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Love In The Brain

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posted on Apr, 23 2017 @ 05:34 PM
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It's my personal belief - and a general, intuitive truth - that neurogenesis (neuron/glia growth) in the Human brain is allied with particular affective states, such as play (a feeling of fun) and care (a feeling of warmth, and sense of importance of the wellbeing of the other).

Fun and Care are intertangled dynamics within the evolution of our particular brain-mind - and we can see and recognize how this is.

Were all experiencing the world from the "first person", and so tend to ignore and take-completely-for-granted that physical processes are happening within our brain at the same as we perceive and try to make meaning of the world around us. This way-of-relating is hardwired within Humans - simply look at the "world literature", from the pre-Socratic philosophers, the ancient mystic belief-systems (and their hyper-idealism), to Plato, Socrates, on down through the ages, with Kant, Hume, and Nietzsche.

There's this "utter sense of the arbitrary" in the positions of some thinkers (like Nietzsche) and at the other end, responsive to a different sort of emotion, you have Kant with his "moral imperative", that comes not from within - as a formative principle of the way Humans work - but "from without" - as if from a special 'spiritual' realm that is dissociated from the way matter self-organizes in the physical world.

Still, many spiritually-inclined people like to repeat the curt assumption of Descartes that the "pineal gland' is the seat of the soul - as if this mening of any such statement shouldn't be linked to actual empirical study of the structure and function of the brain, the hyper-idealism and circular thinking of people like Descartes first ascribed importance to the pineal as a function of it being in the "center" of the brain. Such was the simplistic logic of Descartes - and of others who are wont to accept false views on scant evidence.

Symmetry Making and Symmetry Breaking



Rather, the behavior of neurons is very much in agreement with the behavior of all other forms and scales of organized matter: it is symmetrical, and complementary within a larger system of relations.

The sort of symmetry present in neuronal communication is probably extraordinarily complex. An example of one is the neuron itself and its form of relating with other neurons:

“Spikes are electrochemical pulses that neurons use to communicate with each other. The spiking of a neuron tends to be regular over a period of time, thus having a frequency. This regularity is a temporal symmetry. Moreover, because neurons are connected together in spatial patterns, their activity can also exhibit spatial symmetries.” – John Bolender, The Self-Organizing Social Mind, pg. 18, 2010, MIT

Inter-neuronal communication is thus temporally synced, while at the same time, at a spatial-scale, their manner of self-organizing is geometrically "symmetrical", or coherent.

Jump up a larger scale, and we recognize that these neurons perform, or are influenced by, the dynamics of our personalized social lives. The person that we are and experience ourselves to be has happened within the context of sophisticated symmetry and symmetry breaking dynamics that are completely integrated with our consciousness - generating "emergent phenomena" like percepts - both what we see, and how we experience what we see, has the history of your particular structure (and its larger history in evolution) behind it.

This changes everything about what we think is real, and what can definitely be stated, isn't. First, this Ayn Rand, Nihilistic-Objectivist philosophy popular with societies "elite" has to be reconceived as an emergent function of unequal Human societies, so that people who gravitate and eventually identify with one group or the other, come to physiologically express the "function" of their common group identity. The "attractor" is always the desire to be positively known. And it is always a process consistent with the laws of physics i.e. entropy.

From living and being, for the longest time, Humans have been "absorbed" and "assimilated" by philosophies which pre-exist their birth. It is natural and normal to believe that what you're being offered is the truth, and no matter how much evidence exists, the Human mind will not perceive the nuanced truth without a material (i.e. social) scaffolding for that perception to emerge. In other words, because we accept beliefs before we are psychologically/cognitively developed enough to recognize their shortcomings, the individual must first psychologically (materially/neurologically) experience its faults, before they can generate (an an emergent property within the 'adjacent perceptually possible') an understanding or 'insight' that offers a coherent solution.

Perception isn't, in other words, shallow or arbitrary. Perception and motivation is always related to what preceded that last perception/motivation. What happened? Where are you? How are you responding to the signals of your body? Human minds interact top-down with the natural physics of body's, and the two are never ever truly "separated", even though Human beings, strangely enough, are quite able to feel quite confident about the "meaninglessness" of the world around them, they are not skeptical enough to wonder about the basis of their perceptions - that is, their basis in relations - between "this state" and a present situation - based upon identity formations, commitments, and other attachments.

