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Post-Modern American Liberalism

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posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 04:29 AM
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a reply to: JinMI

The biggest threat to the west isn't some foreign army, it's the socialist/marxist/progressive agenda being forced on the public from within.

edit on 21-4-2017 by Konduit because: (no reason given)




posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 05:15 AM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

The bread lines of the 1930's was not due to laissez faire capitalism, there are very few industries today that are 'unfettered'.

You are right, China is probably the number one foreign adversary that must be destroyed ever since the fall of the USSR.



posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 05:57 AM
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originally posted by: GodEmperor
a reply to: dfnj2015

The bread lines of the 1930's was not due to laissez faire capitalism, there are very few industries today that are 'unfettered'.

You are right, China is probably the number one foreign adversary that must be destroyed ever since the fall of the USSR.


The problems with our country are not rocket science. The lobbyists force the politicians to pass laws creating cartels and monopolies in exchange for campaign financing. With everyone shopping at the company store everyone is always broke. Every year the cartels and monopolies are making the purchasing power of the worker making the median wage less. The median worker's wage is now a poverty wage.

Everyone says we have too much socialism in this country. I don't see it. Wealth inequality is at all times highs. By what other measure do you think we have too much socialism if not income distribution? I don't think the solution to our countries problems will come from getting rid of social security. If we eliminated ALL federal taxes tomorrow, the cartels and monopolies would just raise prices to absorb any additional wage earning slack.

I'm not sure what the solution is to return to a more balanced system. I guess if CEOs would give decent wage increases then eventually the economy would start moving faster again. But I think today's crop of CEOs have no concept of enlightened self-interests

I think we have to be clear here. All our words about "liberalism" and "socialism" mean nothing. Money talks, everything else is just BS.



posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 06:06 AM
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originally posted by: Konduit
a reply to: JinMI

The biggest threat to the west isn't some foreign army, it's the socialist/marxist/progressive agenda being forced on the public from within.


The biggest threat, really?!?!

I would argue the biggest threat is the out of control military industrial complex bleeding the US treasury dry and accumulating more national debt that could ever be paid off. We dropped 23,000 bombs on five predominately Muslim countries in 2015. We dropped 28,000 in 2016. 2017 will be a new record. The US military is no longer under civilian control. No president or anyone else will ever be able to stop the bombing and reign in the military spending.



posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 06:25 AM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

You're right, which makes me question mass Islamic immigration and the rise of violent left-wing hate groups in the west like BLM and ANTIFA to militarize law enforcement and accelerate the police state.

These people are creating the conditions in which the military industrial complex that you described can flourish. America isn't the only nation dropping bombs, it's an international business and isn't going away anytime soon. The west is slated to be the next battleground.



posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 08:13 AM
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a reply to: GodEmperor




Young liberals are no longer taught American values: they are taught political correctness, taught to hate America, and themselves. This political abomination did not manifest itself overnight, it has taken generations of degrading societal norms. The family unit is the last bastion against this weaponized liberalism, and will soon fall as well.


Pretty much the same thing people were saying about protestors back in the 60s - minus the political correctness angle which still existed, but hadn't become a handle for some to cling to yet

So, what this is is just one more tiresome rant against stupid, unpatriotic, America hating liberal young people - and of course anyone that thinks like them


edit on 4/21/2017 by Spiramirabilis because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 08:28 AM
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a reply to: Spiramirabilis

I think a key difference here is cause and righteousness.

Civil rights protests were a very righteous endeavor. Nothing could have been more righteous.

What we see today....nothing like that. There is no righteousness, only squeak. For the most part, people are protesting and rioting over a thought. In the case of Trump, its over the thought of what a Trump presidency means/is. It can't be what his presidency is, because its not really anything yet.

Trans rights.....seems like we are just finding smaller and smaller minorities and trying to create rights around them. I wonder if we will ever get back to the ultimate minorities: individuals. I am the only "me" there is, and as a minority of 1, im hoping all these minority rights eventually leads back to individual rights.

Im not here to say the OP is 100% correct, i am here to say there are things worth discussion found within, because whats going on in America today just ain't gonna work long term.



posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 08:42 AM
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What we see today....nothing like that. There is no righteousness, only squeak.


