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Congratulations! Ann Coulter finally silenced on Berkeley Campus

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posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 05:26 PM
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originally posted by: IAMTAT
What happened to letting people of different political opinions speak on campus...with those wanting to hear the speaker being allowed to attend...and those not interested in hearing the speaker simply not attending.

Isn't that how it is supposed to be?


Not enough people who will defend speech any more.




posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 05:27 PM
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originally posted by: Spiramirabilis

No - I'm surprised this is so difficult for you to understand. I think it must mean you don't want to understand

Ms. Coulter was never going to be beaten. We both know that

And no - I don't think she should have put herself in that position

I think she should have bowed out of this one, accepted better arrangements that put fewer people at risk - and given her very special, inspirational speech to anyone that was interested in hearing it


Sure she wouldn't have!

And Gavin McCinnes when he spoke at a New York University would have been attacked. Oh wait he was. And Charles Murray wouldn't have been attacked. Oh wait he was.

How do you know what would have happened? I don't know any more than you, but I am guessing if one of these Antifa types would have had a chance to attack her, they probably would have. After all, we have seen them beat innocent women for just wanting to hear conservative speakers.

So what makes you so sure she wouldn't have been attacked?

And again, you think she should have caved in to the threats. So you would have also told civil rights leaders that they should have caved in to threats and spoke at times and places that were more acceptable to the racists opposed to them.




I'm not the one that's spinning things. You do imply that I'm a bad person. I believe this is what you enjoy doing most of all. So, at least be honest about it

Capitulated? This situation is out of control. Perhaps you believe she should have spoken while there were riots in the street, and people were being killed

that would have been very righteous and very brave of her

:-)


No I think we should arrests the rioters and not give in to them, like at the Milo speech at Berkely.

You are suggesting that we should cave in to this violence, and only speak at times and places that they allow the rest of us to.



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 05:27 PM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

Actually.

I didn't commit either way.




posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 05:27 PM
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a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

Nobody is turning a blind eye to this. As you have stated nobody is defending this.



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 05:28 PM
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originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: Grambler


Mark my words, people will die over this, and it breaks my heart that even members on ATS are cheering for (or making arguments that will lead to) this conflict to escalate.

They probably will, but you're not interested in deescalating anything. You've already said as much:

No I wouldn't have!!!

I will not let terrorists tell me where and when I can speak!

You're more about escalating. Pride and ego are one thing, but nobody wins in this situation by grandstanding


There is an easy solution to this: Let people of differing points of view give their speeches.

It's not like anyone was forced to attend.

By making threats to riot and commit violence over every little thought they don't like, ANTIFA and the protesters who harbor them are the ones doing the escalating.



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 05:28 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

38 pages in, and i think I've seen ONE person say that.

That means there are about 37 pages of face palm.



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 05:28 PM
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a reply to: neo96

Watch the video. Do you see her holding anything in her hand?



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 05:29 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy




Not enough people who will defend speech any more.

Especially not you. You've never once been able to demonstrate that you even understand what it really is

You cheapen the entire concept by accusing everyone who doesn't think like you of being against freedom of speech



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 05:29 PM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

Nobody is turning a blind eye to this. As you have stated nobody is defending this.



So you agree with me that this is a violation of Coulters rights to free speech?

Waiting. . . .



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 05:30 PM
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a reply to: neo96

Actually.

Who knows...




posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 05:30 PM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: Grambler

Who are cheering for this here? I swear you guys are seeing things are not there.


Maybe cheering for is not the right phrase, though there are many in academia and the media that are.

But many on here are suggesting that Coulter and other conservative speakers should capitulate to threats and only speak at approved at locations and times at great expense to themselves.

And I have seen some on this thread say on the Milo Berkely thread that the riots and beatings are the right of these violent people.



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 05:31 PM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien

Heres a video you should watch.




posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 05:31 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: knowledgehunter0986

To be honest, when I created this thread, I thought most people would say, "Yeah, I hate her but she has a right to speak" and be done with it. And some did.

Didn't realize how many would fight so much for censorship.


There is still no reason to lose faith in the left; The ACLU, Bill Maher and even the socialist Bernie Sanders supported her right publicly.
edit on 27-4-2017 by LesMisanthrope because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 05:32 PM
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originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: DBCowboy

38 pages in, and i think I've seen ONE person say that.

That means there are about 37 pages of face palm.


So many trying to weasel out of defending someone's speech that they ideologically despise.



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 05:33 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko




There is an easy solution to this: Let people of differing points of view give their speeches.

Agreed. We've never disagreed on this


By making threats to riot and commit violence over every little thought they don't like, ANTIFA and the protesters who harbor them are the ones doing the escalating.

The protestors have a right to protest. This is also freedom of speech

Violence is the problem - and, it's coming from both sides. Not just the left. If we're going to fight against this sort of thing, we're going to have to be a united front. That means you and me working together for a common cause

And it means being honest with each other



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 05:33 PM
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a reply to: neo96

Ok? What does that have to do with that Antifa girl with the bottle in her hand?



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 05:33 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko



There is an easy solution to this: Let people of differing points of view give their speeches.


It really is that simple.. I think the sad part about all of this, is the brainwashed protesters actually believe they have good intentions and are performing a noble cause.



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 05:34 PM
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originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: Grambler


Mark my words, people will die over this, and it breaks my heart that even members on ATS are cheering for (or making arguments that will lead to) this conflict to escalate.

They probably will, but you're not interested in deescalating anything. You've already said as much:

No I wouldn't have!!!

I will not let terrorists tell me where and when I can speak!

You're more about escalating. Pride and ego are one thing, but nobody wins in this situation by grandstanding


Ah, so now your thoughts are more clear.

I am escalating by not giving in to people threatening me.

So again, you blame all of the civil rights leaders for all of the violence that occurred as a result of them speaking. They should have said "Yes master, we will speak when you allow us! Please don't beat us for wanting to speak and wanting equality!"

To you MLK is as responsible as the racists that attacked him for the violence. His refusal to back down from them lead to violence.

Your thoughts on this are very disturbing.



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 05:34 PM
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All right, quick thought experiment.

This forum allows people of differing points of view to converse and debate rather openly and frankly with one another on many subjects that can be controversial and somewhat inflammatory. The staff here do a pretty good job of keeping the powder from going off so we can achieve this.

But ...

How many of you, if you could, would simply drop the ban hammer (I'm not talking about a personal block, but full forum ban) on someone else just because they differ so strongly from your own preferred point of view?

And how many of you would do so and justify it by saying you weren't preventing them from speaking at all? You were just setting rules on where they could speak.



posted on Apr, 27 2017 @ 05:35 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

The way I see with their argument is that it's for the students' safety. I would want security myself and you would agree.



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