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What would you consider resonable gun control?

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posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 06:12 PM
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So what would you consider to be reasonable in terms of gun control?

We have two extremes that seem to be duking it out. Group A wants to ban everything and Group B wants a strict 2nd amendment interpretation (I need that M61 Vulcan to hunt).

What would be an acceptable middle ground? Remembering that in any good negotiation no side side is 100% happy:

1) Require basic education (like an NRA safety class) for all gun owners.
2) Gun ownership would now be like a drivers license. Periodic registration to make sure you are still entitled to own and carry and you must show proof a safety education refresher each renewal period)
3) Mental illness, felony convictions, No fly list, etc will resort in a loss of gun ownership
4) Individual states would decide suppressor and CCW laws
5) Guns can only be sold/traded through a FFL trader and no straw sales
6) 10 day waiting period on all firearms to ensure a complete background check.
7) Maintain the ban on fully automatic weapons

I think this represents a pretty good balance.

Thoughts?



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posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 06:19 PM
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Less than 1inch grouping



posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 06:20 PM
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Anything that allows me fully automatic weapons.



posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 06:21 PM
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Just enforce the laws already on the books.



posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 06:21 PM
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originally posted by: whywhynot
Less than 1inch grouping


Depends on the range. 1" is pretty tight, op did say 'reasonable' so I'll go with 3-4" grouping of quick controlled pairs in 1.5 seconds at 10 yards. From holster.

But seriously, a minimum age to purchase and carry, and you're not a criminal, and you're not crazy. Beyond that is all kind of feel-good nanny statey, IMHumbleO.

edit on 26-4-2017 by tjack because: I added my actual opinion in order to not just be 'that guy' who wants be all jokey and stuff and never really contributes to the topic at hand. Not saying that other guy is one of those guys, just that I'm not.



posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 06:22 PM
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a reply to: FredT

The law that governs the land is very explicit in its wording.

Unless you seek further bending of all laws, based upon interpretation I would strongly suggest we take the letter of the law at its word.

Then again, there are those who are now seeking to suppress freedom of speech; because it only applied to "printing presses".

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."



posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 06:23 PM
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Hitting your target.



posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 06:23 PM
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Delete 2,6,and 7. I think anything the military uses should be available to the public as per the 2nd amendment.



posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 06:23 PM
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An immediate repeal of all current gun laws.


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posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 06:24 PM
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Any gun control is inherently unconstitutional and therefore unreasonable.


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posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 06:25 PM
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a reply to: FredT

1) Over the top and costly for no reason. What happened to good fathers teaching their sons the rules of firearms and their use? My grandfather and father taught me, it's that simple and was free. Sounds like a way to make money to me.

2) The only license you need is the one given by your creator that you may keep and bear arms for your and your countryman's defense. 2nd amendment doesn't give you the right, it just states what the right is. People need to stop thinking the gov't or the Constitution are where their powers are derived, they are inherit at birth.

3) I personally think in the day and age where the government has made many things that used to be a misdemeanor into felonies this should be looked at. The only felonies that should bar gun ownership are murder, robbery, sexual assault and rape. Non-violent felonies should have gun rights restored after paying their debt to society. Mental illness is one that I have a hard time with. Obviously there are crazies, but technically if you officially get placed into a mental facility and are committed there for things such as depression, gun ownership is not legal per 18 USC. In my opinion the reason you have so many depressed people is because the gov't has made this country a miserable festering place to live. Lack of morals where they should be and self-righteousness to the point of hypocrisy where they shouldn't.

4) Individual states don't have the right to decide that, we have the right to purchase the most contemporary arms of our time, whether you like it or not. All of these things are already regulated to the hilt through the ATF and state law. Enough is enough.

5) People should be free to sell and purchase firearms through private transactions and through a FFL and dealer. The government has no right to regulate commerce in this area. We shall and should be free to purchase guns as long as they are not used in a crime.

6) The 3 day waiting period is enough! It already infringes on your right, that's why if they don't have it done in that time, you receive the firearm. It's already a breach, they can't breach it any further without it being considered unreasonable. A 10 day waiting period does nothing, except deprive rights.

