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A Reason for Faith in Jesus Christ

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posted on Jun, 13 2017 @ 06:48 PM
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a reply to: AnkhMorpork

"Disregard all that can not be reconciled".

Shakespeare
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posted on Jun, 13 2017 @ 07:24 PM
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a reply to: randyvs

And to be true and loving, Jesus made no compromises, and thank God for that!

But he can't be placed in our own box, and neither does He seek to put us in one either.

Even when we tried to box him in, he slipped through and had the marks to prove it.



posted on Jun, 19 2017 @ 07:21 PM
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Even though we're entering summer and it's not Christmas, I feel that the lyrics of the song "Joy to the World" captures the essence and the truth about what I'm trying in so many words to convey.



Joy to the World!
(Celtic Woman)

Joy to the world, the Lord is come
Let earth receive her King
Let every heart
Prepare Him room

And heaven and nature sing
And heaven and nature sing
And heaven and heaven and nature sing

Joy to the world, the Savior reigns
Let men their songs employ
While fields and floods
Rocks, hills and plains
Repeat the sounding joy
Repeat the sounding joy
Repeat, repeat, the sounding joy

He rules the world with truth and grace
And makes the nations prove
The glories of His righteousness
And wonders of His love
And wonders of His love
And wonders, wonders of His love

Joy to the world, the Lord is come
Let earth receive her King
Let every heart
Prepare Him room
And heaven and nature sing
And heaven and nature sing
And heaven and heaven and nature sing
And heaven and heaven and nature sing




Behold woman (look mother) I make all things new!


And if he unleashed a type of "double bind" on all ignorance and human folly in the process (which he did), then he placed it right where it belongs.

To refuse to give it any contemplation or consideration, and for all the wrong reasons, is to fail the test and remain forever ignorantly and willfully blind to the possibilities inherent in the invitation itself.

Out of the darkness, His light leads us into light to be and to become the light of the world that we were made to be and to become, while the whole of all creation groans in travail for the revelation of the sons of God, upon which there would be no end to the rejoicing both on Earth and in the heavens and in the heaven above the firmament.

We cannot do this alone, so we have to share the burden together, both the sorrows and the sadness, and the joy and triumphant happiness that transcends it while also setting the world straight, to the joyful celebration of many, and to the woeful chagrin of some for whom such a rejoicing would be enough to permamently wipe the smile off their face and cling to the "strong man" (willful pride of man) who was bound, which is very sad, but what can you do if some just can't take it, and who would prefer to slap away the extended hand (last chance?) of friendship and love?

Some may be lost and not everyone will be saved by Grace, a Grace which by it's very nature has no limits yet to remain Grace, a costly Grace, it must contend with our own "strong man" within, while remaining as a non-coercive free invitation to among other things (make us cry, bring us to our knees), laugh heartily at one's own self and while taking ourselves infinitely more seriously as sacred children of a loving God and as children of light and love, to also have the luxury of no longer taking ourselves or even our lives too seriously by taking God more seriously, who lets us in on the mighty joke as we lay claim to an inheritance prepared for us from before the very foundation of the world.



"Life is a Mighty Joke.

He who knows this can hardly be understood by others. He who does not know it finds himself in a state of delusion. He may ponder over this problem day and night, but will find himself incapable of knowing it. Why? People take life seriously, and God lightly; whereas we must take God seriously, and take life lightly. Then, we know that we always were the same and will ever remain the same.......the Originator of this joke. This knowledge is not achieved by reasoning.

But it is the knowledge of experience."

~ Mehe Baba



I should add, just to clarify re: the quote above by Meher Baba, that I hold to the beloved/beloved other I-Thou relationship, and that therefore, we are not the originators of it, but that instead it is something shared in koinonia at a table headed by Jesus Christ whether you can see him or not it makes no difference since nothing is ever lost or forgotten, in part, even for the most part, because of Him, so he and the first father of creation are at cause ie: everything that was made was made through and by the son for the cause of love whereby love to be love always and forever involves the love between two, and then extended to us even if only because Jesus is also our brother and our truest friend there ever was or will be.

"I am the alpha and the omega. The first and the last."

It's a historical Passover and an arrow that always finds it's mark sent by he who was sent and who in turn, sends we ourselves, individually and collectively.

It's really nothing more than a perfect model of authentic leadership which upholds the standard of truth, justice, and liberty.

It's not even a matter of accepting it as an article of belief in the final analysis. It holds water, like a camel across a desert that went straight through the eye of the needle.


Be blessed!

Ankh

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posted on Jul, 14 2017 @ 12:32 AM
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It's a table, where we all have our place, even for those among us who at best can hobble towards the lowest seat, and lo and behold what happens then?

All wisdom and all true understanding arises in our blind spot.

