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The Executive Air Affair

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posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 01:50 AM
a reply to: smurfy

I will allow Mr Ing to give advice on making Runes for under $10 though...they might work

lol... I am starting to doubt even that :-)


posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 02:00 AM
a reply to: F4guy

There is an RKR Corporation in Denver. It is a small plumbing supply company and most certainly is not a "top 100" US corp

Haha, I found that company also when doing the initial fact checking, but I assumed that it was just a placeholder name to keep the actual company out of it. I am getting bs vibes as well, but I can live with just this detail.

But, as others have pointed out above, there are many other iffy details.

I guess if we were to identify the actual plane it would have to be a Citation belonging to a international telecom company, which I believe was described to be blue and gold. And prior to 2007.

However, since even the FOIA documents seem to be fictional, I don't know how much point there is to checking up on this.


posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 03:14 AM
Well, I guess some of us can't help ourselves, so I did a little more light digging in an idle sort of way.

Apparently, and according to the authors own website he has been featured on numerous TV and radio channels. CNN among them. There is a quote from one Laura Boast with Discovery Channel, which it turns out is a real person who worked as a segment producer for Discovery Channel Canada from 2005 to 2013, according to LinkedIn

And yes, he has indeed been on television as a Forensic Intelligence Expert. On the Business News Network.

Here he is again, as a security expert, on CBS News

Mr Ing seems also, as has already been mentioned, to have an above average interest in both the paranormal and the occult. I find it a bit curious how often the occult and the ufo phenomenon seem to crop up together.

Aleister Crowley's watch, no less.

So, the question then remains, if one is a bona fide Forensic Intelligence Expert, why would one publish a story in a book that has such fatal flaws? I am quite puzzled by this author.


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posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 03:19 AM
His "doctorates" are from Knightsbridge, an infamous diploma mill.

posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 03:44 AM
a reply to: Bedlam

So, what you are saying is that the media is not so thorough when it comes to checking the credentials of their "experts" :-)

To be fair, what he claims in his "story" is just that he was hired to check the aircraft for bugs and other electronic devices (as well as explosives I believe), but he gives no record of which company he has worked for so this is again somewhat of a dead end.

I am curious, however, about this so called ADVIS system that he describes. Does it even exist? I know there are optical systems in many military planes, of course, but a system that auto-id's planes from registration numbers and general shape, would it have any merit? If you don't have any means of engaging an unknown "threat", what would be the point of having such a system on a transport plane? I think this is also a bit weird, as is so much else in this tale.

Any input?


posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 05:45 AM
a reply to: beetee

Well, even the military used to turn a blind eye to it until a bunch of officers in Huntsville at the arsenal got caught with doctorates from Trinity College and University, including Bearden.

It's an on again off again thing. But they do screen for it now. When I see people that are sort of on the cranky side of things claiming doctorates, the first question I ask is do you actually have one, in this case no. The second would be "in what" as many have humanities degrees trying to claim expertise in physics. It rarely crosses over.

But in this case, it's clearly a diploma mill.

Next, ADVIS was a real system, but it's used to collect low res multispectral ground imagery. Mostly to get an idea of how crops were doing or if you were planting dope.
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posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 06:17 AM
a reply to: Bedlam

Well, even the military used to turn a blind eye to it

Hehe, yes, but to put someone on the screen as an "expert" withouth verifying credentials is a bit more severe, in my opinion, than just ignoring a few "doctorates" at an arsenal :-)

Maybe I have to much faith in journalism...

ADVIS was a real system, but it's used to collect low res multispectral ground imagery.

The claim here, I believe, is that it is used to aid in aircraft identification, as a supplement to transponders and radar. The system, allegedly, functions by automatically panning cameras on a target guided by the planes radar and other instruments, and a computer will then try to match the registration numbers and characteristics to a (presumably) onboard database.

Now, I find this quite far fetched, if not totally unfeasible. I have found a aviation related project for automatic identification in a few research proposals, but then it is suggested used for identifying aircraft on the ground at airports. Using OCR, which is a technology that is troublesome at the best of times, is not something you would want to make decisions automatically on threat scenarios. At least, I would not.

I guess the idea of an identification system of this kind on a business jet seems a bit pointless to me. I mean, what is the point of knowing what plane is within visual range, if you have no offensive capability? If it is going to take you down, you are well done for in that situation anyway. So, it seems a bit "stupid" to be honest. If you were chasing after smugglers in a Coast Guard plane, yes! But on a corporate business jet?

I have found examples of countermeasures that can be installed in this type of aircraft, or at least similar types, such as Matador from BAE systems. Even an israeli CAEW&C system that can be installed in a Gulfstream. But ADVIS seems just a bit too useless to cram into such a plane, just so you will know who are shortly going to blow you out of the sky.

Thank you for your input. Much appreciated :-)


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posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 08:39 PM
Altitudes are always MSL (above mean sea level). DEN is 5430 MSL, so 7000 is pretty low.

But even if it were 7000 AGL (Above Ground Level) that's still REALLY low for a turbine powered aircraft.

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