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Have conservatives become more socially liberal than "liberals"?

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posted on Apr, 22 2017 @ 07:24 AM
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a reply to: toysforadults

What utter rubbish.

I am a Christian. It is because I am a Christian, that I empathise with and identify with left wing thinking, and find right wing thinking to be ghastly and immoral.

Furthermore, being intolerant of intolerance is legitimate. Being intolerant of difference is not. One of these things, the inability to tolerate intolerance, will save the world. The opposite thing will kill it.




posted on Apr, 22 2017 @ 09:30 AM
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a reply to: toysforadults

Really I tire of trying to incorporate grammar into politics, because people just use whatever word they would like, regardless of whatever or not it fits.

Show me where Bernie sanders or the people voting for him advocated for government taking over ownership of companies and land, and we'll talk about how "socialism" was a correctly used term.

I think "progressive" is more the mindset they are going for - possibly more aggressively than you approve of, but regardless, it would seem the goal of those on the far left would be a society that accepts people as they are, and helps those in need.

Now, we can argue whether or not a party can be hijacked by an agenda or corporation or elite entity or what not and become more of a monster than something great. Take conservatives - as a libertarian I see them as more responsible for the corporate monster we have, the corporations and political elite have hijacked the party to be about their own cause... And every one of my ills in life are related to financial issues and family members with health issues - big pharma comes with that - and I blame the hijackers of the right for this.

We have the left who is definitely susceptible to the same, you see violent rebellion groups form like black lives matter, you see social justice warriors sometimes taking steps to ruin lives of people they don't agree with, people they believe are using their free speech all too freely...

Pretty much every party, every religion, every group, every country has its losers - but we can't let the losers define the rest of us. As a conservative, I did not advocate for corporatism, as a liberal I did not advocate for violent uprising, and as a libertarian I do not advocate for anarchy.

Tl;Dr - stereotypes hardly get us very far in arguments, defining words in politics is just ridiculous, most people are better than Fox news would have you believe.

edit on 22-4-2017 by deadlyhope because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 22 2017 @ 02:02 PM
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a reply to: neo96




Well a real liberal wouldn't care what I say.


I don't care what you say

:-)



posted on Apr, 22 2017 @ 02:05 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

The modern left views minorities as "lesser than." They think that anyone that is not a straight white male cannot make it on their own, without the help of financially well off liberals that live in 99% white neighborhoods, while telling everyone else that they need to embrace multiculturalism and refugees.

They believe that black people are too stupid to get an ID in order to vote.
They believe that women are too weak to negotiate equal pay without the help of the patriarchal government.
They believe that Mexico is a hell hole filled with vile people, and that it is a punishment to deport anyone there.
They believe that they need to protect idiots from opposing ideas, because they are too stupid to think for themselves.
They believe that minorities are inferior, and so they have to force equal distribution instead of merit based hiring.
They believe that minorities are too stupid to make their own decisions, and that they need to decide for them.
They believe that minorities are inferior, so the straight white males must pay for their lives.

They believe that by calling everyone else racists and bigots, that it will hide their own racist and bigoted beliefs.



posted on Apr, 22 2017 @ 02:54 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults



This brings me to another conclusion, liberals aren't in fact liberals, they are Marxist.

How silly are we? How silly are you?

language...




edit on 4/22/2017 by Spiramirabilis because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 22 2017 @ 04:24 PM
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a reply to: Winstonian

Next time can you just come out and say "I am a Alt-right white nationalist" and not type out the whole crap like you did?

The left wants everyone equal. You want to keep it so that doesnt happen because you fear others being equal. It makes you not special anymore.

As the saying goes High tide lifts all boats. Not shut up and get out of my ocean.



posted on Apr, 22 2017 @ 04:45 PM
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being intolerant of intolerance is legitimate


Yes liberals usually tolerate most things but not extreme, damaging, oppressive, garbage that the right tries to push on everyone in the world.

Of course there are different factions of both parties, and some liberals are less tolerant others, though mainly it's because they feel they or others have been oppressed or are about to be oppressed. Basically self defense.



posted on Apr, 22 2017 @ 11:10 PM
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a reply to: Pyle

Alt-right? That's hilarious. Why don't you just come right out and call me a Nazi? All you did right there was prove my point for me. Do you think black people are too stupid to get ID's? Are women too weak to handle their own affairs?

