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Who knew Trump would go after Canada?

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posted on Apr, 25 2017 @ 04:40 PM
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originally posted by: KEACHI
a reply to: buster2010

You're wrong. Canada has been #ing us on this for decades. Bush and Obama both agreed and tried to get it to stop and get a settlement. Trump is just doing his job, and doing it much better than his predecessors.


What? Over Cheese and soft lumber?

First off, Canada has way less slack laws over our cheese, the US is so up tight over it's cheese, no - one wants to buy their inferior product. And secondly, our lumber industry is far more established than what ever there is in the states. Trump is just picking a fight to gain more jobs to add to his list of 'people he employed under his rule'. Once he's gone and out, it'll just go back to the way it was.
NAFTA shows and weeds out the BS, poorly run company's and poorly run government programs. Sorry Canada did it better.
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posted on Apr, 25 2017 @ 04:48 PM
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Awesome.

First thread I've ever read here with Canadians and Americans at each other, and in the mud pit no less.

You know what?
When the Free Trade Agreement led to most of our factories closing down and massive unemployment, us Canadians never started hating on Americans.

Most of us saw clearly that our own government had screwed us over.
Personally I'm not impressed with TnT (Trump n Trudeau) and don't believe that either of them have our best interests in mind.
jacy



posted on Apr, 25 2017 @ 05:29 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
Yeah because nothing screams fair trade like the Canadian government subsidizing Canadian lumber so that its producers can undercut the American producers who produce the same thing. And then they export that artificially cheap lumber into America.

Had you even bothered to read the article which you didn't you would have seen that was proven false. Any other propaganda you want to spread for the rest of the knuckledraggers?



posted on Apr, 25 2017 @ 05:42 PM
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a reply to: grainofsand

In 2006 the SLA(Softwood Lumber Agreement) between Canada and US saw 5 Billion in duties refunded to Canada. This agreement expired in Oct. 2015. In other softwood disputes international bodies like the WTO generally rule in Canads favor.


Canada proposes a solution similar to the 1996 deal: duty-free import for the bulk of the softwood and progressive taxation above a certain threshold.

Canada is not looking for free trade here, just fair trad.



posted on Apr, 25 2017 @ 05:50 PM
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a reply to: buster2010

And if derpwads like you would bother to do some research rather than blindly accepting the word of CNN ( snicker snicker) you would know that article is misleading. It says the WTO sided with Canada, but fails to mention why. Canada has never disputed the fact that the industry is not, at least in part, subsidized. Their dispute has always been that the goods are used by a wide variety of industries in the US, therefore a specific tariff is unfair. That is what the WTO ruled upon. CNN failed to mention that. More fake news



posted on Apr, 25 2017 @ 06:12 PM
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a reply to: buster2010

I read this one earlier in the day. Other governments distort the market and we end up competing with them, not their industries and it has cost us industries and jobs along with them.


Now, I don’t know if having the President suddenly unleash a hefty tariff on the Canadian lumber market will wind up being the best solution, but let’s not turn a blind eye to the very real underlying problem which is prompting this. If the estimates from the Commerce Department are accurate, Canada is currently subsidizing the sales of more than a half dozen different Canadian lumber companies at rates of anywhere from 12 to 24 percent. As soon as they start doing that, their companies are able to begin selling their products at rates which are significantly below the break even, profitability point without suffering the consequences of doing so which would afflict any company attempting it in a true free market scenario. That means they can undercut American lumber companies, costing us business and jobs.

That may sound like “free trade” to you, but it’s hardly anything approaching a fair deal from a nation which is ostensibly our reliable ally and trading partner. We run into the same thing in other friendly nations like France, where they massively subsidize their steel industry. It’s tricks like these from governments with no core beliefs in the free market which have hollowed out American manufacturing, textiles and raw materials development for decades.



posted on Apr, 25 2017 @ 06:47 PM
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a reply to: KEACHI

America has tried this five times since the 80's and has lost every time. They have appealed their case all the way to WTO and have never won. Ever.

Contractors and consumers paying more are the only ones in America getting ##'d by these tariffs.



posted on Apr, 25 2017 @ 06:52 PM
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a reply to: Syphon

Exactly, thats what no one gets..this issue been resolved numerous times only to have the U.S. not accept rulings they participated in.



posted on Apr, 25 2017 @ 07:01 PM
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a reply to: buster2010

I do not Think the People in P.A. and Wisc . Feel the same way you do . Canada's Protectionist Trade Policies have Created an Unfair Trade Imbalance with the U.S. since NAFA was Approved by then President Bill Clinton . President Trump is Looking Out for American Businesses here . Remember his Rally Cry ? America First !



posted on Apr, 25 2017 @ 08:02 PM
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Canada's leader is a cuck, they're getting exactly what they voted for. Maybe after 8 years they'll finally figure it out like America did.



posted on Apr, 25 2017 @ 08:23 PM
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You can't trust America these days, it is too corrupt to even be the law. If they aren't going to end their own gang wars, don't bother even trying to other countries. The only countries kept America inc heck is Russo-China, without them. Each and every nation will be picked apart like South American countries. Canada is seen too peaceful right now for the elite. America is trying to influence hard and turn it into an even more corrupt place than it should be.
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posted on Apr, 25 2017 @ 08:32 PM
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The U.S. has a massive trade deficit with Canada, $11 billion annually. Why can't the Canadians play nice and let us have our fair share? Seems like Canadians have no problem taking advantage of the US, but when the US actually stands up for itself Canadians piss and moan.



posted on Apr, 25 2017 @ 08:35 PM
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a reply to: nightbringr

You can keep all the lumber or anything else you export to the US, albeit the syrup, keep that syrup coming please.......