A nihilistic mistake that been allowed to emerge in some corners is the idea that ALL forms of attachment - even love - is wrong, which strikes me an absurdist over-reaching of a mind that has seemed to have forgotten that every of its perceptions is emergent i.e. based upon pre-existing relations.

Love in the OFC



The Human forebrain, the brain behind our eyes, is the most truly unique structure/function that differentiates Homo Sapiens from all other beings, past and present, including Neanderthals. To achieve this structure, love - the feeling of a caring attachment to others - must be there to regulate the sometimes destructive forces of fun/play.

In a certain sense, men have a greater commitment to "fun" than to care. Females, of course, are the opposite. But this "either/or" notion is ridiculous, and nonsensical, as both emotions are integral to Human experience, but in different ways.

The fun of a joke, of a nihilistic pleasure in crude things, is an example of 'fun', but a fun that is contextualized - and "constrained" - by an awareness that adds the asterisk *: but only "in play" i.e. as opposed to reality.

Care and Play thus generally work together, as can be seen in todays media and the way that media is generally justified by well-educated elites, who, not appreciating the role their own education plays (as opposed to some intrinsic prowess) in allowing this distinction to be made and maintained by their brain-mind, is not something so easily done by people who don't read, watch T.V, and yet experience the same affective stresses that past Humans resolved through deliberative consideration of affectivite processes which they subsequently communicated, whereas today, "things", and "stuff", have emerged as external referents minds turn to "to make themselves feel better".




posted on Apr, 23 2017 @ 05:37 PM
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Care is nuanced, and intelligent. It is not matter that gives consciousness, but a particular organiZation within matter - symmetrically enacted by Human organisms which possess brains that express minds designed to 'scope out' the intentions of the other.

When the other responds to us in the way we so desparately desire - we feel an "oomph" of energy within us. This phenomenological effect is a correlate of our neurogenerative dynamic that stimulates conscious interest and activity. Your desire to speak is thereby enhanced: you experience of "realness", as an individual, paradoxically is functionally dependent on the Other who responds to you.

Care keeps things stable and coherent, whereas play/fun, if allowed to gain complete control, will exhaust the external material environment until no environment is left to exploit. At that point, the agent will encounter all that which has been staved off and externalized outside the self - the mind/brain, and the way it has shaped you to be.



posted on Apr, 23 2017 @ 06:23 PM
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Great post, but don't complicate a natural occurrence.

When you care for someone deeply, you do anything and everything for them. The response you get back from them in a positive way is like a reward for you. The cycle continues and the bond gets stronger.

That is love.




posted on Apr, 23 2017 @ 06:45 PM
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Always enjoy your threads, great food for thought and imagination


Your analogy made me think of traits associated with eastern and western thought. The west is more active(fun and play) and the east more receptive(care, feelings of wellbeing and calm) in a general sense. The western energy is more likely to reach 'exhaustion', as in resources, aggressiveness and ambition, whereas the eastern energy is more stabilizing, conservative and flowing with continuity.

Like the yin and yang, opposites and yet integrally one, these traits have their place and even though things move to the fringe extremes, they will settle back to a more balanced position, either quickly or ever so slowly. Recognizing these differences, like with your thread here, facilitates more tolerance and acceptance imo.

The sensations experienced during encounters with others, particularly romantic, involves chemicals within us also. I am sure you know this already, and I personally acknowledge this factor but do not allow it be the limitation or endgame of the experience. Biology has it's effect, but mind and emotion can carry things to more expansive levels to include things like empathy, selflessness, nobility and compassion. It's like the chemicals activate the system but the mind constructs the framework to house and support the energy created.

The "phenomenological effect" imo is biology enabling us to maximize our expression and solicitation, and can serve both the individual as well as the tribe by making us as appealing and feeling empowered as possible. The same effect could be said to stem from and/or be the cause of a desire for both fun and care as well. Love can bring out the best in us and for whatever combination of reasons biological, spiritual, or social and it is a very powerful thing.
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posted on Apr, 23 2017 @ 06:55 PM
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a reply to: Astrocyte

i think they lie to us and the majority of the brain is just a mush cussion to protect a small part and so we look decent with dome heads instead of sloped headed ugliness. i think something is guiding our evoluion and our lives and the concious mind is just going along for the ride



posted on Apr, 23 2017 @ 06:59 PM
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a reply to: Groot

I get it. It's simple. But it's also complex.

