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Post-Modern American Liberalism

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posted on Apr, 25 2017 @ 06:55 PM
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As I sit here denying climate change and callously hope families are ruined by deportation, I ruminate on how ugly and violent liberalism has become... the way they would march in the streets to defend the rights of women, and preach that most ugly word "togetherness" or "equality". Yes, a vile and hateful group they are... oh how I despise them all... I blame Hillary the Witch and Barrack HUSSEIN (get it, like Saddam Hussein-- a most EVIL and foreign sounding word) Obama.

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posted on Apr, 25 2017 @ 07:30 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I believe you are confusing social programs with socialism.

The military is not socialist, the people do not own 'the means of production', it is a necessity of all nations yes but it is not socialist.

These welfare programs are not socialist either, that is a misnomer, and it is also well understood that these programs are unsustainable and will become a problem in the near future. I understand you want a system that works perfectly, but every system works to a degree, otherwise civilization would not have existed for thousands of years.

Socialism is not an in between, socialism is a transitional system towards communism, it is not an end-point. Democratic socialism is the implementation of that transitional system through the use of manipulating the people into supporting it rather than it being created through force.

I want to show you something, I want you to seriously consider this:

Private schools consistently show higher scores compared to public schools.
nces.ed.gov...

Now I would like to also point out something from this study, conservative Christian schools scored the same in reading and lower in math compared to public schools.

I have never advocated for 'the good ol' days', I believe in progress, but I believe in real progress. Your idyllic dream can never be achieved without total subjugation of the world population, by an unbiased ruler. Which could only ever be achieved through AI.

Socialism is an economic system, so how would socialism work in a society that does not need workers? The next revolution will be of transportation, but it will continue until all jobs no longer require people. Most likely the means of production will be owned by no-one, policy decisions will be based on scientific analyses of super-computers, and the people will have no say in government(also controlled by AI).

Here's an example:

The leftist believes that abortion should be a right. The conservative believes the life of the child should be preserved regardless of the mother.

I believe that in time it will be based on the carrying capacity of Earth. There will be times when it can be a choice, times when it cannot, and even times when it would be forced.



posted on Apr, 25 2017 @ 08:23 PM
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a reply to: GodEmperor


Socialism is not an in between, socialism is a transitional system towards communism, it is not an end-point. Democratic socialism is the implementation of that transitional system through the use of manipulating the people into supporting it rather than it being created through force.



it is now abundantly clear that you do not understand Social Democracy. Or Democratic Socialism. I am not confusing any of it, my friend. I see that you are trying to get your brain wrapped around it, though. Please keep working at it.

None of this has anything to do with "communism." And your insistence that it does is what is causing this ruckus.



posted on Apr, 25 2017 @ 08:27 PM
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a reply to: GodEmperor

Just, by the way --- did you want to invite answers to this thread? Or was it more of a rant? Or a "treatise"? An opinion piece? A journalistic documentary sort of investigative results essay?



Your OP and entire premise is faulty, and you have been shown that. It would be best if you let your misconceptions go at this point. If you can.

Thanks for the podium anyway. You made a statement about us, and we refuted it. It just is what it is. You are mistaken. You can't, and are not given permission to tell me I am wrong about myself or about my life. My thoughts and my goals are not yours to deny or suppress.

It doesn't work that way.

I am not "broken." I am whole and well and have an outlook that is valid.



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posted on Apr, 25 2017 @ 08:33 PM
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originally posted by: GodEmperor
a reply to: BuzzyWigs



The leftist believes that abortion should be a right. The conservative believes the life of the child should be preserved regardless of the mother.



you're dealing in stereotypes.

i think this is a major diversion from reality that is harming your argument.



posted on Apr, 25 2017 @ 08:47 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Democratic socialism is the implementation of socialism through the manipulation of the democratic system. The difference between socialism and democratic socialism is cosmetic: socialism is an economic system where the means of production are owned by the state, while democratic socialism is an economic system where the means of production are owned by 'the people' via the state. Social democracy is an even trickier term, it emphasizes the state would only control the necessities, in other words capitalism would encompass the realm of entertainment only.