You understand - there were many many people back then that said the exact same thing. It wasn't as if this country wasn't divided - and it wasn't as if people didn't try to dismiss those protestors or the things they protested. If we don't see the defense of civil rights as being important for everyone - no matter how small the group, or how little some care about them, then what is righteous? Nothing

A few years ago people were saying the same thing about gay rights. Human rights should mean everybody - but it doesn't

Democracy and the fight for freedom doesn't ever end. It's never finished. Our country doesn't get to find it's resting point and then relax because it's entirely possible to lose the whole thing. The entire dream. Keeping that ball in the air is pretty much the whole thing

Some of us do see the Trump presidency as a clear and present danger. I'm not going to even get into any of that here because there doesn't seem to be much point, but I hope you would trust me when I tell you that for me this is no small frivolous whiny uneducated unpatriotic thing. I don't need to be right, as in being a winner. This isn't about winning or losing an election. I won't be silent or complacent about the things I think are important

So, when I see a thread like this one - that sounds like propaganda and speaks to people directly that already agree with it's premise - I'm a gonna speak up

:-)


edit on 4/21/2017 by Spiramirabilis because: sigh...



posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 08:49 AM
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a reply to: Spiramirabilis

The thread is talking about the extreme, I think. Its the extreme of either side that represents them publicly through the daily drum of the media reporting individual actions.

The behviors that are driving this negative commentary are not something you support.


I think the whole thing would work better if the left would look to their left at their lunatics, and the right would look over to their right at their lunatics, and disavow them. Instead of feeling a need to defend them.

Ill never say someone doesn't have right, or even a duty, to peecefully assemble to seek out improved civil situations. But the rioting and violence.....i cannot and will not endorse. And onestly, that is all we really are talking about in these types of threads, not the normal people who are passionate about what is right.



posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 08:29 PM
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a reply to: Spiramirabilis

In the fight for democracy and freedom, you will only achieve one. Hillary won the popular vote, luckily this time around democracy lost. In a democracy the people have the power one day out of the year (or every four years), in a republic the people have power year round, if they ever wised up on how to use it. Democracy breeds stupidity, there is a reason America did not wholly embrace a democracy.

It's easy for the left to blame corporations for their woes, yet those people choose to buy their products, nobody is forcing them. That is why freedom and democracy cannot co-exist, giving the most people the right to decide what's best for everyone else, they choose what's easy.

Even the more tame and moderate liberals, they really have no clue what they are 'fighting' for. It's obvious you don't either, since you are fighting for contradictory ideals.
edit on 21-4-2017 by GodEmperor because: clarification



posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 08:49 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

I had a discussion with a friend a few weeks ago over the homeless situation. This is pretty much how it went:

She brought up something that our city was going to be starting a new program, to address the pan-handling problems by going up to each panhandler and asking them if they want to work a job for a day.

Apparently the program before didn't help alleviate the problem, I brought up a few points and questions.

Why would someone panhandling, making $30 bucks an hour doing so, want to work a job for $10 an hour for a day?
Why do these people deserve that job, when there are others who happen to not be homeless or panhandling not deserve a fair shake in getting those jobs?
Are there any other areas that have tried similar programs, and what was the success of these programs?

She had no idea, but I was a hater for raising these questions.

I then mentioned that a lot of cities were essentially criminalizing homelessness.

She responded by saying that this program was nothing like it, that they would be offered jobs because they wouldn't be able to panhandle anymore.

.... so panhandling will be illegal?

And I'm an evil hater for asking such a question, and I want the program to fail because I hate homeless people. Apparently I don't know what their lives are like, that most are homeless because of mental disorders.

Well, shouldn't the program address the mental health issue? Would there even be enough jobs to go around?

Oh boy am I an evil SOB.

Anyways, this went on, I would raise some points and I would be shut-down because I'm evil and don't care.

I managed to change the subject to how smart cars would expand into the whole of the transportation industry....

It seemed benign enough, nothing too political about technological advancement, right?

Well, I am already branded an evil hater so any thoughts on any subject are just plain wrong and evil.

I would hate to get caught in a discussion with a more radical leftist, I can guarantee speaking my views would get me hurt or worse.



posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 09:39 PM
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a reply to: GodEmperor

Nothing you say will change her mind, so why are you bothering? The only other reasons are all self serving. Im sure nothing in your experience leads you to believe that you would change her opinion. In fact, science is showing us why (identity politics taps into the same neural circuitry that religious belief and self identity use).