Everyone "understands" love. It's intuitive. It's a function of how you are - it's the basis of being.

But it is also sort of complex inasmuch as evolution has created Humans through "purely" physical processes i.e. symmetry and symmetry breaking (as the most abstract description we can give). Symmetry is enacted or expressed between humans as the communicator-listener process. It works both ways, and hence, is totally symmetrical from the perspective of physics.

I think this perspective ENHANCES the wonder we should feel - that there is a profound NECESSITY to the way the world works - insomuch as scientists often use science to "disenchant" the world of Human feeling and meaning, the emerging sciences are giving us far more than a simple understanding of the physical world, but is revealing just how wondrous our minds are, in terms of what they are fundamentally able to do, when they bind together and understand one another.



posted on Apr, 23 2017 @ 07:15 PM
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originally posted by: Astrocyte
a reply to: Groot

I get it. It's simple. But it's also complex.

Everyone "understands" love. It's intuitive. It's a function of how you are - it's the basis of being.

But it is also sort of complex inasmuch as evolution has created Humans through "purely" physical processes i.e. symmetry and symmetry breaking (as the most abstract description we can give). Symmetry is enacted or expressed between humans as the communicator-listener process. It works both ways, and hence, is totally symmetrical from the perspective of physics.

I think this perspective ENHANCES the wonder we should feel - that there is a profound NECESSITY to the way the world works - insomuch as scientists often use science to "disenchant" the world of Human feeling and meaning, the emerging sciences are giving us far more than a simple understanding of the physical world, but is revealing just how wondrous our minds are, in terms of what they are fundamentally able to do, when they bind together and understand one another.




Before I respond, I must ask, have you ever felt love?





posted on Apr, 23 2017 @ 07:24 PM
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a reply to: waftist

Thanks for the response.




The western energy is more likely to reach 'exhaustion', as in resources, aggressiveness and ambition, whereas the eastern energy is more stabilizing, conservative and flowing with continuity.


I find it endlessly fascinating that the Human species is so coherently spread across the earth, from east to west. Cultures and philosophies, in other words, have arisen locally in a way that makes sense when we think about 'east' and 'west' as directional coordinates corresponding to the moral significance of Human knowledge: the rising of the sun is associated with wisdom, because the sun - light - literally makes real the world we experience. This quality is seen to correspond to wisdom i.e. knowledge of beginnings and the understanding of cause and effect, as it relates to the origins of things. This awareness enables a coherent ecological relationship to the whole - the Universe at large. Similarly, eastern cultures have taken a particular liking to Buddhism, Zen, Taoism and Confucianism, all of which incline towards an emphasis on large-scale patterns (the yin-yang), and the position of the individual within the context of the whole (society).

One might naturally infer that this fact is an emergent property of Human beings of Eastern origins recognizing the relationship between where they lived vis-a-vis "outsiders", and the symbolic association of wisdom with the rising sun wisdom. Similarly, the converse would emerge in the west, where, for instance, the ancient Egyptians - literally a desert people - came to experience themselves (and I speak of their ruling class) as 'demigods' relative to the people they ruled, and the concepts/things they worshiped as the powers which "gave them" "their right" to rule Egypt.

Here, the emphasis in Egypt is sheer survival. The cult-of-death is literally as evil as it looks and seems: what is needed to survive, thrive and succeed in a desert society is significantly different from what is needed in ancient China. So in addition to symbolic understanding, it may have been the sheer abundance of things/value that the ancient easterners were more stable in their relationship with nature than westerners, who, coming primarily from desert societies i.e. Egypt, Mesopotamia, Elam (Persia) experienced reality in far more traumatological terms: it was always "good" vs. "evil" - with good and evil reified as ontological properties in opposition (Zoroaster) which was finally rationalized in Hebraic thought as the menace of a social-disorder with a historical cause (hence the historical emphasis of the bible), but you still have this "God/Israel" vs. the nations antagonism, which has seemed to fuel all sorts of iconoclasms that persist to this present day.