You and many others have allowed yourselves to be brainwashed into a false paradigm.

I believe in freedom and equal opportunity. I do not believe in ushering in an authoritarian government with the aim of using violent force to make sure everyone has equality of outcomes. It is an impossible and violent pipe dream.

I feel sorry for you. You do not believe in freedom. Your views are the results of state sponsored propaganda and schooling. You and many others are being used as useful idiots to willingly give up our freedoms and civil liberties. MLK would be absolutely ashamed.

You should give freedom a try, it is the noblest of pursuits.



posted on Apr, 23 2017 @ 06:03 AM
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I always enjoy watching the pissing matches between liberals and conservatives. You're both too busy screaming about who's more wrong that you don't realize that you're both wrong. You both look to government for salvation and validation. You both play identity politics, but with vastly different groups. You both pray at the altar of big government -- because that's what you've been conditioned to believe. Conservatives, feel free to challenge me on that fact. I will be more than happy to show you that the biggest expansions of government have happened under the watchful eye of republican administrations.

Both parties have driven a wedge between themselves to the point that liberals will oppose an idea solely because it came from a conservative and vice-versa. The whole thing is a big joke.



posted on Apr, 23 2017 @ 06:57 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: toysforadults

What utter rubbish.

I am a Christian. It is because I am a Christian, that I empathise with and identify with left wing thinking, and find right wing thinking to be ghastly and immoral.

Furthermore, being intolerant of intolerance is legitimate. Being intolerant of difference is not. One of these things, the inability to tolerate intolerance, will save the world. The opposite thing will kill it.


I did not read all the pages before this one so bear with me.

I think we have slightly different views on conservatism, last place I lived in the states before moving to Germany was Oklahoma. You would be hard pressed to find a more conservative state in the United states, it is also a church on every street corner kind of state.

Now that said...these hard working christian conservatives on a regular basis respond with food, water, and medicine and clothes to disaster areas in oklahoma or the surrounding states, often beating the states resources and always beating fema to the hardest hit areas, and always staying long after the government has pulled out, food banks are almost always fully stocked.

Lot of interracial couples, huge Hispanic population in OKC, even a pretty decent sized sikh population, parts of the state everything is still closed on sunday, but they will open things up to help a stranger broke down on the side of the road.

They are as republican as it gets... (yes some of the dumb is their as well)... but many of them are still good Christians trying hard to take care of their fellow man.


I think we have fallen into the trap of people adjusting what it means to be liberal, and conservative... those crazy people on the left... I do not consider them to be liberal at all... the hardcore right... they also are not conservative at all.

I always saw liberal and conservative as being much closer to the middle with a few differences, and the fringes that seem to control both the republicans and democrats are just extremists.

sorry for the thread drift.
edit on 23-4-2017 by Irishhaf because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 23 2017 @ 08:05 AM
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originally posted by: Pyle
a reply to: Winstonian

Next time can you just come out and say "I am a Alt-right white nationalist" and not type out the whole crap like you did?

The left wants everyone equal. You want to keep it so that doesnt happen because you fear others being equal. It makes you not special anymore.

As the saying goes High tide lifts all boats. Not shut up and get out of my ocean.


Which would you prefer enforced equality of outcome or personal liberty? You cannot have both.



posted on Apr, 23 2017 @ 08:14 AM
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a reply to: Irishhaf

This has been pretty much my experience growing up in central Kansas for all a certain resident poster talks about it like it's the American equivalent of Mos Eisley cantina.

We pitched in to help our own when they were in need. We beat the government at it and kept it going long after they pulled out. Small communities in the heartland know it could be your turn next week so you best help out your neighbor this week. It is often amply demonstrated to us in the news that no one else in the country cares what happens to us, so we take care of it.



posted on Apr, 23 2017 @ 08:50 AM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: neo96



Liberal=Intolerant.

Conservative=Intolerant (examples: Westboro Baptist Church, LGBT)

Thanks for playing.


Yes the are guilty of sinning against Jesus. But the are apparently not as intolerant as the progressives who have taken over the liberals. In fact how many beheadings for not believing in Christ is Westboro guilty of so far? Your measuring stick apparently needs recalibration Deaf Alien.