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posted on Apr, 25 2017 @ 08:53 PM
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originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
The U.S. has a massive trade deficit with Canada, $11 billion annually. Why can't the Canadians play nice and let us have our fair share? Seems like Canadians have no problem taking advantage of the US, but when the US actually stands up for itself Canadians piss and moan.

Most of the Canadian trade deficit is due to crude oil imports from Canada.
The USA refines that crude oil and sells it abroad for a profit.


China -- $579 billion traded with a $347 billion deficit.
Canada -- $545 billion traded with a $11 billion deficit.
Mexico -- $525 billion traded with a $63 billion deficit.
Japan -- $196 billion traded with a $69 billion deficit.
Germany -- $164 billion traded with a $65 billion deficit.


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posted on Apr, 25 2017 @ 09:09 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

That lumber can't be reproduced here. Canada's short growing season makes these trees much stronger then what grows in the US.



posted on Apr, 25 2017 @ 09:13 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
Yeah because nothing screams fair trade like the Canadian government subsidizing Canadian lumber so that its producers can undercut the American producers who produce the same thing. And then they export that artificially cheap lumber into America.


The US producers are not producing the same thing as Canada. Canadian softwood is much more structurally sound then what can be produced in the US because of the short summers in Canada.



posted on Apr, 25 2017 @ 10:00 PM
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originally posted by: xstealth
a reply to: buster2010

Well Canada has a weak leader.

Just like America had the last 8 years, we saw how other countries took advantage of that fact.

I'm fine with taking advantage of a weak Canadian leader to gain an advantage.

Trump is doing exactly what he was elected to do.



I'm Canadian, I agree with this. Trump was put in power to bring jobs back to the US and make trade deals more equitable. Canadians can bitch and moan, we do have a weak, impotent traitor for a prime minister. Trudeau is a ef'ing tool that makes obama look good. Trudeau deserves to be taken advantage of so we can get his ass out of Ottawa and hopefully into a jail cell. I would have hoped that trump would have gone more towards a joint initiative with Canada, but let's face facts, how could anyone work with that stuttering fool in Ottawa? Ahh, ahhhh, immediately, legalize with criminal penalties, Ahh, un, to support err, Ahh, my corporate, umm Ahh, puppet masters.

To make matters worse, how do you deal with an idiot who for all intents and purposes is trying to islamifi the nation he is sworn to protect? We don't even vet these people coming in. Trudeau wants to give known terrorists, citizenship. Like WTF? How do you deal with someone who is threatening your security by destroying their own? Meanwhile in Canadakastan, spending hundreds of millions of dollars of taxpayer and future taxpayer money to support a group of people that will do nothing, but breed and change our laws to that of some turd world hell hole. Just look at his immigration cabinet! Our government in Canada is off the rails, you can't fix stupid.

Cheers - Dave
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posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 12:01 AM
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Here's the official statement from the Canadian government today:

You can read the full statement here.


A small snippet:


“The Government of Canada disagrees strongly with the U.S. Department of Commerce’s decision to impose an unfair and punitive duty. The accusations are baseless and unfounded.

“This decision will negatively affect workers on both sides of the border, and will ultimately increase costs for American families who want to build or renovate homes. The U.S. National Association of Home Builders has calculated that a $1,000 increase in the cost of a new house would put home ownership beyond the reach of more than 150,000 American families, and jeopardize thousands of jobs in the American home construction industry.

“The Government of Canada will vigorously defend the interests of the Canadian softwood lumber industry, including through litigation. In ruling after ruling since 1983, international tribunals have disproved the unfounded subsidy and injury allegations from the U.S. industry. We have prevailed in the past and we will do so again.



Looks like Canada will be taking this to court... again.

And chances are we'll win... again.

Trump's attempt at extortion may very well blow up in his face.



Worst case scenario, Canada expands on and finds new trade partners for its highly sought after softwood lumber... shouldn't be too hard. China (Wuhan) is in talks with softwood reps as we speak, particularly for its hotel construction industry.

And maybe this new trade agreement we just made with the EU (CETA) will actually turn out to be a blessing in disguise afterall.



These next several months will be interesting indeed... particularly when tornado and hurricane season hits the US.




posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 12:16 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Neith
a reply to: ketsuko

No, I'd much rather Amerkianistan minded their own damn business and left our lumber alone.


Fine. Stop exporting it or have your government stop subsidizing it.

Well now, somebody's up high on that horse. Let's see if we can hack it ourselves agriculturally & get rid of farming subsidies before we tut-tut our kind northern neighbors over lumber, shall we?



posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 12:21 AM
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simple solution... We don't sell lumber to the US

They aren't the only people we export to anyways...

cut em off...





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