The western worlds perversion of reality does indeed reach its apogee in California (fornication with Kali?) - whether in films, or pornography, or silicon valley, there is this dabbling with the unreal as if it were more real than the Real.

Mind you, I love lots of Disney works - such as Frozen, and am not criticizing fantasy or art, as if there were no place for "symmetry breaking" done in a conscious way. The issue is that it has become a massive purveyor of propaganda that serves the interests of the financial elite - and they genuinely do seem to believe, as Viola Davis suggested, that "art is true than reality", and that "artists know how to live" - without mentioning, of course, at whose expense this "living" happens. Also ridiculously presumptuous/naïve to think you aren't accountable to the effects of the reality you live within.




Biology has it's effect, but mind and emotion can carry things to more expansive levels to include things like empathy, selflessness, nobility and compassion.


The mind emerges from the material dynamics, yes, but as you say, the emotions, and feelings we feel are the REAL dynamics stimulating neurogenesis. The point is only that these spiritual-energies operate within pre-existing material processes like symmetry, coherence, complementarity etc. You could say the universe did the first half (creating us) whereas we complete the job "from within".



posted on Apr, 23 2017 @ 07:26 PM
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a reply to: Groot

Love for mother, sister, brother, father, dog. I've felt that love. I also feel compassion when I recognize the need for it.

But as for "romantic love", I have never felt that, though I hear its the best.



posted on Apr, 23 2017 @ 07:41 PM
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originally posted by: Astrocyte
a reply to: Groot

Love for mother, sister, brother, father, dog. I've felt that love. I also feel compassion when I recognize the need for it.

But as for "romantic love", I have never felt that, though I hear its the best.



Lets call it companionship love. Someone who share your ideas and beliefs. Someone who accepts you for who you are and understands you that is not related to you by blood. Someone you can truly be yourself with. They accept your flaws as a human. And the key is , they don't have to. They just do. Now, turn that around. Can you, as a person do that?




posted on Apr, 23 2017 @ 09:55 PM
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Interesting


I am curious what is you position on what follows?



Transmutation means change, specifically the change of the lower into the higher. Transmutation is the process by which the destructive elements of our animal being are changed into those of our angelic nature. Transmutation is transformation.

The process of transmutation rests on the principle that all things in the world were originally good and only our misuse of them has made them harmful. Therefore, in transmuting we do not seek to destroy, but rather to change or transform the destructive component of any part of our being (be it a thought, desire or action) into its original God-ordained nature.
In this manner, hate can be transmuted into love, greed into practical generosity, fear into prudence and resentment into compassion.

Here is a brief description of how this is to be accomplished. The human brain is so constructed that as we think and act, these activities are automatically recorded and programmed into the nerve cells. The more we think or do something, the stronger and stronger this nerve imprint becomes. Science calls this “molding” or “imprinting.” On the other hand, if we do not think or do certain things, the nerve impressions of these items gradually fade. If we consciously replace adverse thoughts and actions by those in harmony with the Divine Law, these more constructive imprints will gradually replace the less desirable imprints.

By first changing our thought patterns we are eventually able to change our emotions, and with the change in our emotions we are able to modify our actions. This is the basic physical functioning of transmutation. It takes a strong desire and constant effort on the part of an individual to accomplish such a work, but it is an absolutely essential part of the Great Work.

Therefore, the daily practice of this activity, transmutation, is one of the main cornerstones of the development of every true seeker after things Spiritual. By the efforts at transmutation, the student on the Path is able to set the stage so that the soul, that celestial Divine Spark is cleared of much of the debris heaped upon it over life times of circumventing Divine Law. With the process of transmutation, the Soul Spark is able to “see” more clearly to build its Inner Center, the Holy Temple within.


www.soul.org...

Feel free to elaborate.

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posted on Apr, 23 2017 @ 10:27 PM
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originally posted by: Astrocyte
Still, many spiritually-inclined people like to repeat the curt assumption of Descartes that the "pineal gland' is the seat of the soul - as if this mening of any such statement shouldn't be linked to actual empirical study of the structure and function of the brain, the hyper-idealism and circular thinking of people like Descartes first ascribed importance to the pineal as a function of it being in the "center" of the brain.


