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Have conservatives become more socially liberal than "liberals"?

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posted on Apr, 22 2017 @ 07:24 AM
a reply to: toysforadults

What utter rubbish.

I am a Christian. It is because I am a Christian, that I empathise with and identify with left wing thinking, and find right wing thinking to be ghastly and immoral.

Furthermore, being intolerant of intolerance is legitimate. Being intolerant of difference is not. One of these things, the inability to tolerate intolerance, will save the world. The opposite thing will kill it.

posted on Apr, 22 2017 @ 09:30 AM
a reply to: toysforadults

Really I tire of trying to incorporate grammar into politics, because people just use whatever word they would like, regardless of whatever or not it fits.

Show me where Bernie sanders or the people voting for him advocated for government taking over ownership of companies and land, and we'll talk about how "socialism" was a correctly used term.

I think "progressive" is more the mindset they are going for - possibly more aggressively than you approve of, but regardless, it would seem the goal of those on the far left would be a society that accepts people as they are, and helps those in need.

Now, we can argue whether or not a party can be hijacked by an agenda or corporation or elite entity or what not and become more of a monster than something great. Take conservatives - as a libertarian I see them as more responsible for the corporate monster we have, the corporations and political elite have hijacked the party to be about their own cause... And every one of my ills in life are related to financial issues and family members with health issues - big pharma comes with that - and I blame the hijackers of the right for this.

We have the left who is definitely susceptible to the same, you see violent rebellion groups form like black lives matter, you see social justice warriors sometimes taking steps to ruin lives of people they don't agree with, people they believe are using their free speech all too freely...

Pretty much every party, every religion, every group, every country has its losers - but we can't let the losers define the rest of us. As a conservative, I did not advocate for corporatism, as a liberal I did not advocate for violent uprising, and as a libertarian I do not advocate for anarchy.

Tl;Dr - stereotypes hardly get us very far in arguments, defining words in politics is just ridiculous, most people are better than Fox news would have you believe.

edit on 22-4-2017 by deadlyhope because: (no reason given)

posted on Apr, 22 2017 @ 02:02 PM
a reply to: neo96

Well a real liberal wouldn't care what I say.

I don't care what you say


posted on Apr, 22 2017 @ 02:05 PM
a reply to: toysforadults

The modern left views minorities as "lesser than." They think that anyone that is not a straight white male cannot make it on their own, without the help of financially well off liberals that live in 99% white neighborhoods, while telling everyone else that they need to embrace multiculturalism and refugees.

They believe that black people are too stupid to get an ID in order to vote.
They believe that women are too weak to negotiate equal pay without the help of the patriarchal government.
They believe that Mexico is a hell hole filled with vile people, and that it is a punishment to deport anyone there.
They believe that they need to protect idiots from opposing ideas, because they are too stupid to think for themselves.
They believe that minorities are inferior, and so they have to force equal distribution instead of merit based hiring.
They believe that minorities are too stupid to make their own decisions, and that they need to decide for them.
They believe that minorities are inferior, so the straight white males must pay for their lives.

They believe that by calling everyone else racists and bigots, that it will hide their own racist and bigoted beliefs.

posted on Apr, 22 2017 @ 02:54 PM
a reply to: toysforadults

This brings me to another conclusion, liberals aren't in fact liberals, they are Marxist.

How silly are we? How silly are you?


edit on 4/22/2017 by Spiramirabilis because: (no reason given)

posted on Apr, 22 2017 @ 04:24 PM
a reply to: Winstonian

Next time can you just come out and say "I am a Alt-right white nationalist" and not type out the whole crap like you did?

The left wants everyone equal. You want to keep it so that doesnt happen because you fear others being equal. It makes you not special anymore.

As the saying goes High tide lifts all boats. Not shut up and get out of my ocean.

posted on Apr, 22 2017 @ 04:45 PM

being intolerant of intolerance is legitimate

Yes liberals usually tolerate most things but not extreme, damaging, oppressive, garbage that the right tries to push on everyone in the world.

Of course there are different factions of both parties, and some liberals are less tolerant others, though mainly it's because they feel they or others have been oppressed or are about to be oppressed. Basically self defense.

posted on Apr, 22 2017 @ 11:10 PM
a reply to: Pyle

Alt-right? That's hilarious. Why don't you just come right out and call me a Nazi? All you did right there was prove my point for me. Do you think black people are too stupid to get ID's? Are women too weak to handle their own affairs?

You and many others have allowed yourselves to be brainwashed into a false paradigm.

I believe in freedom and equal opportunity. I do not believe in ushering in an authoritarian government with the aim of using violent force to make sure everyone has equality of outcomes. It is an impossible and violent pipe dream.

I feel sorry for you. You do not believe in freedom. Your views are the results of state sponsored propaganda and schooling. You and many others are being used as useful idiots to willingly give up our freedoms and civil liberties. MLK would be absolutely ashamed.

You should give freedom a try, it is the noblest of pursuits.

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