God always takes us by surprise, and thank God for that, or we'd simply gravitate to the lowest possible common denominator, which would wear real thin real fast ie: if left only to our own devices, devoid of the Spirit and Truth, which alone has the power to console even the otherwise inconsolable, and love the unlovable and forgive in the face of evil, and in so doing, run it to ground.

Such strength in apparent weakness.. my oh my.



posted on Aug, 6 2017 @ 01:57 AM
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a reply to: AnkhMorpork
Jesus is the way to eternity with God. Read the Bible and understand his ways.



posted on Aug, 6 2017 @ 02:01 AM
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originally posted by: AnkhMorpork

Love the Billy Jack Movies. He highlights the honor the Indians have to God and the planet he gave to us.



posted on Aug, 6 2017 @ 10:00 AM
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The Op may not know he doing it but he basically mocking God in way he is going about this.



posted on Aug, 8 2017 @ 04:56 AM
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originally posted by: spiritoftruth111
The Op may not know he doing it but he basically mocking God in way he is going about this.


Care to explain?



posted on Aug, 13 2017 @ 02:42 AM
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a reply to: thepixelpusher

I think he means that God is beyond all human reasoning, and to purport that there is a reasonable basis for an experience of the knowledge of God is belittling to God, who by far exceeds our deepest instincts and our most well reasoned arguments. By trying to provide faith with reason and logic and even a psychological dimension, for testing, the temptation could be that God is something to be tested in the domain of our own spiritual experience, and not the other way around.
That said, I think it's a two way street and that God would rather we try to wrestle with him, than to posses simple faith as a mere believe in, but while setting side our own faculty of reason and our personal psychological and spiritual experience.

I suppose I am talking a lot about the inerrant aspects of a sought out communion with God, which isn't unreasonable and something that God would want ie: to join his circle of joy in and through Jesus, but we must also bear in mind that God's thoughts towards us are more numerous than the stars and as far above ours as those same stars are above the earth.

There isn't enough reverence and awe in the face of the utterly inscrutable nature of God, in his opinion, if I'm not mistaken.

But I do not wish to reduce God to something that's accessible exclusively to human reason and experience, since there are supernatural elements involved, and things about which we know nothing, but relative to which God already knows everything already.

Perhaps he is right to pick up on it, on this excessively playful and humorous nature which in his eyes is a mockery of God.

I suspect that God really loves us more than we know.

To be brought again into repentance, is always a good thing. To fall again at His cross in the hope of His resurrection.

The problem, if you can call it that, is that through Jesus, God communicated His will and his intent and design and nothing was held back.

All I'm trying to suggest is that there is an access point which touches down right in the human heart and soul, which by extension must include our spiritual and psychological experience, like the yeast in the dough that get's leavened all through or the mustard seed of faith that can move mountains (of historical causation).

What I laugh at, is our own absurdity and folly, not God's, who I think gives us the wisdom and the courage to laugh at ourselves and not take ourselves TOO seriously, while also taking ourselves more seriously according to the valuation that's been assigned to us, by God, in and through Jesus and His Spirit.

It would make me cry to mock God, and if I have, I will, and don't we all, in so many things that we either do or fail to do, which if we really made our innermost heart's desire to do God's will we would be truly happy and fulfilled, with life to the full even to overflowing.

May God also have mercy on me, a sinner, and forgive as I am forgiven.

We need that humbling every now and again.

So I'm grateful for the feedback and input, but at the same time I can't cry forever either..



posted on Aug, 13 2017 @ 04:10 AM
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Life is the classroom and Love is the lesson.

-- Howard Storm (quote based upon his NDE conversation with Jesus)

Howard's book is a great paranormal read. Should be on every ATS'ers bookshelf!

My Descent Into Death
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posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 09:31 PM
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originally posted by: thepixelpusher
Life is the classroom and Love is the lesson.

-- Howard Storm (quote based upon his NDE conversation with Jesus)



And the poor guy had to go to hell and back to hand over that pearl of wisdom. It doesn't come cheap.

What we suffer from is a three-fold problem I think that involves a lack of faith, a lack of gratitude (taking for granted) and a lack of courage in the face of the unknown, while trusting that it's friendly towards us.

It's a dive that most people are not prepared to take, except perhaps when they were born.

There's an irony that just goes on and on and a great joke that we couldn't get from a place of ignorance and blindness, and it's one that's capable of restoring our humor, our joy, our zest for life and that child within who used to know and trust in the goodness of God and the life we're given.

Indeed, how can anyone access the domain of the kingdom of God unless they become once again like a little child?

It takes work and courage and faith even as small as a tiny mustard seed.



posted on Aug, 30 2017 @ 09:45 PM
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a reply to: AnkhMorpork

So how do you explain happy healthy atheists?



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 09:22 PM
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originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: AnkhMorpork

So how do you explain happy healthy atheists?


If they also have the courage to open up like flowers to any and all possibilities in a state of absolute uncertainty, then they'd be already more than half way there already.