I once heard a hooker say the way to man's heart is through his sphincter.


originally posted by: Astrocyte

Love in the OFC


The Human forebrain, the brain behind our eyes, is the most truly unique structure/function that differentiates Homo Sapiens from all other beings, past and present, including Neanderthals. To achieve this structure, love - the feeling of a caring attachment to others - must be there to regulate the sometimes destructive forces of fun/play.


Love is not this complicated. Love is created by little acts of kindness that eventually become a habit. Hate is the other kind of acts.



posted on Apr, 23 2017 @ 10:54 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015



The opposite of love is not hate
It is indifference as to its potential


Juan



posted on Apr, 23 2017 @ 11:04 PM
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originally posted by: Kashai
a reply to: dfnj2015



The opposite of love is not hate
It is indifference as to its potential


Juan



Acts of meanness are not indifference. You should read what I say before you make dumb point. Indifference is just indifference. I will stick by what I said. Love is little acts of kindness in someone else's favor.



posted on Apr, 23 2017 @ 11:12 PM
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A dumb point would be not taking into consideration that about how many people are starving on Earth....

www.worldhunger.org...

What is your problem with these facts?

Are you indifferent to them??

Is it because you hate them or so are certain that helping them is somehow related to your hatred of them. Or are you not willing to immerse yourself in helping them because you are unwilling to do so because of what????


I mean what reasoning do you support to consider that such a situation is permissible?

Feel free to elaborate.

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posted on Apr, 23 2017 @ 11:23 PM
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I mean more people die of starvation on Earth today than have ever been sacrificed to "gods" in ancient history per second, due to belief systems that supported such ideologies.

How do you fee about that?

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posted on Apr, 23 2017 @ 11:33 PM
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Today, around 21,000 children died around the world

That is equivalent to:

1 child dying every 4 seconds
14 children dying every minute


Further...

en.wikipedia.org...

Feel free to elaborate!

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posted on Apr, 24 2017 @ 01:10 AM
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The brain is a switchboard. Something has to throw the switches.


Keep the demons in your mind, and out of your heart. Dont fool yourselves.



posted on Apr, 24 2017 @ 01:36 AM
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In consideration...




Cell memory mechanism discovered
Date:August 15, 2013
Source:Karolinska Institutet

Summary:
DNA binding proteins called transcription factors are required for maintaining cell identity. They ensure that daughter cells have the same function as their mother cell. However, each time a cell divides the specific binding pattern of the transcription factors is erased and has to be restored in both mother and daughter cells. Previously it was unknown how this process works, but now scientists have discovered the importance of particular protein rings encircling the DNA and how these function as the cell's memory.


www.sciencedaily.com...



posted on Apr, 24 2017 @ 02:43 AM
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I Sit By The Window by Joseph Brodsky

I said fate plays a game without a score,
and who needs fish if you've got caviar?
The triumph of the Gothic style would come to pass
and turn you on--no need for coke, or grass.
I sit by the window. Outside, an aspen.
When I loved, I loved deeply. It wasn't often.

I said the forest's only part of a tree.
Who needs the whole girl if you've got her knee?
Sick of the dust raised by the modern era,
the Russian eye would rest on an Estonian spire.
I sit by the window. The dishes are done.
I was happy here. But I won't be again.

I wrote: The bulb looks at the flower in fear,
and love, as an act, lacks a verb; the zer-
o Euclid thought the vanishing point became
wasn't math--it was the nothingness of Time.
I sit by the window. And while I sit
my youth comes back. Sometimes I'd smile. Or spit.

I said that the leaf may destory the bud;
what's fertile falls in fallow soil--a dud;
that on the flat field, the unshadowed plain
nature spills the seeds of trees in vain.
I sit by the window. Hands lock my knees.
My heavy shadow's my squat company.

My song was out of tune, my voice was cracked,
but at least no chorus can ever sing it back.
That talk like this reaps no reward bewilders
no one--no one's legs rest on my sholders.
I sit by the window in the dark. Like an express,
the waves behind the wavelike curtain crash.

A loyal subject of these second-rate years,
I proudly admit that my finest ideas
are second-rate, and may the future take them
as trophies of my struggle against suffocation.
I sit in the dark. And it would be hard to figure out
which is worse; the dark inside, or the darkness out.



www.quora.com...

Any thoughts?


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