(note to site admin: the word recalibration is not in the library)



posted on Apr, 23 2017 @ 08:53 AM
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originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
I'm liberal
But I don't stand on the left
I support Trump
But I don't stand on the right

What does that make me? A paradox?


It makes you normal, like a lot of people. I too am liberal about your rights. I supported Trump because he was not an R to be honest. I supported Cruz because I liked his bulldog approach to a lot of things Constitutionally. I think Mark Levin, who I will say is a bit loud at times, has it right. I may not be as normal as you Hunter but I like your position.



posted on Apr, 23 2017 @ 08:53 AM
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originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
I'm liberal
But I don't stand on the left
I support Trump
But I don't stand on the right

What does that make me? A paradox?


It makes you normal, like a lot of people. I too am liberal about your rights. I supported Trump because he was not an R to be honest. I supported Cruz because I liked his bulldog approach to a lot of things Constitutionally. I think Mark Levin, who I will say is a bit loud at times, has it right. I may not be as normal as you Hunter but I like your position.



posted on Apr, 23 2017 @ 08:56 AM
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ROFLMA!! DBC

Well i can barely stand the intolerant ones but I do like to challenge their intolerance. Somethings to be intolerant of are child rape and rape in general, beheadings, executions of innocents. If you mean those of us who are intolerant of these peoples behavior, I am guilty then.

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posted on Apr, 23 2017 @ 09:05 AM
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originally posted by: FuggleHop
a reply to: toysforadults

Yes its an ovious question to ask but not so much to answer. Lefty lib liberals are quick to take offense. But conservatives like us and most of the smarter users in these forums are far less judgmental. Lefties are always taking offense and getting angry. I would much rather sit at the table with conservatives that PRAYbefore dinner and say grace than lefties who just dig into there granola.


Ok, there I fixed it for you prey is the animals we gather while hunting.... I like your post and give a Star



posted on Apr, 23 2017 @ 09:16 AM
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originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: toysforadults

The modern Left isn't authoritarian.


You forgot to add sarc . Really, you think that? I think that is one delusional concept you have presented. Then what do we label those authoritarian types who've been forcing ideas they like on people they don't by using terror tactics? You know the BLM and the Climate hoaxers with narratives that require the shouting down of any displeasure with their distasteful opinions like the Sal Alynsky model?



posted on Apr, 23 2017 @ 09:17 AM
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originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Kali74

The left are proponents of wealth redistrobution which is NOT a liberal principle.

Liberal principles are principles of freedom.




liberal principles also include fairness...the wealth distribution has all the money going to the top 1%, and now they own close to 50% of the entire nations personal assets


Fairness in THEIR opinion of fair is not how Free people determine what is 'fair'.



posted on Apr, 23 2017 @ 09:27 AM
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originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: SBMcG

I didn't say you personally hate gays. Just that you're complaining.

I was talking about the Christian Right and their continuing hatred of the LGBTQ folk.

I thought I made that clear. But if I threw you in the mix it was not intentional and I'm sorry about that.

I just read my post again and I specifically said the Christian Right. I didn't say you were part of that group at all.

But you know what, it's this kind of sh*t: "You are just another example of an angry, defeated, desperate little leftist."
Which is exactly what I'm talking about. You just can't stop with the sh*t talking and hating on people. I'm not a defeated or desperate anything. I'm doing just fine. I'm just so GD tired of listening to the constant belly aching by the people who should actually be f*cking happy. I can understand whey Dems complain, they lost. You guys won and yet your sniveling never seems to end.

Get over yourselves for gods sake. Enjoy it before it's gone.



I agree with you, now that the conservatives control the entire federal government, and the majority of state governments, they are going after liberal media, liberal colleges, and anything they think could be liberal....I think there is a concerted effort here on ATS, to push for anarchy in America. they want all of us at each other's throats


Exactly my thoughts someone is trying to start a revolution by setting up two sides. An anti fa is being used to do it every time they show up they just send more people to the alt right. People need to wake up Nazis dont exist everywhere and most of them are actually marxists.


Agreed with the people setting us up. The liberal colleges need to be neutral and a lot of this takes care of itself. Teach how to THINK for yourself and ALL MEN deserve to have a chance at life liberty and pursuit of happiness, not just a narrow group. AND IF you hurt others, and do bad things like steal from and cheat others, then there are consequences. If the Uni's get back to that I will be shocked.




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