I think Edward Bernays would have something to say about the terms 'Social Democracy' and 'Democratic Socialism'.



posted on Apr, 25 2017 @ 08:51 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: GodEmperor
a reply to: BuzzyWigs



The leftist believes that abortion should be a right. The conservative believes the life of the child should be preserved regardless of the mother.



you're dealing in stereotypes.

i think this is a major diversion from reality that is harming your argument.


You're right, I should have used some leftists/conservatives rather than 'the', or said 'the stereotypical'. There is already a widely accepted view of what each typically believe, narrowing it further would be too time consuming.



posted on Apr, 25 2017 @ 08:53 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan


...but that grey area you are talking about....its still there.

Yeah - it is. I'm hoping we can all rediscover that. Extremism is our problem - on either end

These days I think it's more important that we have quality conversations

I know this is ATS - and quality conversations aren't always as entertaining :-)



posted on Apr, 25 2017 @ 08:58 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: GodEmperor

Just, by the way --- did you want to invite answers to this thread? Or was it more of a rant? Or a "treatise"? An opinion piece? A journalistic documentary sort of investigative results essay?



Your OP and entire premise is faulty, and you have been shown that. It would be best if you let your misconceptions go at this point. If you can.

Thanks for the podium anyway. You made a statement about us, and we refuted it. It just is what it is. You are mistaken. You can't, and are not given permission to tell me I am wrong about myself or about my life. My thoughts and my goals are not yours to deny or suppress.

It doesn't work that way.

I am not "broken." I am whole and well and have an outlook that is valid.




You have offered nothing that refutes my claims, the burden of proof lies on me and I do not have the resources to prove any of it. I will however offer you in response, a quote of your own.

My thoughts and my goals are not yours to deny or suppress.



posted on Apr, 25 2017 @ 10:09 PM
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a reply to: GodEmperor

It is unclear who was responsible for creating this poster, but it may have been an attempt to smear this particular group or divert attention from the people who actually put up the posters. Shortly after the image was posted, several messages encouraging people to spread a similar poster were posted to the web site 4chan


The domain EmeraldCityAntifa.com does not belong to the anti-fascist group, but instead the is being used to promote a book by Milo Yiannopoulos, Breitbart’s former senior editor, who shared the image to his Facebook page on 28 March 2017. The Global Antifa page claimed that Yiannopoulos was using “fake racist flyers” to create buzz for his book:


This is what they're saying - believe it or not


How about that?

Yeah - how about that?



posted on Apr, 25 2017 @ 11:32 PM
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a reply to: GodEmperor

so this morning I was teaching my liberal son about hating America and he said ,"but, dad, America is our home...", and I just looked at him...

Great thread. Super insightful about the post modern neo lithic liberal agenda'... .... but if I may ask.... what are these American values you speak of? Forgive me, as a liberal I was not taught about such things....

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posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 06:34 AM
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a reply to: GodEmperor

Correct. Your title contains the promise of an articulate definition, a description that one should be able to grab hold of and examine. Your position, however, is a false one. Therefore, because you are arguing against those of us who are in fact, by definition, "Post-Modern American Liberals" and what we are telling you about who we are, your premise is the equivalent of "alternative facts."

AKA Fake News

Why make a thread ranting about a stereotype that you have read about in other sensationalist articles as if it is true simply by virtue of you having come across it? Do you think we voters, we constituents, we concerned citizens on this forum are deliberately trying to deceive you? Like we have a club of people who sit around rephrasing things just to confuse the layperson about our motives? We aren't psychopaths.

We aren't POLITICIANS. We are voters. Invested members of this society, same as you.

