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Remembering the Polio Vaccine in times of funding cut in Science Research

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posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 07:16 PM
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The peace of God to all that belong to the Light,

Dear Readers

In a day like today April 26th of 1954 it was first time applied in trials the vaccine that erradicate one of the most horrible plagues of History:

Polio.

Polio cut tragicaly or damage in an almost unreparable way the lives of millions of Americans along many generations, being feared in the past as today could only be resembled by Aids or Cancer.

Please check
Polio vaccine trials begin

Unfortunately this anniversary arrives to us when the federal funding of national science foundation, as well as other official agencies that sponsor non profit research is being drastically cut to finance a gargantuan, useless and extremely costly project:

a wall with one of our friendly neighbors, one with which we have had a centenary great bilateral relationship: the United Mexican States.

Just few days ago, this same week, scientists and researchers of all around the country attended a March that promised to be as large as the one of women rights of few weeks ago, and as Historic as the civil rights one of Martin Luther King Jr of 1962.

please check:

Scientists feeling under seige

Scientists speak out on March of Science


The thread is a space of reflection for all of people that believe in the importance to promote research in Science for the public common interest.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness
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posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 07:21 PM
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a reply to: The angel of light



In few days scientists and researchers of all around the country will attend a March that promise to be as large as the one of women rights of few weeks ago, and as Historic as the civil rights one of Martin Luther King Jr of 1962.

Umm....Wasnt the 'science' march APRIL 22?? March For Science

I think you missed it.

ETA: LoL Nice edit, glad I quoted it first.

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posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 07:45 PM
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a reply to: stosh64

Although there is a lot of make up of supposed smartness in your quick reply, I am wondering if there is anything that paralyze intelligence as polio do with body?

I say that since your comments are pretty deep and well express a lot of what are your social concerns, well may be is just the excess of beer in your blood isn't it?

Even is if is not alcoholism what makes the job here it would be something in which it pays off to research,

why on these days insensateness seems to be the rule and not the exception? and
insensitiveness is a also a so much spread social plague?,

This is an interesting open problem.


If people like Edison had waited to make every - or Ben Franklin or some of those people had waited to solve every problem on Earth before they did their research or before they were curious about doing something new, we'd never have made a lot of the progress we have.
John Glenn


Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness
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posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 08:06 PM
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Let's see what happens before we claim the sky is falling. Ted Cruze introduced the "El Chapo" bill to use seized assets to fund the wall.

I would hazard a guess that these cuts include things like grants to test the effects of marijuana on chimps in heat. If that's the case I'm all for it. Cut the crap research out and let's get moving on real cures for real diseases.



posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 08:27 PM
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a reply to: Wardaddy454

Well, let me say that if that is that your opinion of what scientists are doing in their labs everyday, I can not blame you to think that a wall crossing one of the most desertic areas of the planet is really useful for something.

Real cures for real diseases? building with 15 billion dollars a housing for raccoons, Coyotes, Road runners and Gila monsters ?

Perhaps the bricks that it would contain should have more ability to develop ideas than the one you still have, with all respect.

By the way do you know the meaning of stupefacient?


stu·pe·fa·cient
ˌst(y)o͞opəˈfāSHənt/Submit
MEDICINE
adjective
1.
(chiefly of a drug) causing semiconsciousness.
noun
noun: stupefacient; plural noun: stupefacients
1.
a stupefacient drug.


I can understand your point, a society based on the "wisdom" that comes from pot only can be in permanent stupor, completely insensitive to the state of ignorance and its grave social consequences to retardate or cut at all the possibilities of progress for a nation in todays technology world.

The Angel of Lightness
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posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 10:42 PM
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originally posted by: The angel of light
The peace of God to all that belong to the Light,

Dear Readers

In a day like today April 26th of 1954 it was first time applied in trials the vaccine that erradicate one of the most horrible plagues of History:

Polio.

Polio cut tragicaly or damage in an almost unreparable way the lives of millions of Americans along many generations, being feared in the past as today could only be resembled by Aids or Cancer.

Please check
Polio vaccine trials begin

Unfortunately this anniversary arrives to us when the federal funding of national science foundation, as well as other official agencies that sponsor non profit research is being drastically cut to finance a gargantuan, useless and extremely costly project:

a wall with one of our friendly neighbors, one with which we have had a centenary great bilateral relationship: the United Mexican States.

