a reply to: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Seede This is one thing they forget that Ancient Hebrew is not the same as Modern Hebrew or Paleo Hebrew. Even Masoretic Hebrew is
different than modern and all of them come from different times when Hebrew was being destroyed by their captors. We are talking of four different
types of Hebrew being displayed today. Even the Masoretic Hebrew cannot be verified to be original language seeing those copies are unverifiable.
I'll stick to the English of the AV seeing it is God's preserved word into English. I take it on faith in God and study it in my own language.
Yes, you beat me to my next question. I asked this question many times to rabbinic sources and have yet to get a straight answer. In fact the
original Torah was written in Paleo Script with Hebrew language or so it is believed. Yet Daniel (which is not Torah) was written in Aramaic. Both
are gathered into one set of literature with many arguments of which you must be a scholar in order to sort out. So I have asked, many times, the
different scholars of the three main denominations of the Jews, who then is correct and is there character difference in meaning of the two or more
characters in Torah.
Read the following very very carefully.
Talmud - Mas. Sanhedrin 21b
Mar Zutra or, as some say, Mar ‘Ukba said: Originally the Torah was given to Israel in Hebrew characters
and in the sacred [Hebrew] language;
later, in the times of Ezra,46 the Torah was given in Ashshurith script
47 and Aramaic language. [Finally], they selected for Israel48 the
Ashshurith script and Hebrew language, leaving the Hebrew characters and Aramaic language for the hedyototh. Who are meant by the ‘hedyototh’? —
R. Hisda answers: The Cutheans.49 And what is meant by Hebrew characters? — R. Hisda said: The libuna'ah script.50
It has been taught: R. Jose said: Had Moses not preceded him, Ezra would have been worthy of receiving the Torah for Israel. Of Moses it is written,
And Moses went up unto God,51 and of Ezra it is written, He, Ezra, went up from Babylon.52 As the going up of the former refers to the [receiving of
the] Law, so does the going up of the latter. Concerning Moses, it is stated: And the Lord commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and
judgments;53 and concerning Ezra, it is stated: For Ezra had prepared his heart to expound the law of the Lord [his God] to do it and to teach Israel
statutes and judgments.54 And even though the Torah was not given through him, its writing was changed through him, as it is written:
Now did I misread or misunderstand when Mar Zutra said the following? -----
Quote - Originally the Torah was given to Israel in Hebrew characters
and in the sacred [Hebrew] language; later, in the times of Ezra,46 the
Torah was given in Ashshurith script
47 and Aramaic language. - Unquote
So not only did the written Torah change from Iuri Script to Ashuri Script and back again but the oral Torah also changed from Hebrew to Aramaic and
back again to Hebrew. Now I call that translation while others will ignore those facts. Then when did it re change once again to the Aleppo Codex
and also to the DSS? The Jews are still fighting over this one and the bottom line is that they do not know.
Now I have just touched on this simply because I am not a scholar and even if I were a scholar I would be torn to pieces by other scholars. My entire
purpose of this is to show that we have had both language change and script change down through known history and of the very same literature. But
what of the unknown history of Torah? We have absolutely nothing to hang our hats on. So what do we do? We believe by faith as well as evidence.
I have asked -- Why then if Torah did not change did Ezra have to teach anything? If Torah was the same in both oral and script then it would not
have been necessary for Ezra to have taught what Moses had written. But that is not so is it? Torah did change in both Statutes and Judgments
because of the understanding of script which in turn teaches languages. I sincerely believe that time and cultures references understanding and that
is why you are correct.
My opinion of course --