I would say you're best bet is to simply smile and exit. Unless futile arguing is something you want to do.

back before the internet, we only shared our politics in the voting booth, because its an incendiary topic.



posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 11:50 PM
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It wasn't the inability to change her mind, it was the utter lack of knowledge over the topic. I could understand someone being adamant in their position when actually versed on the subject matter. A good comparison would be that of the Catholic congregations of the dark ages, mostly illiterate and only understanding what they were told to believe by the priest(media). The left is told to believe or support this cause because 'it is good', but there is no explanation as to why other than if you don't believe as the left does you are a heretic.



posted on Apr, 22 2017 @ 07:59 AM
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The behviors that are driving this negative commentary are not something you support.

True

The passion and the level of righteousness? How about those? :-)

Most people don't support the extremes. But the extremes and the violence have nothing to so with the level of passion involved with the protests. On the one hand we have people that are working to make it all look like the same thing (those protests and the violence), and others that want to say that it's all about nothing

Whenever people join to fight what they believe is wrong, there is an element that works very hard to make that group seem irrelevant

It's funny on the surface of it :-)
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posted on Apr, 22 2017 @ 08:03 AM
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Even the more tame and moderate liberals, they really have no clue what they are 'fighting' for. It's obvious you don't either, since you are fighting for contradictory ideals.

What are my contradictory ideals then Emperor? Do you think you know? Do you actually claim to know?

Well, of course you do. It's more obvious that it's an easy thing to say - which you do. I know you have plenty that will agree with you. Still, just saying it doesn't make it so

This is about more than just Americans now - protesting to protect something precious. This is now worldwide

But you knew that - didn't you :-)
edit on 4/22/2017 by Spiramirabilis because: an s :-)



posted on Apr, 22 2017 @ 08:10 AM
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originally posted by: GodEmperor
a reply to: Swills
It's only my opinion based on empirical evidence of current and historical events.
No emotional states were involved.
Sorry, the vocabulary that you use in the post belies your so-called emotional detachment.
Fail...just another hit piece. Why bother?



posted on Apr, 22 2017 @ 08:29 AM
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a reply to: Spiramirabilis

Of course I know, because you already stated it: 'democracy and the fight for freedom'.

Or rather, the freedom of the majority to tell the rest how to live, conform or die.



posted on Apr, 22 2017 @ 08:30 AM
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a reply to: GodEmperor


The post-modern liberal has no real grasp on reality, their pampered lifestyle and 'enlightened' professors have created a true monster, a group wholly embracing of Communism through violence. Even the moderate Democrat, who may not directly partake in violence, will ignore it's happening and actually come to the defense of these groups.

The new liberal, the post-modern liberal, is nothing like their predecessors. We are experiencing the aftermath of the long dead Communist nation's ultimate weapon.

Rubbish.
Ridiculous.

Try talking to us. And our kids. You could not be further from the truth.
Whatever led you to this line of thinking?? TRUMP is a Russian sycophant. YOU PEOPLE are the ones denying that the Russians are trying to interfere with us. The 'peacers' have raised their children, who are now highly educated, tuned in to reality and sophisticated on world events unlike anything their parents (we Boomers) had a chance to be.

The internet is the means. Conspiracy Theorists are the toxin. Hideous logic and blanket indictment of an entire generation.
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posted on Apr, 22 2017 @ 09:14 AM
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Or rather, the freedom of the majority to tell the rest how to live, conform or die.

See - this is a very good example of why we can't have nice things (my new favorite saying) :-)

Incendiary - and nothing but opinion

You have no idea what I'm even on about. You're only here to put words in the mouths of people you don't know so that you can claim they don't know what they're talking about, that their feelings are irrelevant and misguided, and their motive is nefarious

You are entitled to your opinion, but regardless - peeps are gonna be in the streets no matter what. Pretending you understand why only soothes you - and those people who agree with you. It changes nothing



posted on Apr, 22 2017 @ 11:50 AM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

TO be fair, you are on a conspiracy theorist site. im not sure how much agreement you will get on the "toxin" thing, mostly because the Russia thing is a conspiracy as well. An unproven one to date, unless you trust the CIA still. I have no reason to, so I don't.

Seems we are in a catch 22, with no trustworthy authority left to look to. No wonder people are in the streets..what, exactly, is truth anymore?




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