Just few days ago, this same week, scientists and researchers of all around the country attended a March that promised to be as large as the one of women rights of few weeks ago, and as Historic as the civil rights one of Martin Luther King Jr of 1962.

please check:

Scientists feeling under seige

Scientists speak out on March of Science


The thread is a space of reflection for all of people that believe in the importance to promote research in Science for the public common interest.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness


Was Jonas Salk's research funded by the government? No. Why use this as a scare tactic? Both Salk and Sabin were privately funded. Not a very good example to use to encourage us to give more to the government so they can take a portion then pass a little of it on to science. Makes more sense to me to let people decide which science they feel is important and let them fund it. Roosevelt evidently felt the same way as he established what has now become the March of Dimes, a private organization. He didn't start a government "War on Polio" and demand that every taxpayer contribute.



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 01:22 AM
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a reply to: diggindirt

Well, that is look as a nice way to combine efforts to put the interests of the majority of the Americans in the pockets of the minority, isn't it?

Let's bury Obama care and at the same time kill the public research.

Please check:

Un warns International Law is violated if Obamacare is repealed

This is a very patriotic way of thinking, to transform the scientific community in the servants of the same people that as soon the great recession began moved all their capitals to China, Australia or New Zealand.

Those are very nice Americans, they really care of all of us.

By the way do you know who are the first ones that usually jump into the water when a ship is sinking?

Everybody knows that are the rats my friend, if you are unaware of that.

Funny that you mention Franklyn D. Roosevelt, when he pushed the country out of the Great depression that the Republican Neoconservatives created thanks to a strong public sector we don't have anymore due to people like Ronald Reagan.

Please check:

which strategy really ended the Great Depression


President H.S.Truman Address to create National Science Foundation, Centennial of AAAS meeting, 1948:

Our problem, therefore, is not a static one of preserving what we have. Our problem is to continue to engage in pure -- or fundamental -- research in all scientific fields. Such research alone leads to striking developments that mean leadership.

Yet it is precisely in this area that we, as a Na-tion, have been weakest. We have been strong in applied science and in technology, but in the past we have relied largely on Europe for basic knowledge.

Pure research is arduous, demanding, and difficult. It requires unusual intellectual powers. It requires extensive and specialized training. It requires intense concentration, possible only when all the faculties of the scientist are brought to bear on a problem, with no disturbances or distractions.

Some of the fundamental research necessary to our national interest is being undertaken by the Federal Government.

The Government has, I believe, two obligations in connection with this research if we are to obtain the results we hope for.

First, it must provide truly adequate funds and facilities; second, it must provide the working atmosphere in which research progress is possible.
....
The second obligation of the Federal Government in connection with basic research is to provide working conditions under which scientists will be encouraged to work for the Government. Scientists do not want to work in ivory towers, but they do want to work in an atmosphere free from suspicion, personal insult, or politically motivated attacks.


The Angel of Lightness


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posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 04:20 AM
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a reply to: The angel of light


I simply pointed out that the very thing you hold high as an achievement of science that has reduced suffering was NOT A PRODUCT of government spending but of the combining the wealth of several very rich white guys. I'm not sure what you're babbling on about at this point. Perhaps you could point to some similar scientific achievement in medicine that WAS government-funded?

What do Obamacare and the Great Depression have to do with funding for science? I'm confused.



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 07:50 AM
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It wasn't federal money that killed off polio. It was Rotary International and private funding by good people.

Its sad to me that we expect our government to fund all research. When that happens, the information becomes classified, or used in a carrot and stick approach with other companies.



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 08:41 AM
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The reason of your Confusion is because you have not yet correctly identified which private entrepreneurs represent genuinely the best public Interest.

The reason why public funding for research is relevant is because we can't depend of the possibility that the market always produce philanthropic minds to have solved issues of that affect the entire society.

Polio was erradicated because there was a national campaign to do so, the public health sector was a key factor to carry it out, the vaccine was distributed among the population not as a marketing operation.

The use of vaccines in general and so their massive production were product of the combined effort of public health sector with private initiatives of non profit organizations.


President Roosevelt, with the help of music and film stars who held charity balls and created publicity, raised money for research and founded the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis, later known as the March of Dimes. The foundation, thanks to the work of legions of volunteers and donors, funded most of the work of Jonas Salk, creator of the first polio vaccine. 


Please read

who sponsored Polio eradication?

The government so helped into have sponsored tbe vaccination, helping private laboratories but managed by the actual inventors.

That idea that the State is always a horrible monster that is looking to anhilate civilian fredom is a bizarre stereotype that does not correspond to a modern Democracy Luke ours but to countries ruled by tyrants or absolute monarchy.

In the same way that the action of the National Science Foundation today is to promote researchers work in many private Universities and institutes along the country.

Universities and Research Institutes are Non profit organizations, there is nothing sad or repressible into stimulate their social work with public funding.

The recipients of grants are private citizens, people whose work is sponsored certainly with public funding, because the public interest of their research, but their copyrights and patents remain theirs.


