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Toyota Rolls Out Hydrogen Semi Ahead Of Tesla's Electric Truck

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posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 12:58 PM
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I stumbled upon this earlier today and thought to myself, "that settles that hydrogen can fuel vehicles". I'm not a an engineer but I do remember reading up on the Hydrogen kits that were being sold to improve gas mileage in automobiles. it was unbelievable how many claimed that it worked, and of course, there were just as many people saying that they did not work.

Does this mean that today's auto makers are ready to stop the disinfo on potential advances that could help everyone? I can only wish, but first I'd like to see if this is the real deal.




posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 01:02 PM
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I'm curious as to what would happen if the electrical system malfunctioned. Would it be like getting tasered by ten cops at once? 100? Or even more if this thing produces 670 HP.



posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 01:06 PM
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Don't you just love progress ?

Putting OTR drivers out of work. Smart trucks that drive themselves soon.

Putting oil rig workers out of work.

All in the name of saving the planet!
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posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 01:12 PM
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Not sure how OTR drivers would be impacted by this, but it does happen all the time. VCR repair, the auto worker, Mc Donalds employees, new tech pushes people out of their safety zone and makes them learn something new to become viable in the workforce once again. It has been happening for years.



posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 01:23 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
Don't you just love progress ?

Putting OTR drivers out of work. Smart trucks that drive themselves soon.

Putting oil rig workers out of work.

All in the name of saving the planet!



Some people have the idea that automation will give mankind more time to think about expanding our understanding of the universe.

I just see people out of work.



posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 01:25 PM
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a reply to: QuietSpeech

Increased fuel efficiency means less workers needed.

Less Trucks on the road.

People out of work.

People that can't afford specialized training.

The list goes on.

There are no silver bullets.

As tech progress's people lose jobs.



posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 01:25 PM
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a reply to: QuietSpeech

HHO is not the same thing as HFC. The problem with HFC is how to refuel the cell. Objectively speaking, more carbon might end up going into the creation of the hydrogen than would be released by using gasoline. It would another worthless boondoggle like 10% ethanol.

HHO works with existing gasoline engines but for the most part it seems to be just a scam.



posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 01:29 PM
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a reply to: QuietSpeech

I have a few questions about the article.

First.
200 mile range with hydrogen? For a big rig.
Did I read that wrong?

Second.
Zero emission? Maybe at the exhaust.
Did they factor in the cost both monetary and in electricity use needed to make hydrogen?



posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 02:08 PM
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a reply to: Bluntone22

On the "Second" part I was wondering the same thing.

There are two ways to make hydrogen. One involves gasoline (I think, it is some kind of hydrocarbon) which produces CO2. The other method is splitting water. If you use electricity from the grid, you are still polluting the environment. The best option there is off-grid production using solar panels. The problem there is efficiency, oxygen storage, and keeping hydrogen from mixing with oxygen (BOOM!). Unless there is some new method of creating hydrogen I don't know about I'm not sure this ready for prime time, wide spread use.

But it is a start.



posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 02:58 PM
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originally posted by: neo96

Putting OTR drivers out of work. Smart trucks that drive themselves soon.


that reminds me of the new film logan there is a scene they show smart trucks driving on the highway, tons of them, no cab, just the trailer, driving itself.

when i saw it i realized it was just their interpretation of where trucking is heading in the near future and i couldnt disagree


in the movie the trucks became hostile momentarily, perhaps thats the conspiratorial angle, automated vehicles can be hacked....


originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: QuietSpeech

200 mile range with hydrogen? For a big rig.
Did I read that wrong?

may seem short to an american but overseas thats long range, also, is a 200 mile stop a big deal if your just looking to fill it with water rather then gasoline?


Second.
Zero emission? Maybe at the exhaust.
Did they factor in the cost both monetary and in electricity use needed to make hydrogen?

no of course they wouldnt factor those in, those factors are the responsibility of wherever you get the energy from. they are only required to measure what the vehicle itself produces


originally posted by: Bluntone22
Some people have the idea that automation will give mankind more time to think about expanding our understanding of the universe.
I just see people out of work.


both true, it starts with putting people out of work. it becomes mankind exploring the stars after a socialist movement gets more funds/taxes from corporations who use automation to pay the wages of the unemployed. at least thats the idea, in practice it could just destroy us, after all the corporations control the gov and they'll never vote to tax themselves....
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posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 03:04 PM
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a reply to: NobodiesNormal

That is the future, and it's been in more movies than I can count.

The expanse is another great example.

For all the advancements of technology.

The majority of Earthlings live in poverty, and are unemployed.


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posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 03:07 PM
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well if the range is only 200 miles i would say otr drivers have nothing to worry about.

i get why people are worried. as tech advances people lose jobs. people gain jobs as well.

fields advance and people have been losing jobs as # progresses for decades man...

i still believe if youre not a moron and have a good work ethic there is work out there for you....my opinion based on what i see



posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 03:07 PM
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as much as i despise the idea of socialism, it is a fact that now and more so in future there are and will be less jobs then there are people, we will have to adopt some facets of socialism to survive automation...



posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 03:08 PM
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a reply to: NobodiesNormal

Or start taxing robots.




posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 03:23 PM
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a reply to: QuietSpeech

What you say is true, but with the advancement of AI it is going to be happening much more quickly and be exponentially more widespread. It is an issue that we, as a society, should confront now before we end up with Hoovervilles again.



posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 03:25 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
Don't you just love progress ?

Putting OTR drivers out of work. Smart trucks that drive themselves soon.

Putting oil rig workers out of work.

All in the name of saving the planet!


Uh... well, yeah. I do.

Have fun in your coal-powered fossil fuel wasteland on your own time. You share this planet.



posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 03:31 PM
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My pickup only has a 200 mile range, and now that I don't live in the city it isn't enough.
Filling up a few times a week isn't fun.



posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 03:34 PM
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a reply to: Abysha

It took $100,000 to make just one Chevy Volt that sold for under $40k.

How much do you think its going to cost to make trucks like in the op ?

Have fun increasing debt, and making goods so expensive no one can afford them.



posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 03:37 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: NobodiesNormal

Or start taxing robots.



how is that an "Or"?
taxing robots means taxing the companies using the robots which is literally exactly what i said.
and what do you do with those taxes? it seems your implying theyd be given to the workforce made unemployed by such robots, which is the very facet of socialism i was referring too. i mean you just repeated what i said as if it was an alternative to what i said.

confused...

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posted on Apr, 20 2017 @ 03:39 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Abysha

It took $100,000 to make just one Chevy Volt that sold for under $40k.

How much do you think its going to cost to make trucks like in the op ?

Have fun increasing debt, and making goods so expensive no one can afford them.


When horses were first domesticated, only the elite could have them. Same with cars, computers, televisions, phones.

Just because the early evolution of a technology is what you're staring at, it doesn't mean it stays static. Your perception doesn't have some sort of freeze ray that locks progress into one crappy iteration without improvement.

Your day-to-day must be dismal.







 
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