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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: toysforadults
Ah. The favorite pastime of conservatives. Strawman liberals with shoddy evidence, opinionated reasoning, and circular logic.
PS: You don't sound very liberal in this thread when you judge actual liberals, mr. conservative.
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: toysforadults
Ah. The favorite pastime of conservatives. Strawman liberals with shoddy evidence, opinionated reasoning, and circular logic.
PS: You don't sound very liberal in this thread when you judge actual liberals, mr. conservative.
It is a day that ends in Y...
originally posted by: ClovenSky
originally posted by: SBMcG
I cannot tell you what liberals are or are not anymore, because their very ideology is based upon wealth re-distribution (theft), the removal of merit-based advancement in our society (everyone loses), their hatred of traditional America (2nd Amendment rights, nuclear family, Christianity, etc...), and their inexplicable support of everything that is bad for America (which is why they never hold power for long).
But I can tell you how this constitutional conservative feels about individual rights...
I follow the literal interpretation of the Constitution as defined through the Original Intent of the Framers. The document itself was clearly intended to be a strong limiting factor on the size and scope of government going forward, as affirmed over and over again in the writings of the Framers.
I have never seen anything in the Constitution, Bill of Rights, or writings of the Framers that would give government the "right" to think for you, tell you what to think (and say), tell you what to do with your body, or tell you where you can and cannot go. However, neither does it absolve individuals from responsibility and the consequences of their choices and actions.
As an agnostic I don't really have a dog in the religious freedom hunt, but the Constitution clearly states that the Federal government shall play no role in the establishment of any religion. I also acknowledge that America itself was certainly founded by men who overwhelmingly had very strong Judeo-Christian leanings and were not shy about it.
The Federal government has no business intruding in any way into your personal life. The individual should be free to live the way they choose. However, if that lifestyle creates an economic or social impediment to that individual or others, that is 100% their choice and responsibility. One individual cannot be forced to "accept" the personal choices of another if they find them aberrant.
Obviously, there are hundreds of individual social and economic issues we could address here, but as a basic rule-of-thumb from the perspective of constitutional conservatism, if it is not addressed specifically in the Constitution, it's a states rights issue.
Maximum freedom, personal responsibility, minimal government interference. That was the Original Intent of our Framers.
From a fellow agnostic .... simply brilliant.
originally posted by: MysticPearl
Lefties and liberals are two entirely different things. Lefties actively fight against much of what liberals stand for, tolerance and free speech being obvious examples.
And it's quite stupid as they've split their own party and forced your average liberal farther to the right. Most liberals I know don't identify with nor understand what's become of their party where the face of it has taken on a far left radical, lefty stance.
originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Shamrock6
The op posed a simple question.
That has been repeatedly denied.
Have conservatives become MORE socially liberal?
Considering current events.
liberals have become more authoritarian.
originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Shamrock6
The op posed a simple question.
That has been repeatedly denied.
Have conservatives become MORE socially liberal?
Considering current events.
liberals have become more authoritarian.
This is why I becone defensive when people call the modern left liberals because they are not libertarians.
The use of the word libertarian to describe a new set of political positions has been traced to the French cognate, libertaire, coined in a letter French libertarian communist Joseph Déjacque wrote to mutualist Pierre-Joseph Proudhon in 1857.[20][21] Déjacque also used the term for his anarchist publication Le Libertaire: Journal du Mouvement Social, which was printed from 9 June 1858 to 4 February 1861 in New York City.[22][23] In the mid-1890s, Sébastien Faure began publishing a new Le Libertaire while France's Third Republic enacted the lois scélérates ("villainous laws"), which banned anarchist publications in France. Libertarianism has frequently been used as a synonym for anarchism since this time.[24][25][26]
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
the extreme left are as morose as the extreme right. Each is racist, violent, and ugly, just in opposite ways.
Most of the world is normal, and doesn't care about any of this. Most of you...i had no idea you were political at all 4 years ago. Now you are going around sporting Pepe avatars, or cheeto images in your posts....how many of you really care about any of this when you log off your computer? I mean, beyond looking at the extremes on both sides and spitting....how much of the general gist are you really fired up about?
And why isn't any of that really up for debate? Only these trolling topics seem to really run. That and current events. Which are turned into trollfests, too.
originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: toysforadults
The modern Left isn't authoritarian.
originally posted by: jimmyx
originally posted by: toysforadults
How does silencing the voice of opposition fit in with the ideas of liber-ty?
so why do you want to silence liberals?