Scientists don't need to get rid of their Intellectual property to opportunistic entrepreneurs that have neither the talent nor the years of patient career or the vocation of service to deserve to have them.


The idea that public funding for research goes against private initiatives is quite false, what it does is to verify that who owes the intellectual property is who really worked it and that public Interest scientific developments remain accessible to millions of consumers at affordable prices.


Thanks

The Angel of Lightness
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posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 09:02 AM
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a reply to: The angel of light

You mean polio in the west, and not the rest of the world?

Because it was Rotary International going into the ghettos of India working with and begging the young mothers to vaccinate. It took years and years of sweat, building relationships and earning trust among people that had learned to distrust under British colonial rule.

It was a very long, hard road to get where we are today, and Rotary International was the driving force behind it.



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 09:03 AM
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BUT IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And so is the wall!!!!




posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 09:19 AM
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a reply to: mikell

Absolutely false!

This is not the best forum for people posting while drinking by the way!

The useless wall is for the private interests of the construction entrepreneurs that sponsored certain political campaign, the only few children that will get benefit of it are the ones of them.

How about all the other millions of children and people in general that are getting social benefit of the research activity of the Universities along the entire country?

There are dozens of millions of Americans without higher education, without decent homes, or acess to health centers or schools and the government is asking authorization to waste 15 billions in a wall to replace an already existing border system?

In times also NASA is without budget? Also in which we don't have yet found a cure for cancer, Alzheimer, Parkinson, Aids, and Autism is a major social concerns?

We can't tolerate that the taxes paid by all go entirely to finance a monstrous selfish project that it is not a priority among the urgent national needs to solve real social problems.

There is already a system of fences built along decades and a very efficient border patrol that is doing the needed surveillance job with remarkable efficiency.

The entire idea of the wall is an Insult against the professional work of Homeland and Security department, is based on a so much negative evaluation of their results.

America can't be set back in Science and Technology in general to satisfy caprices that do not respond to the best national interest but to political demagogy, populism and antiLatin racist rhetoric.


The Angel of Lightness

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posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 11:33 AM
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Devils advocate:

If we don't find ways to artificially slow scientific progress, we risk the lives of every creature on this planet. Especially when it comes to building Strong AI.

There are many who believe the only hedge we can have against Strong AI dominating us is to become more than human ourselves. The problem with this: reverse engineering the brain is at least 50 years away just to do basic functions. Full reverse engineering could be 200 years or more (there are billions of neuroreceptors to trace and decode, and we aren't really even able to trace or decode any yet, beyond basic inferrence). Meanwhile, Strong AI is likely to happen within 30 years. That leaves a 20 year gap (eternity in terms of electronic learning) where we are at enormous risk. The only 2 answers: slow down computing technology, or speed up biotechnology and bring the singularity about sooner.

Its entirely possible that people at the higher levels of human planning and direction (i.e., "the illuminati", "NWO", "boogeyman", etc) realize this, and work to slow down progress to try to keep a level playing field. But the chilling realization is that never in the history of our planet has a smarter being been present that didn't enslave the rest of the planet. And since Strong AI would be our creation, there is no reason to believe it may not have some of the same proclivities.



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 07:05 PM
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originally posted by: diggindirt
a reply to: The angel of light


I s Perhaps you could point to some similar scientific achievement in medicine that WAS government-funded?






More than 80 Nobel Prizes have been given for research sponsored by the National Institutes of Health. The discovery of the benefits of hypothermia to open heart surgery was a NIH sponsored project. The first tests of radiation treatment for cancer was an early NIH program. James Watson, who along with Crick and Wilkins and Franklin, discovered the structure of DNA was funded by the NIH. The NIH established the Human Genome Project.
And then there is the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) which in the last few years trained more than 2600 new epidimiologists. It identified the H1N1 virus and tested the safety of the vaccine.



posted on Apr, 28 2017 @ 01:14 AM
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originally posted by: The angel of light
a reply to: Wardaddy454

Well, let me say that if that is that your opinion of what scientists are doing in their labs everyday, I can not blame you to think that a wall crossing one of the most desertic areas of the planet is really useful for something.

Real cures for real diseases? building with 15 billion dollars a housing for raccoons, Coyotes, Road runners and Gila monsters ?

Perhaps the bricks that it would contain should have more ability to develop ideas than the one you still have, with all respect.

By the way do you know the meaning of stupefacient?


stu·pe·fa·cient
ˌst(y)o͞opəˈfāSHənt/Submit
MEDICINE
adjective
1.
(chiefly of a drug) causing semiconsciousness.
noun
noun: stupefacient; plural noun: stupefacients
1.
a stupefacient drug.


