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originally posted by: whereislogic
... since some people don't want to get anywhere near this information, acknowledge it as being factual/certain/true/unambiguous/clear, certainly not talk about it in that manner or draw attention to it, or respond to it in any rational or honest manner when they are talking about their God and their theology on forums such as this one. Can't have people waking up to these enemies of God on a conspiracy site of course:
Jeremiah 23:27a (KJB):
Which think to cause my people to forget my name...
They intend to make my people forget my name...
who intend to make My people forget My name...
A Handmaiden of the Soviet State
Regarding the relationship between the Orthodox Church and the Soviets, Life magazine of September 14, 1959, observed: “Stalin gave some concessions to religion, and the church treated him like a czar. Orthodoxy’s collaboration is ensured by a special government ministry and the Communists have utilized the church ever since as an arm of the Soviet state.”
Matthew Spinka, an authority on Russian church affairs, confirmed the existence of a close Church-State relationship in his 1956 book, The Church in Soviet Russia. “The present Patriarch Alexei,” he wrote, “has deliberately made his Church a tool of the government.” Indeed, the Orthodox Church, in effect, survived by becoming a handmaiden of the State. ‘But is that so reprehensible?’ you may ask. Well, consider how God and Christ view the matter.
Jesus Christ said of his true disciples: “You are no part of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world.” And God’s Word pointedly asks: “Adulteresses, do you not know that the friendship with the world is enmity with God?” (John 15:19; James 4:4) Thus, as the Bible presents it, the church made itself a religious harlot with whom “the kings of the earth committed fornication.” It has shown itself to be part of what the Bible calls “Babylon the Great, the mother of the harlots and of the disgusting things of the earth.”—Revelation 17:1-6.
How Politics Affected Preachers
The idea that God would use churchmen as politicians was promoted especially by Augustine, an influential fifth-century Catholic theologian. He envisioned the church ruling over the nations and bringing peace to mankind. But historian H. G. Wells wrote: “The history of Europe from the fifth century onward to the fifteenth is very largely the history of the failure of this great idea of a divine world government to realize itself in practice.” Christendom did not bring peace even to Europe, much less to the world. What had been thought of as being Christianity lost its standing in the eyes of many. What went wrong?
Many who claimed to preach Christianity were drawn into politics with good intentions, but then they found themselves participating in evil. Martin Luther, a preacher and a translator of the Bible, is famous for his efforts to reform the Catholic Church. However, his bold stand against church doctrines made him popular with those who had political motives for rebellion. Luther lost the respect of many when he too began to speak out on political issues. Initially he favored the peasants who were rebelling against oppressive nobles. Then, when the rebellion turned savage, he encouraged the nobles to crush the rebellion, which they did, butchering thousands. Not surprisingly, the peasants considered him a traitor. Luther also encouraged the nobles in their own rebellion against the Catholic emperor. In fact, Protestants, as Luther’s followers came to be known, formed a political movement from the beginning. How did power affect Luther? It corrupted him. For example, although he at first opposed coercing religious dissidents, he later encouraged his political friends to execute by burning those who opposed infant baptism.
John Calvin was a famous clergyman in Geneva, but he came to have enormous political influence as well. When Michael Servetus demonstrated that the Trinity has no basis in Scripture, Calvin used his political influence to support the execution of Servetus, who was burned at the stake. What a horrific departure from Jesus’ teachings!
Perhaps these men forgot what the Bible says at 1 John 5:19: “The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.” Did they have a sincere desire to clean up the politics of their day, or was it the prospect of power and of having friends in high places that attracted them? In any case, they should have remembered the inspired words of Jesus’ disciple James: “Do you not know that the friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is constituting himself an enemy of God.” (James 4:4) James knew that Jesus had said of his followers: “They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world.”—John 17:14.
Even so, while recognizing that Christians should be no part of the world’s badness, many object to being politically neutral, truly “no part of the world.” They claim that such neutrality prevents Christians from actively showing love for others. They believe that church leaders should speak out and play a role in combating corruption and injustice. But is the neutrality that Jesus taught really incompatible with active concern for others? Can a Christian keep separate from divisive political issues and at the same time provide practical help for others? The following article analyzes these questions.
