: kelbtalfenek
a reply to: angeldoll
Agree with you there. I'm just not sure that he's doing anything more than rattling his sabers.
originally posted by: dfnj2015
originally posted by: angeldoll
Paranoid people can be quite dangerous when they think everybody is out to get them, as we see in this situation with NK.
I think Western leaders are projecting their own paranoia on Un which is more dangerous. Pre-emptively bombing someone for thought crimes is pretty paranoid.
originally posted by: Lysergic
a reply to: kelbtalfenek
It won't.
Why?
They have a lot invested in this ride.
live in fear if you wish.
originally posted by: kelbtalfenek
originally posted by: dfnj2015
originally posted by: angeldoll
Paranoid people can be quite dangerous when they think everybody is out to get them, as we see in this situation with NK.
I think Western leaders are projecting their own paranoia on Un which is more dangerous. Pre-emptively bombing someone for thought crimes is pretty paranoid.
That's why I found that article thought provoking. If the Western leaders can interpret Un's actions from a different motivation, perhaps cooler heads can prevail. War isn't the answer to every issue we have with others, be they nations, states, or individuals.
originally posted by: Lysergic
a reply to: kelbtalfenek
It won't.
Why?
They have a lot invested in this ride.
live in fear if you wish.
originally posted by: Aliensun
a reply to: kelbtalfenek
North Korea is a threat that has been allowed to exist
originally posted by: jjkenobi
originally posted by: kelbtalfenek
foriegnpolicy.com SOURCE
Kim Jong Un Is a Survivor, Not a Madman
While everyone, including myself, thinks that Kim Jong Un is a madman, I think this is an interesting look at him from a different light. Perhaps he does feel threatened by everyone, by his neighbors, by his people and by the United States (who has a very lengthy history of "intervening" in foriegn governments.)
[QUOTE]Everyone loves thinking of North Korea as crazy. It threatens to consume the United States in nuclear fire on a semi-weekly basis, its leader brutally executes his own generals and had his brother murdered, and it wastes huge amount of money on nuclear weapons while sticking to a failed economic model. Tales of North Korean lunacy are never far from the front pages.[/QUOTE]
I think it's important to know motivations of leaders, at least to venture a guess as to the "why" that they are pursuing any agenda. Whether it be for fame, for social betterment, or for regime survival. North Korea is obviously suspicious of South Korea. Un is obviously afraid of what will happen, and if the US calls his bluff he may be forced (provoked) into action...which could have disastrous consequences for him, his people, Asia and the world in general.
Is the risk of world intervention worth the destabilization of a fairly stable (albeit cruel) dictatorship? Is Un just rattling sabers to make a little noise? Personally I think that discretion and patience is probably worth it in the long run for the world. I only hope that our Twitter warrior in chief can exercise a little caution here...I don't want to see millions and possibly billions die in a quest to silence a dictator who is scared only of losing his regime.
None of that justifies the murders and imprisoning of his people that has occurred under him and his predecessors.
originally posted by: dfnj2015
originally posted by: Aliensun
a reply to: kelbtalfenek
North Korea is a threat that has been allowed to exist
Who made the USA the world police force for thought crimes? What exactly has Un done that makes him a threat? Failed weapon tests is pretty lame as far as I am concerned. If he invaded South Korean with a few million troops I would take him seriously. If he can't back his words with actions he's just a blowhard. Pre-emptively bombing another country for thought crimes seems to me to be a crime in itself.
originally posted by: Aliensun
a reply to: kelbtalfenek
You fail to understand the "diplomacy" factor in Trump trying a new tactic of being hard-nosed with Little Kim rather than Obama's limp style. North Korea is a threat that has been allowed to exist and now it is coming into being a world threat.
Part of Trump's persuasion seems to be to use our secret technology to cause his missiles to fail in testing. If he can come to realize that we can do that with his test missiles, then he will understand he stands no chance of nuking anybody without his missiles, armed with nuclear bombs, failing there on the launch pad. A do-it-yourself annihilation.
originally posted by: dfnj2015
originally posted by: kelbtalfenek
originally posted by: dfnj2015
originally posted by: angeldoll
Paranoid people can be quite dangerous when they think everybody is out to get them, as we see in this situation with NK.
I think Western leaders are projecting their own paranoia on Un which is more dangerous. Pre-emptively bombing someone for thought crimes is pretty paranoid.
That's why I found that article thought provoking. If the Western leaders can interpret Un's actions from a different motivation, perhaps cooler heads can prevail. War isn't the answer to every issue we have with others, be they nations, states, or individuals.
For so many Americans, war is always the only answer. When you have military mind conditioning you only think a certain way.
originally posted by: therealfreeworld
originally posted by: dfnj2015
originally posted by: kelbtalfenek
originally posted by: dfnj2015
originally posted by: angeldoll
Paranoid people can be quite dangerous when they think everybody is out to get them, as we see in this situation with NK.
I think Western leaders are projecting their own paranoia on Un which is more dangerous. Pre-emptively bombing someone for thought crimes is pretty paranoid.
That's why I found that article thought provoking. If the Western leaders can interpret Un's actions from a different motivation, perhaps cooler heads can prevail. War isn't the answer to every issue we have with others, be they nations, states, or individuals.
For so many Americans, war is always the only answer. When you have military mind conditioning you only think a certain way.
It is more a mental capacity thing. If you have an avarage iq you smart enough to talk things out. If you dumb and stupid and cant win a debate you choose the only alternative you small brain can muster. Kill kill kill
China and Russia will not allow a nuclear strike in North Korea. They have too much to loose. I bet my left nut on that
originally posted by: kelbtalfenek
a reply to: Lysergic
If things go nuclear, the possibility of fallout over China, and the rest of Asia makes it possible that billions could die.
originally posted by: dfnj2015
originally posted by: Aliensun
a reply to: kelbtalfenek
North Korea is a threat that has been allowed to exist
Who made the USA the world police force for thought crimes? What exactly has Un done that makes him a threat? Failed weapon tests is pretty lame as far as I am concerned. If he invaded South Korean with a few million troops I would take him seriously. If he can't back his words with actions he's just a blowhard. Pre-emptively bombing another country for thought crimes seems to me to be a crime in itself.
originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: kelbtalfenek
" Is the risk of world intervention worth the destabilization of a fairly stable (albeit cruel) dictatorship? "
YES . Tyranny Must be Confronted or it Will Eventually Cause Death and Destruction wherever it Arises . Kim Jong Un and his Regime Must be Controlled for the Sake of World Peace .