I can understand your point, a society based on the "wisdom" that comes from pot only can be in permanent stupor, completely insensitive to the state of ignorance and its grave social consequences to retardate or cut at all the possibilities of progress for a nation in todays technology world.

The Angel of Lightness


....Yeah, you need to lay off the drugs or something. I can never follow you because its all jumbled together.

My point was, does it really matter what pot does to that chimp? We don't need to test it in that way if the science is "settled" on pot. Put the money towards other research.



posted on Apr, 28 2017 @ 09:54 AM
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a reply to: Wardaddy454

The example you are pointing to reflects more state of ignorance with respect to what NSF do than anything else.

The research sponsored by National Science Foundation refers not only to many different crucial areas in sciences, but also in developing the necessary foundations of new technologies that impact many different fields of Engineering.

Please check

National Science Foundation

You can enter in their page to see the great diversity of areas they are funding. That should help you to weight more properly the negative impact into cut their budget for the future of America.

Now, the useless wall that supposedly Mexico was going to pay will be in fact financed by taking away money from the NSF, among other agencies that promote social welfare, that was never said to the voters in November, if so possibly we should be dealing with other government right now instead.

The Angel of Lightness
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posted on Apr, 28 2017 @ 04:40 PM
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originally posted by: The angel of light
a reply to: Wardaddy454

The example you are pointing to reflects more state of ignorance with respect to what NSF do than anything else.

The research sponsored by National Science Foundation refers not only to many different crucial areas in sciences, but also in developing the necessary foundations of new technologies that impact many different fields of Engineering.

Please check

National Science Foundation

You can enter in their page to see the great diversity of areas they are funding. That should help you to weight more properly the negative impact into cut their budget for the future of America.

Now, the useless wall that supposedly Mexico was going to pay will be in fact financed by taking away money from the NSF, among other agencies that promote social welfare, that was never said to the voters in November, if so possibly we should be dealing with other government right now instead.

The Angel of Lightness



I find it amusing that you bring up ignorance and fail to realize how fallacious this entire thread is. None of the things you fear have actually come to pass yet, its all still in proposal stage according to your own sources.

Secondly, www.nsf.gov.... From your own link.This is an example of wasteful spending. We don't need a team of researchers to tell us that children and young teens are bad at decision making.

I'm sure if I delve deeper into their website I can find more examples. I'm not arguing against science. I'm argueing against wasteful science.



posted on Apr, 28 2017 @ 07:52 PM
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a reply to: Wardaddy454

Dear Wardaddy454

The simple fact that somebody dare to propose such kind of cuts in strategic areas of the role that the state has on the intellectual life and social life of a nation is not just only terribly wrong, it is even not only irresponsible but immoral, or perhaps it would be better to say insensate.

Science of today it is the foundation of technology of tomorrow, and that will determine not only how we are going to live decades ahead, but our children will do so, it opens the pathways of progress, if it is present, or closes it if is abscent.

We are using the Internet, an invention that was originally developed just for scientific research. In late 1980s or early 1990s it was exclusively used by research institutes and Universities, today is the spinal cord of the global economy, this gives you an idea of what I am talking about.

These proposals, as you happily mentioned them, show a level of competence and knowledge of how to project the future of a country, as well as, how to weight social and economic consequences in the long run, that should worry us, this makes us to ask about what development plan is the one that it is trying to be implemented here?, well if there exists really one seriously thought in behind.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness
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posted on Apr, 29 2017 @ 01:11 PM
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originally posted by: The angel of light
a reply to: Wardaddy454

Dear Wardaddy454

The simple fact that somebody dare to propose such kind of cuts in strategic areas of the role that the state has on the intellectual life and social life of a nation is not just only terribly wrong, it is even not only irresponsible but immoral, or perhaps it would be better to say insensate.

Science of today it is the foundation of technology of tomorrow, and that will determine not only how we are going to live decades ahead, but our children will do so, it opens the pathways of progress, if it is present, or closes it if is abscent.

We are using the Internet, an invention that was originally developed just for scientific research. In late 1980s or early 1990s it was exclusively used by research institutes and Universities, today is the spinal cord of the global economy, this gives you an idea of what I am talking about.

These proposals, as you happily mentioned them, show a level of competence and knowledge of how to project the future of a country, as well as, how to weight social and economic consequences in the long run, that should worry us, this makes us to ask about what development plan is the one that it is trying to be implemented here?, well if there exists really one seriously thought in behind.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness



Someone dare? Sorry but that's how government works. Tie science to government and watch science take a turn for the worse.

Also, the internet was developed by the US Military and was called the Intra-net, Unless you believe it when Al Gore says he invented it.

You should take a step back, and consider where science is heading and how you'll reconcile your spirituality with where science takes us. I bet you haven't yet.



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