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Post-Modern American Liberalism

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posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 08:44 PM
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I was reading through some comments discussing left-wing protests of today and comparing them to the 1960's political movements. It has become obvious that these political groups, while being labeled the same, reveal stark differences in their belief system. The Cold War era liberal has evolved over the decades, through natural and artificial processes. What I mean by this is that while beliefs have changed with the times, these beliefs have been guided by America's old nemesis, the Soviet Union. While the USSR no longer exists as a nation, the weaponization of liberalism still persists.

The Cold War was not a physical war between nations, it was fought through proxies yes, but the main theme of the Cold War was psychological. The USSR employed agents, who infiltrated American institutions such as the colleges and universities. This may sound fantastical, but it should be considered for a moment. There was absolutely no way the Soviet Union could defeat America in a conventional war, even through the use of nuclear weapons. The USSR was ingenious in what it did, using American freedom against us, and shaping a political ideology diametrically opposed to American values.

Young liberals are no longer taught American values: they are taught political correctness, taught to hate America, and themselves. This political abomination did not manifest itself overnight, it has taken generations of degrading societal norms. The family unit is the last bastion against this weaponized liberalism, and will soon fall as well.

I will attest, the civil rights movement was righteous, it was probably the last political movement with true justification for its' purpose. The transition began during the Vietnam war, how an anti-war movement became infiltrated and evolved into a free-love hippy fest. The 'peacers' were only phase 1 of the weaponization of liberalism, the Soviet Communist did not think like an American. Their goals spanned generations, the question was: if we shape this ideology to a bunch of free-love hippies, what will their children grow up to believe, and their children after that? What will this political ideology transform into over the decades?

We now see the result of these efforts. The post-modern liberal has no real grasp on reality, their pampered lifestyle and 'enlightened' professors have created a true monster, a group wholly embracing of Communism through violence. Even the moderate Democrat, who may not directly partake in violence, will ignore it's happening and actually come to the defense of these groups.

The new liberal, the post-modern liberal, is nothing like their predecessors. We are experiencing the aftermath of the long dead Communist nation's ultimate weapon. This is our new normal, warm weather heralds the violent liberal storm, but we will overcome.
edit on 20-4-2017 by GodEmperor because: spacing




posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 08:50 PM
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a reply to: GodEmperor

Oh yay! Another anti Liberal hate thread on ATS! How fresh and original!!!!

Great thread! S&F!!!!!!!1111111



posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 08:54 PM
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a reply to: Swills

It's only my opinion based on empirical evidence of current and historical events.

No emotional states were involved.


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posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 08:57 PM
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a reply to: GodEmperor

I hate that they even claim the term "liberal" when they support authoritarian dictates.



posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 08:59 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: GodEmperor

I hate that they even claim the term "liberal" when they support authoritarian dictates.


Myself as well.

They're progressives. although they only use the term between themselves.

Let's just tell it like it is... an actual liberal has nothing to do with the current batch of Marxists.



posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 08:59 PM
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a reply to: GodEmperor

I remember watching the video that I think you are pertaining to. Given the state of the world today and how fast information ...evolves? I find it extremely hard to believe.

I mean 3 centuries to cultivate with the foresight to see exactly how everything would play out post USSR. It just screams cheesy spy movie.

Instead, I would conversely contest that the current extreme prog/liberal is guided by something much more modern and that would be akin to group think and virtue signaling that I believe stemmed from the 90's PSA's about race relations and equality. A new type of racism is being borne from that lunacy and we are seeing it in real time.

An example would be a group of people speaking for another without their input or personal views from which their opinions form. A second would be how minuscule factions represent an entire body. This is a dangerous pretext to allow and keep viewing. It allows any sort of authoritarian administration to crush out it's detractors with very limited actual information and evidence. Party lines and labels need not apply.



posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 09:04 PM
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originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: GodEmperor

Oh yay! Another anti Liberal hate thread on ATS! How fresh and original!!!!

Great thread! S&F!!!!!!!1111111


What is there to like?
edit on 20-4-2017 by infolurker because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 09:17 PM
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a reply to: GodEmperor

I go to a very ultra liberal college in LA and I had a professor who although hates Trump and is not a conspiracy theorist (Will laugh at you if you deny climate change) told me that the Coastal Liberal Elite are very dangerous.

He mentions how they seem to have a disdain for working class whites and pandered to minorities.