7) Fully automatic weapons on some level I can concede, however the public should be (and truly does on the real level as laws are nothing but mental constraint by men.) allowed to reserve the right to convert lower receivers in times of national emergency or duress including invasion by hostile forces. Don't neuter yourself, you responsibly limit yourself until the call comes, if ever it should happen.

At the end of the day when it comes to firearms we MUST get away from the notion that laws will solve our ills and start looking inward to ourselves, as we have shed so much moral from our society that some within are driven to do horrendous things. Only when America lost her homogeneity did we start to experience things like mass shootings with the spread of globalism and progressive socialism, the self centered attitudes that end up devaluing life. Good men will respect life, we don't give ourselves enough credit. The government cannot protect us, only we can. It is folly to think otherwise. It starts with our children, raise them right and show them right from wrong and things like murder will become less common. You can never remove human nature to sin though and people will be murdered until the end of time, so protect yourself.
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posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 06:27 PM
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a reply to: FredT

Education, not just for owners, but for everyone. How they work, what they can do, how to safely handle one. Also, the difference between a clip and a magazine!

I don't have a single issue with a "gun license." Once caveat however is that that license covers everything from shotguns, rifles and handguns. A secondary option or an endorsement etc for silencers and concealed carry.

That puts them about even with cars and the right to travel freely. For reference, none of these stipulations are put on speech or press, just food for thought.



posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 06:27 PM
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a reply to: FredT

What would you consider resonable gun control?

Using two hands.



posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 06:27 PM
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Laws against felons owning guns only serve to help real criminals win and honest felons who want to change, have better lives and to protect their families lose.



posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 06:27 PM
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a reply to: tjack

I get 2 inch groupings at 20 ft., in under 1.5 from an IWB holster.

No More New Gun Laws.

You guys have "reasonable gun control" us to the point we have to promise our first born already and how about we just enforce what's already on the books? Background checks don't take 10 days and there are waiting periods for handguns in many states.
Why do people keep pushing this "reasonable" sh**? If you had to go through half of what we do, to drive a car, many of you would be walking or taking a bus.
edit on 26-4-2017 by DAVID64 because: clean up



posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 06:29 PM
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a reply to: av8r007

Excellent post! Well said, and I agree!



posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 06:33 PM
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a reply to: JinMI

Indeed, press and speech seem to do more harm then people truly realize.

Should we start demanding regulations on media in return?

Hmm, slippery slope, concede 2A, and then it will spread to 1A, and then we are doomed.



posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 06:33 PM
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Number two needs to be canceled on your list. That brings Opinion of the issuer into effect, One person who is overseeing that in a county who dislikes guns in that job can stop everyone from being able to own one.

And 5 means we cannot sell our guns if we want, we would have to pay someone to transfer them to friends and relatives. No deal there. If I want to give my guns to my kids, I do not need to be paying someone to handle the transaction. I am against that.

6 is crazy, if I want to buy a shotgun from a friend or a deer rifle for my grandkids, I should be able to buy that. I am for blocking sales of big magazines but that is different. I do not mind a waiting period for buying a handgun though.

7 I think they should keep fully automatic guns banned. I think they could limit clip size too, what is wrong with carrying three or four clips, nothing. Fancy Military style assault rifle types are not needed, they can make a guy feel like a big man and actually can increase bad events. There is no need to be intimidating people in your town by flaunting guns like that.

No, your balance is not good, remember that these are all susceptible to interpretation by local and police officials. These rules could be twisted to take away people's rights to own a gun even if they are law abiding individuals and no harm to anyone.

I would probably be on the case of the instructor for being careless with his gun safety. I would probably be denied because I am overly cautious with guns and have no problem telling people to watch it. I have had friends get hurt by carelessness by someone being wreckless with a gun.
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posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 06:33 PM
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Both hands.



posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 06:43 PM
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originally posted by: Cygnis
a reply to: JinMI

Indeed, press and speech seem to do more harm then people truly realize.

Should we start demanding regulations on media in return?

Hmm, slippery slope, concede 2A, and then it will spread to 1A, and then we are doomed.


A gun and more so a car/truck can cause immediate death, so I thought using "accepted" vehicle regulations would be more on par.

My opinion is that rights and freedoms should not be infringed period. However, that is just not the world we live in. Acknowledging that, there can be a measure of compromise.



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