Have conservatives become more socially liberal than "liberals"?

So I have noticed that liberals(Marxist) are actually less socially accepting and liberal than the conservatives. It seems as if liberals are actually less tolerant with ideas they deem as bad such as Christianity, gun ownership among other things. I also noticed they only see race, religion and sex in everything while pointing the finger at everyone screaming about race, religion and sex.

This brings me to another conclusion, liberals aren't in fact liberals, they are Marxist.

lib·er·al
Origin

Middle English: via Old French from Latin liberalis, from liber ‘free (man).’ The original sense was ‘suitable for a free man,’ hence ‘suitable for a gentleman’ (one not tied to a trade), surviving in liberal arts . Another early sense, ‘generous’ (sense 4 of the adjective), gave rise to an obsolete meaning ‘free from restraint,’ leading to sense 1 of the adjective (late 18th century).

Liberal = free man. As you can see the modern left isn't into freedom but wealth distribution and thought and speech control.

About Philosophy

Marxism is the system of socialism of which the dominant feature is public ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange.

So... in fact... Liberals are not Liberals they are Marxist.

a reply to: toysforadults

Ah. The favorite pastime of conservatives. Strawman liberals with shoddy evidence, opinionated reasoning, and circular logic.

PS: You don't sound very liberal in this thread when you judge actual liberals, mr. conservative.

a reply to: toysforadults

To me, to be liberal is to be open minded. Certainly much of what we've seen out of the left of late is anything but open minded. Marxism is certainly a different issue. I would think most Marxists would never be called liberal, more likely radical. I think the painting of all liberals in America as Marxist is a little broad brush. The Antifa movement which has made a lot of waves as late, is not a liberal movement. It is a radical movement that is chalk full of Marxists.

uh huh....liberals don't want private ownership....right...got it....maybe you can give me your theory of why evangelicals support trump, and voted for him....for those that did, they simply are not Christian

a reply to: toysforadults

Liberals are less tolerant of LGBT than conservatives? LOL!!!
And just because some of us hate Christianity does not mean we don't tolerant Christians.

I consider myself conservative. I however understand the need for different ideologies, and respect many liberal ideas.

I think that what the OP is hitting at is that many self proclaimed liberals are acting in a very illiberal way. However, I think it is incorrect to suggest that there are no real liberals out there.

Many real liberals are dismayed at the direction that the Democratic party seems to be heading. Identity politics is not liberal, and many true liberals are very concerned with this.

In the interests of fairness though, its not like many self proclaimed conservatives are actually conservative. All of these small government Republicans that want to spend trillions of dollars and get involved in nation building, this is not conservative.

Suffice it to say, I don't think either political party is doing a good job of representing conservative or liberal ideas.

How does silencing the voice of opposition fit in with the ideas of liber-ty?

a reply to: toysforadults

Liberalism is now a conservative position. Free markets, free speech, freedom of religion, etc. are rarely defended by American liberals.

Both terms Liberal and Conservative have become twisted and obsolete because 90% of the population doesn't even know what they represent. Ask three liberals what that word means and you'll get 3 different answers, same with conservatives.

They started as "liberal use of government" vs. "conservative use of government". But now most people think liberal = freedom as you do, and conservative = unwilling to change and "old school". When you are young and hear these now bastardized definitions, you are going to absolutely say Yea, I am for freedom and letting people live their own lives. But they are blindly following the opposite.

The far left these days is all about NOT letting people live their own lives. They want a big government to remove your freedom of speech, freedom to protect yourself, and freedom to live without government guiding your every move. They want us to be like China and Russia where saying things can put you in prison for life. Just look at the 'antifa' folks, they are the true fascists of the world today. But the right side too has things that it wants government to enforce for them (like abortion).

The problem is that no two words can accurately describe what is really a fully packed spectrum of ideals. There are 1000's of issues and many people are on one side vs. the other for a specific issue (like the abortion example).

Currently (though this changes over decades) it seems like there is more freedom and tolerance of individuality on the right. And currently the left is on some kind of '___' trip, saying they are for freedom and feminism while promoting the most intolerant and women hating religion in the world and other intolerant groups like antifa and BLM.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Ah. The favorite pastime of conservatives. Strawman liberals with shoddy evidence, opinionated reasoning, and circular logic.

Sure if you call months of protesting, and numerous events at Berkeley shoddy evidence.

Liberalism= the most intolerant political ideology in the country.

Are Nancy Pelosi/Maxine Waters/Chuck Schumer, LIBERAL or MARXIST?

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Ah. The favorite pastime of conservatives. Strawman liberals with shoddy evidence, opinionated reasoning, and circular logic.

Sure if you call months of protesting, and numerous events at Berkeley shoddy evidence.

I call that using your 1st Amendment right to protest.

Liberalism= the most intolerant political ideology in the country.

Coming from you neo, this means nothing to me.

a reply to: neo96

Which is in fact the total opposite of the ideas of liberalism, or freedom particularly freedom of expression.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

From the first amendment... it also says no government authority...

or abridging the freedom of speech

Hmmm...

a reply to: toysforadults

Actually, after that edit, I'm not even sure what your point is.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

What's been going on is not even close to being covered in the first.

NOT even remotely close.

originally posted by: toysforadults
How does silencing the voice of opposition fit in with the ideas of liber-ty?

so why do you want to silence liberals?

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Krazysh0t

What's been going on is not even close to being covered in the first.

NOT even remotely close.

Nope. Protesting is covered under the 1st. I know you don't think liberals should be allowed to protest, but the Constitution disagrees with your authoritarian leanings.

originally posted by: carewemust
Are Nancy Pelosi/Maxine Waters/Chuck Schumer, LIBERAL or MARXIST?

Marxist.

The collective.

The individual only exists to service the wants of the collective.

They might have a hipper rap than communism.

But it is still the commodification of oneself to the mob.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

No.

Not covered under the first to shut down a presidential speaking engagement.

Not covered by the majority of liberal colleges across the country refusing to let conservatives speak.

Liberals are the very antithesis of what the word means.