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originally posted by: DBCowboy
originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: DBCowboy
38 pages in, and i think I've seen ONE person say that.
That means there are about 37 pages of face palm.
So many trying to weasel out of defending someone's speech that they ideologically despise.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: knowledgehunter0986
To be honest, when I created this thread, I thought most people would say, "Yeah, I hate her but she has a right to speak" and be done with it. And some did.
Didn't realize how many would fight so much for censorship.
There is still no reason to lose faith in the left; The ACLU, Bill Maher and even the socialist Bernie Sanders supported her right publicly.
To you MLK is as responsible as the racists that attacked him for the violence. His refusal to back down from them lead to violence.
Your thoughts on this are very disturbing.
I think you're actually right. He does seem to want this to happen. He kept ignoring our posts and accuse us of cheering them on, trying to make it fit his worldview and in turn make it happen. Like how the right-wing media does.
originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: Grambler
To you MLK is as responsible as the racists that attacked him for the violence. His refusal to back down from them lead to violence.
Your thoughts on this are very disturbing.
Do you think honestly believe MLK was upset because he wasn't going to get a speaking fee or a stage? Are you saying that Ann Coulter is as brave as he was, and her cause is as noble?
You trivialize Dr. King and all he stood for with this garbage. Worse - you're willing to do this in order to win an argument
To me, my opinion of the speaker or what they want to say does not change my defense of their ability to speak without having to change their venue, time or have monetary and other restrictions placed on them.
I am sorry you disagree.
originally posted by: Grambler
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: knowledgehunter0986
To be honest, when I created this thread, I thought most people would say, "Yeah, I hate her but she has a right to speak" and be done with it. And some did.
Didn't realize how many would fight so much for censorship.
There is still no reason to lose faith in the left; The ACLU, Bill Maher and even the socialist Bernie Sanders supported her right publicly.
Absolutely!
While most of this censorship is coming from people on the left, by no means do the speak for everyone on the left. Its important to point this out and show many on the left are disgusted by this.
Of course that doesn't sto[ some resident ATSers on the left here from saying this is no big deal.
The protestors have a right to protest. This is also freedom of speech
originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Grambler
I haven't seen anyone here say that someone has the right to be violent in these situations.
I don't get why Berkely is so horrible for wanting to change the time when the crowd will be easier to control. You think they should allow it to happen when the crowd will be much harder to control? That sounds like you are sort of in favor of the violence that's bound to happen.
The protestors have a right to protest. This is also freedom of speech
originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: Grambler
To me, my opinion of the speaker or what they want to say does not change my defense of their ability to speak without having to change their venue, time or have monetary and other restrictions placed on them.
I am sorry you disagree.
I don't disagree. You are being dishonest. Again. I always thought you were better than this
Violence changes everything about this situation. I'm sorry that you can't see this
originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Grambler
I haven't seen anyone here say that someone has the right to be violent in these situations.
I don't get why Berkely is so horrible for wanting to change the time when the crowd will be easier to control. You think they should allow it to happen when the crowd will be much harder to control? That sounds like you are sort of in favor of the violence that's bound to happen.
originally posted by: ImmortalLegend527
a reply to: DBCowboy
Good for Berkeley, it would have been embarrassing to have that kind of person and what she stands for, tarnish such a prestige school.Score a point for the good side.