originally posted by: Area201
originally posted by: rickymouse
Let me guess, the guys pushing for this green energy are heavily invested in the corporations that will profit from this spending. I am not blind.
Buying new green technology products is not pro-ecology, it means that we will be destroying more of our environment producing these new
How is installing wind, solar and other "green energy" technology destroying our environment more as current technology?
No one is pulling a fast one past you. Al Gore is just out to make a lot of money for himself. He's not fooling a smart guy like you.
Windmills are actually not that bad. It is the solar panel construction that damages the environment. People who promote green in this country seem
to push replacing existing stuff with new green stuff. I watched a couple of "green builders on TV. They talked people into doing a complete redo on
their house, siding, windows, energy saving roof, solar panels, all new light fixtures at different locations. I am a builder, that was a nice house
to start with, it needed nothing. When they finished it was not as nice as when they started and the old vinyl went to the dump, if it had stayed on
for another fifteen years it would have been more ecofriendly. They replaced the old roofing with a new type with ventilation panels underneath, more
roof vents would have been better. All they did was gave the person green bragging rights and the materials they used actually increased ecological
destruction, the old slate shingles would have lasted for twenty five years.
You have to weigh things to see if you are being eco friendly. The new refrigerators are not eco friendly, they have the automatic defrost element in
them and it heats so it does not frost, that heating is not included in the information of annual cost and efficiency on the label. And a new fridge
is made so it lasts between seven and ten years, ask a repairman or the one selling you the fridge, they are all like that. So how can it save you
money if it is junk in seven years instead of twenty years like they used to last. Then more raw materials are used to build a new one, they are half
plastic, where does plastic come from? Usually oil.
Climate change is real but the whole climate change promotion is just a promotional scam to get us to buy more energy efficient which doesn't last
nearly as long as they should. I had an old fridge years ago, I think it was an International fridge. It cost about a buck a month to run, it was
quiet and hardly never rad. It was twenty five years old when my stepfather unplugged it in the garage, his electric bill did not go down at all.
The little freezer had frozen solid, but the fridge kept the beer and soda nice and cold. How can you get cheaper than that.
Like I said, these agencies are not doing anything eco-friendly with the money, they hire scientists to verify that global warming is real. We
already know we are messing up, we need to fix the problem and quit spending so much recruiting money for some people who are running all the global
warming programs and their chosen researchers who make megabucks. Pass a law that deathdating is outlawed. Make things to last. Get rid of making
buying green as cool if you do not need to do it in the first place. If you need to fix something, use some green technology, but do not tear out
something good to install green building materials and technology.
Use common sense, further destroying the environment to make something green is not eco-friendly. Giving tax credits to replace something with more
efficient is not green either. They replaced a lot of fridges and freezers under these programs and also furnaces. The cost of replacing them may
never get recovered. I have heard of a one year old refrigerator being replaced because it did not meet government specs for energy efficiency, that
was supposed to be an energy efficient fridge, but when tested it flunked and the government agency wanted to replace it. seventy percent of
refrigerators sold did not pass the guidelines after a year or two from what I was told, this was a government inspector that was telling me about it.
So if the refrigerators lose their energy savings in a few years, what did you save by buying a new one to save money? I actually did a lot of
research when buying my new freezer and found only two brands that did their evaluation correctly and they will have their energy efficiency for their
seven to ten year lifespan. My old freezer was twenty five years old and worked great, but it was an energy hog from the beginning, but I bought it
because of it's long life potential. I still have it for when I defrost my other two freezers.
It may run me fiftyeen bucks a month to run my two upright freezers, but the savings in driving to town to buy food is way greater than that. You
need to take everything into consideration.