He also acknowledge that political correctness is a thing and that New York Times has a very liberal bias.

However, he told me if he openly express his views he will lose his job.

I also have another professor who told me that he will lose his job if he kept criticizing Radical Islam and what's interesting is he actually experienced the dangers of Radical Islam firsthand during the Iranian Revolution when Ayatollah's men hunted him down. He managed to escaped fortunately but that event made him realize how dangerous Radical Islam is.
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posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 09:20 PM
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originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: GodEmperor

Oh yay! Another anti Liberal hate thread on ATS! How fresh and original!!!!

Great thread! S&F!!!!!!!1111111


It was actually quite original and insightful regardless if you agree with him or not. I myself am a liberal, whatever that even means, but see with me I don't associate myself with any group. I only represent myself and what I believe to be liberalism. It's just as easy as following my heart and wherever it takes me, so be it.

You seem to have no problem with "another" anti-trump threads and actually participate in them spewing the same old rhetoric.

Btw didnt you say Trump supporters shouldn't be allowed to vote?



posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 09:24 PM
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a reply to: JinMI

No idea what video you are referring to, would be interesting to see though.

It's difficult to imagine this new political movement as anything but artificial.



posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 09:26 PM
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a reply to: GodEmperor

Surprised. You described it pretty well.

Here it is.



posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 09:41 PM
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a reply to: Swills

Honestly, you'll only feel "bashed" if you ascribe to group think partisanship.

If you don't, you should be able to readily recognize some of the truth contained in the OP, as well as find a few points to challenge, which I think are incorrect. Do you believe that some of the stuff we see from the extreme left (or right, if that were the topic here) is appropriate and worthy of support? If not, then why not discuss it, instead of shout down discussion about it?

 


OP, interesting take. Charlotte Iserbyte alleges that Reagan struck a deal with the USSR (or Reagan implemented strategy arising from a deal handed him by Bush as his handler at the CIA). If you're interested in her tale.


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posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 09:55 PM
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originally posted by: GodEmperor
I was reading through some comments discussing left-wing protests of today and comparing them to the 1960's political movements. It has become obvious that these political groups, while being labeled the same, reveal stark differences in their belief system.


They're a whole nother trip from just 10 years ago.




posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 09:56 PM
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Ridiculous premise that's not even close to being feasible.

Now what's suspicious is how the entire right wing changed their view of "the enemy" Russia almost overnight for Trump, and we now know that almost his entire administration has ties to them. There's a real conspiracy.



posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 10:33 PM
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originally posted by: CB328
Ridiculous premise that's not even close to being feasible.

Now what's suspicious is how the entire right wing changed their view of "the enemy" Russia almost overnight for Trump, and we now know that almost his entire administration has ties to them. There's a real conspiracy.


You dismiss the OP's premise with no reasoning as to why, and then completely change the subject to something anti-Trump. Another one-trick pony that keeps trotting round the ring in the same droppings as the day before.

I find the OP's observations to be thought-provoking, and I do agree with the majority of it. It is not too much of a stretch of the imagination to think that perhaps the Russians had planned this out for a long time. Americans tend to be more short-sighted and more in the here and now. Americans are checkers. Russians are chess.

Kruschev stated that Russia will bury the US. Maybe he didn't mean then.....but much later.



posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 10:43 PM
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You dismiss the OP's premise with no reasoning as to why


Because it's ridiculous and has no evidence?

It shouldn't be too hard to understand that a completely baseless and bloody war like Viet Nam would cause a backlash among the people. The same thing happened during the Iraq war.

Not to mention that after living through times where everyone was expected to conform and be the same people would decide to rebel. It's human nature.



posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 10:58 PM
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originally posted by: GreyScale

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: GodEmperor

I hate that they even claim the term "liberal" when they support authoritarian dictates.


Myself as well.

They're progressives. although they only use the term between themselves.

Let's just tell it like it is... an actual liberal has nothing to do with the current batch of Marxists.


This is a very important distinction. There are far too many people on these boards who talk about anyone left of centre like this. It's like calling all Cons KKK.



posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 11:59 PM
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a reply to: GodEmperor

RE: "Young liberals are no longer taught American values: "

What the hell do you people want? Wealth inequality is at all time highs. We are about as far away from communism or socialism as you can get and still have a government currency with any shred of value. How bad can taxes be if every year the rich get richer and the workers making the median worker's wage are driven deeper and deeper into a poverty wage. When will enough be enough? We basically have economic slavery in this country. Here's the proof:

www.youtube.com...