You think either AI or total dictatorship are the only future possibilities. I think you are mistaken. You think my goals are to enslave everyone in FEMA camps. I KNOW you are mistaken.


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posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 02:50 PM
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According to that, since global warming cannot be proven whether man is responsible for the trend or not it is a false premise. That is not how it works, a theory is proposed and it is either reinforced or refuted through evidence. I never made the assertion that YOU are trying to deceive me, but it is not out of the realm of possibility that the beliefs themselves were a deception by someone else. I'm not really sure what your goals are, you stated things you wanted that are unrealistic. If that is your drive, the stated goals will not be the outcome, far from it in fact.



posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 03:07 PM
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It is not. It is obvious that our activity is AT LEAST exacerbating the already changing climate. You can't continue to pour toxins into the air that are known to cause temperatures to rise and then pretend those toxins didn't really cause the temp to rise.

That's like saying placing a pot of water over a flame doesn't prove that the flame makes the water hot. It's ridiculous.


Whether or not my goals are achievable is utterly impossible to prove. And your whole thread here is just a toxic attack on liberals anyway. You've been given the information now. We didn't even charge you for it. So getting huffy is inappropriate. The key to effective problem solving is to look at ALL of the possible ways of achieving an objective, and then select (or develop) the best way to get there.

Step by step. One move at a time. It is absolutely possible to achieve what I envision. You naysaying it doesn't change that. It just makes it more difficult. Belligerence has no place in progressive thinking.



posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 05:57 PM
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originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan


...but that grey area you are talking about....its still there.

Yeah - it is. I'm hoping we can all rediscover that. Extremism is our problem - on either end

These days I think it's more important that we have quality conversations

I know this is ATS - and quality conversations aren't always as entertaining :-)


When it comes to opening our minds to be empathetic to other people's problems and concerns... we all know who that falls on. All I can say is... when a liberal or conservative is actually trying to reach across and express their concerns thoughtfully... we should probably try to listen.

For me, in the age of Trump and trolls, I don't think conservatives have what it takes to connect with different minded people... Trump isn't a leader who encourages introspection...

Obama many times said we need Republicans. I'm not convinced but I trust his wisdom. He gave it a shot. Now the Trumpeter trolls are running the show and they point the finger at everyone else. Good luck to anyone extending an olive branch.



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posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 05:59 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: GodEmperor
a reply to: BuzzyWigs



The leftist believes that abortion should be a right. The conservative believes the life of the child should be preserved regardless of the mother.



you're dealing in stereotypes.

i think this is a major diversion from reality that is harming your argument.


Then please show me where I can find reassurance that the conservatives support planned parenthood. The concept.



posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 06:01 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

im pretty conservative myself. I also grew up wearing planned parenthood tshirts, as my great aunt was a regional director (now retired, and frustratingly liberal for my tastes).

But i appreciate womens health, although i do distrust the goals of planned parenthood at the highest levels.



posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 06:14 PM
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It is a benign organization that offers services to voluntary clients. It is not coercive or frightening. There is no woman on earth who is neuro-typical and opts for an abortion unless they have no other choice. It is a heartbreaking decision and a traumatic event, a life crisis.



posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 06:16 PM
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For some it is pretty traumatic.

For some, not so much.

I've seen women treat it as a matter of course with no concern. I wondered privately if they were lying to themselves, or psychopaths. Its hard for me to grapple with personally. So i try to not think to much on it.



posted on Apr, 26 2017 @ 06:28 PM
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originally posted by: GodEmperor
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Private schools consistently show higher scores compared to public schools.
nces.ed.gov...

Now I would like to also point out something from this study, conservative Christian schools scored the same in reading and lower in math compared to public schools.


There's another thing in the study - people who can afford to send their kids to private school have access to money, books, and a lot of other things and when a kid underperforms or is troublesome, they are removed from the school. Those schools don't include disabled children (including mentally disabled children) for the most part.

The public school system takes all of them.



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