Politics has been defined as “the activities associated with the governance of a country or area, especially the debate or conflict between individuals or parties having or hoping to achieve power.”—The New Oxford Dictionary of English.
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Church leaders compromised with rulers, such as Emperor Constantine, to receive political power
“Do not be loving either the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.” (1 John 2:15) The world and its fleshly spirit stand in opposition to Jehovah and his holy spirit. Hence, Christ’s true followers do not merely refrain from being a part of the world. They reject it at heart, knowing that as the disciple James wrote, “friendship with the world is enmity with God.”—Jas. 4:4.
Now out of all of this I want you to note that Ehrman will not venture into the OT which, by the way, must also be judged in the same manner as that of the NT. (by his standards). He will not ague the OT because he knows better than try to argue the very same tactics he used on the NT when the DSS will prove him a liar and atheist. It would be impossible to argue corrupt copy of OT when in fact for over two thousand years it has proven him wrong even without his autographs,
In real life the AV bible has undergone more critical observation than any other piece of literature in this world and has been proven to be the inspired words of God.
When you study the word Eschew as a Noun, an Adjective, or a Verb you will see that it has more than one meaning. Its main meaning it is "to Turn off or from" it also means "to dislike", and it can also be interpreted as "Hate, Shun, Abhor". It can mean some one is "disgusted by something", "Doesn't meddle in it", "doesn't rub elbows with it" or "wink at it".
Job 1:8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
Proverbs 25:2 (corrected translation)
"It is the glory of God to conceal the Word, and it is the glory of kings to seek the Word"
Psalm 12:5 AV
For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the LORD; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him.
Psalm 12:6 AV
The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Psalm 12:7 AV
Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
Secondly, im quite sure Dr. Ehrman knows the OT just as well as he knows the NT... being a "professor" of religious studies... and a former Christian pastor.... fundamentalist... not to mention an historian... and i highly doubt he would be proven a liar in any case... or an atheist for that matter. I do believe he has a book on the authorship of the books in the bible as well Seed... clearly you just don't like the man... just admit it, because you're just spewing nonsense now This video isn't about the OT so why would he even bring it up?
I do not doubt that Ehrman knows the OT as well as the NT. But that is the problem. He doesn't know the NT. To know the NT is to understand the NT and he has confessed many times that he does no understand what he spent many years trying to learn.
The basic teaching of Jesus is to understand suffering. It is taught throughout the entire OT and NT. It went over his head simply because foremost he is an atheist and being an atheist he has absolutely no clue as to what he teaches.
You have stated that - " i highly doubt he would be proven a liar in any case... or an atheist for that matter."
Need I say any more?
You see Akragon, that you cannot believe that which you don't understand and If you cannot understand then you cannot teach that which do not understand.
He does not teach people that which is the subject matter but instead he tears down and tries to destroy that which he does not believe. Example - the very 1st minute of one lecture that I listened to was that he inferred that the entire literature of the NT was of no value.
That was his entire lecture all condensed in that very first one minute. There was nothing more to be learned because he offered nothing more from academia. He offers nothing but negativity because he does not understand and he is a complete atheist.
Meaning he doesn't understand why he spent so much time teaching Christianity... when as soon as he actually learned what the earliest texts contain, he figured out a lot of it was simply not true. i can relate... but again, to say he doesn't understand what he once preached is totally ignorant. Though you are welcome to your opinions.
Well for one thing, he isn't an Atheist... He is an agnostic, and if you've followed him for so long as you say, you should know this... He IS an atheist when it comes to Christianity... and for that matter so am i... even though i am most definitely not an atheist. Just as you are most likely an atheist when it comes to the gods of other religions
You would best to use 1john 1:9 yourself or better yet the one Peter gave Simon in Act 8:22
Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal the word, but the glory of kings is to search out the word.