How much wealth inequality will be enough? I don't think you right wingers will be happy until we have forced labor camps like Auschwitz during WWII. Oh wait, we already have forced labor camps in today's corporate prisons.

I don't know what's left? Again, what more do you people want? Oh wait, I forgot. We need to get rid of all FDR programs like social security and medicaid. God forbid we have any social safety nets. Who cares if grandma ends up on the street because her kids are dead or don't care. The Republican vision of America has no compassion and 100% of discretionary spending goes to military industrial complex. How much MORE do you want??????

Please listen my comrades because I bring good news. Marx said laissez faire capitalism is always followed by communism because with capitalism unfettered greed would result in a government's currency collapse. Once the government's currency collapses, people in bread lines will demand MORE government not less. See you in the bread lines comrades!

But do not worry my comrades, I have more good news! As soon as the Chinese Yuan is allowed to float freely against the dollar, ALL our CEO jobs will be outsourced. Then the sons and daughters of privilege will have to grovel at the feet of the communist Chinese. The Chinese have an N word for white people, "gwai lo". It's a pejorative term meaning white ghost. But do not worry my comrades, the gwai lo children of privilege will be groveling like dogs at the feet of their Chinese masters.

Bernie Sanders had huge numbers of people at his rallies for a reason. The reasons are only going to become stronger. Sanders would have won by a landslide if Hillary did not steal the primaries:

"Election Justice USA Study Finds that Without Election Fraud Sanders Would Have Won by Landslide"

"Election Justice USA finds that Bernie Sanders lost an estimated 184 delegates to Election Fraud"

www.dailykos.com...

I get it. Having the label "liberal" is like being called a "Jew" in WWII Germany. Everyone needs a good label so we can get our hate on. But Sander's populism is not going to go away. Populist rhetoric like this isn't going away anytime soon:

"An old English judge once said: 'Necessitous men are not free men.' Liberty requires opportunity to make a living - a living decent according to the standard of the time, a living which gives man not only enough to live by, but something to live for.

For too many of us the political equality we once had won was meaningless in the face of economic inequality. A small group had concentrated into their own hands an almost complete control over other people's property, other people's money, other people's labor - other people's lives. For too many of us life was no longer free; liberty no longer real; men could no longer follow the pursuit of happiness.

Against economic tyranny such as this, the American citizen could appeal only to the organized power of government."

Tyranny such as this! It's no wonder Bernie was so popular!

Taxes can't be too high because every year wealth inequality keeps increasing. God save us!


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posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 02:55 AM
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originally posted by: CB328



You dismiss the OP's premise with no reasoning as to why


Because it's ridiculous and has no evidence?

It shouldn't be too hard to understand that a completely baseless and bloody war like Viet Nam would cause a backlash among the people. The same thing happened during the Iraq war.

Not to mention that after living through times where everyone was expected to conform and be the same people would decide to rebel. It's human nature.


Remember it wasn't just a war, there was a draft going on, and people were drafted to fight combat as infantry, not to fly drones. Vietnam vets saw some #. The #ed up part was protesters protested the vets too. The protesting ended the war. After the war was over, the left just kept looking for other things to protest. They had made great progress with civil rights for African Americans and continued down the list of oppressed groups. I think they went wrong by fighting for each individual form of oppression, rather than working to unify everyone.

That weird disdain for the working class did not come from the hippie movement. I don't think it has anything to do with politics, I think at its core the upper middle class is trying to convince itself that it deserves everything it has, and all the other people who's only disadvantage was poverty just don't deserve to be as wealthy. If they admit that it's actually poverty holding people down (not just color, gender, etc.) then they also have to admit they, too are oppressors. It has nothing to do with Russia. The US government did plenty to fracture the hippie movement through infiltration. If you want the real conspiracy, look up COINTELPRO.



posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 04:11 AM
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a reply to: anotheramethyst

The social justice movement of the 60's/70's accomplished everything they set out to do. We got gender equality, pro-choice, ended segregation and institutionalized racism etc. and got laws passed to protect these freedoms.

Now it's just struggling to keep itself relevant. It invents outrage and nurtures division of race/gender/religion in an attempt to recreate the conditions they were once fighting against as a means to justify their own existence. One step forward, two steps back.



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