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Post-Modern American Liberalism

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posted on Apr, 23 2017 @ 08:07 PM
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a reply to: Astrocyte

In other words, outside influences have shaped political ideologies of leftists. So how can you claim that Soviet intrusions have not been a part of the environmental factors that have shaped leftist ideology?




posted on Apr, 23 2017 @ 08:55 PM
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Liberalism is getting so bad these days... you can't even ban people based on religion without them protesting.

They're super intolerant toward racists and misogynists too.


(post by Teikiatsu removed for a serious terms and conditions violation)

posted on Apr, 24 2017 @ 04:25 PM
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okay. so. Since this thread is about my life, I want to offer this:




Yes. I was feeling better that Ivanka and Jared were there.....like lots of others. We were sleeping well. .......

And now this.



posted on Apr, 24 2017 @ 04:49 PM
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originally posted by: GreyScale

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: GodEmperor

I hate that they even claim the term "liberal" when they support authoritarian dictates.


Myself as well.

They're progressives. although they only use the term between themselves.

Let's just tell it like it is... an actual liberal has nothing to do with the current batch of Marxists.


I have seen this idea start floating around. You know its a bunch of bull crap don't you? Even folks that don't know they are Marxist or Leninist are. Labels like Progressive are simply façade.



posted on Apr, 24 2017 @ 04:53 PM
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originally posted by: GodEmperor
a reply to: Astrocyte

In other words, outside influences have shaped political ideologies of leftists. So how can you claim that Soviet intrusions have not been a part of the environmental factors that have shaped leftist ideology?


Astrocyte is trolling, obfuscating or doesn't know what its talking about.



posted on Apr, 24 2017 @ 07:08 PM
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a reply to: Logarock

You are mistaken.



posted on Apr, 24 2017 @ 07:12 PM
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a reply to: Logarock

And you are again mistaken. Why are you not willing to allow us to explain our own positions? OP said blah. Subjects of OP say nah. Try to start conversation to explain what we "Post-Modern American Liberals" are about....but you say "nu uh!!"


What is that? What is the bizarre justification for telling us we are wrong about what we want and what we think?
The title begs for a salient definition. We are the people who can offer it.

Why will you not allow us to do that and accept what we tell you?

I am a ginger, blue-eyed, freckled female about size 6 and mother of two.

Can you accept that statement as truth?



posted on Apr, 24 2017 @ 08:05 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

The OP is not talking about you, and other normal folks who aren't lobbing empty wine bottles and blocking off freeways as 'protest". You are not the ones posting this kind of nonsense:



on telephone poles in your communities. Its the outrageous nonsense that the media finds to delectable that keeps getting trotted out as a norm for your political beliefs. Since our language doesn't really allow much differentiation....we are left with you feeling like the OP is talking about you, when it really isn't.

I suspect you find the same type of stuff distasteful, and that there is less than a half a percent of difference in viewpoint, overall, between even the most diametrically opposed political voices on ATS



posted on Apr, 24 2017 @ 08:55 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I don't mind to see how you would define liberalism, truth is relative, maybe seeing what relative truths you hold might come to a better understanding of your position.

Would you consider yourself a moderate leftist? What reasons do you have of defending plastic liberalism and violent marxism?

Do you support free speech? Do you support speech if it does not agree with your views, even to the point that you would consider it hate speech? Do you support, or at the least willfully ignore, abuses against free speech if those abuses are directed at those you do not agree with?

This is the crux of the issue, the good intentions of the leftist movements decades past have brought us to this point. It doesn't matter what you believe, except for you, what matters is the consequences of putting those beliefs into action. The conservatives you despise so much, are conservative for a reason, they prefer the tried and true methods. It's a crap shoot when applying progressive policies, or adapting to progressive norms.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions



posted on Apr, 24 2017 @ 09:17 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

That picture is despicable, the only reason it will not receive widespread outrage is one word: it says white instead of black. The left would receive more praise and recognition from me if they valued consistency more than identity.

You're right, it's very unlikely I am referring to anyone on ATS in this thread. It's human nature to categorize information, making things simpler, I'm not going to come up with 300 million different labels for each and every person. Broad generalizations have their advantages and disadvantages.

I could use another label that would probably be more comprehensible to the 'other side'. Nationalism. Are all nationalists bad? When describing nationalism, is there a balanced approach? It has serious negative connotations, the same with Socialism; both of these labels have witnessed leaders, identified to those terms, who have killed hundreds of millions.



posted on Apr, 24 2017 @ 09:43 PM
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a reply to: GodEmperor

We lavk words that appropriatelt self identify negatively. For obvious reasons. So any attempt to create a label will almost always be poorly received as itll carry so much bagage with it.

Words are a terrible way to transmit information. But its the best we got, lossy as it is.

For now.



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