I could also be said that ignorance is bliss.



posted on Aug, 31 2017 @ 10:00 PM
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RE: "do not place ANYTHING before God" What if you put Jesus before God? It seems to me people idol worship the words of the Bible more than they have authentic piety.


I like your quote:

Reminds me of the verses" No slave is greater than his Master" ."No messenger is greater than the ONE who sent him''

"Oh Father why hath though forsaken me"



posted on Sep, 1 2017 @ 02:33 AM
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a reply to: TheInfiniteFantastic

You imply that Jesus slighted God in disobedience, when it involved great courage on his part to carry out God's will for the sake of our mutual glorification.

We could talk about the theological implications of his cry of aguish and despair, and I have some ideas about that involving the final double bind, which bound the strong man and that ultimately set Jesus free, but what you're implying.. I don't know, I find it painful as a Christian to see it, the implication that Jesus was a blasphemer who got what he deserved.

I'm calling foul. That's totally unfair.

That said, we're well aware of the idolatry of Bibliolatry and a dead sort of worship that doesn't worship in God as Spirit and Truth and even the grave sins and omissions and distortions of institutionalized "Churchianity" in misunderstanding and misrepresenting Jesus more as a threat than as a point of salvation.

But he did what no one else could do and got it done right.

None of the faults and blaming that goes on around the problems of the Church should be laid at Jesus feet, but to take it a step further, and to say that Jesus himself committed the sin of idolatry by laying claim to the position of master and teacher, that's just ridiculous.

Why do so many have such an axe to grind relative to the goodness and love and justice and mercy of Jesus Christ son of God?

Are we still jealous that he was too good, too loving?

Why crucify him again? I don't get it..

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posted on Sep, 2 2017 @ 01:13 AM
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originally posted by: AnkhMorpork
a reply to: TheInfiniteFantastic

Why do so many have such an axe to grind relative to the goodness and love and justice and mercy of Jesus Christ son of God?

Are we still jealous that he was too good, too loving?

Why crucify him again? I don't get it..


Some choose to rebuff Gods love and dismiss his Son's sacrifice by living among us, only to be brutally killed. The answer is some people choose misery over love. The influence of bad people has warped their minds.
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posted on Sep, 2 2017 @ 02:55 AM
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Even Schrooge and Darth Vader found salvation and absolution, where it may be said that he's who's been forgiven more, however unloving or unlovable, loves MORE!

Every humorless, dour or stone-faced person has a lost child deep within.

What did Kahlil Gibran say..


'When you are sorrowful look again in your heart, and you shall see that in truth you are weeping for that which has been your delight.'


We all need the helping and the friendly hand of Jesus extended towards us, even especially the most unlovable and unlovely of people.

Too many disappointments... and I guess Jesus just makes a good scapegoat, but AGAIN? why is that? I'd like to better understand..

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posted on Sep, 2 2017 @ 06:57 AM
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So you literally have no respect for those who do not agree with you? So why should anybody have any respect for you? do you not see The superiority complex that you are displaying here?

What was the reason why you should believe in Jesus again? What benefit does a belief in Jesus give you? It sure as # doesn't make you a better person. It doesn't make you a nicer person as displayed by any of your threads here. So why should someone follow the words of a #ing asshole like you? You do Your religion no favors by acting like a condescending child with a superiority complex. If you can't prove your beliefs then they are only imagination. And now you talk down to people because in you're imagination, you feel justified in your beliefs. And your beliefs make you feel superior to others.

Do you know what would honor your beliefs and put a positive light on Christianity? If people who claim to be Christians acted more Christlike. Instead of superior to everyone else around them and diminishing people so that you feel better about yourself. That is how I know that there is no Jesus. Christianity is bull# because people like you only use it to signal their virtue and bash those who do not comply. You are a posterboard of reasons to not Believe your own words.
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posted on Sep, 2 2017 @ 12:12 PM
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That was a little harsh given my response, no? And wasn't yours a loaded question?

I was just referring to a state of open-mindedness and willingness in the face of uncertainty, instead of a firmly closed mind.

It's perhaps much easier not to have to delve into it in any depth or to really wrestle with the idea of an intentionality communicated to us by a loving God in the person of Jesus, and thus, ignorance is bliss.

I was trying to answer your question honestly.

As to your reply here, don't freak out when I say this, but it doesn't represent you as being healthy and happy.

What I was trying to describe is an openness and receptivity to the divine, in life, and within ourselves as an expression of our very best nature.

I love all people, including atheists, but what I have a hard time with sometimes is their own spiteful and hateful snarkiness.

I am taught though not to lash out or be hateful, and I'm sorry if my answer offended you.

My mother once told me that judging is a mistake because when we judge others, at the most fundamental level, we only judge ourselves.

Your response here, to my answer to your loaded question, says more about you than about me.

P.S. I used to be an atheist myself at one time, while remaining a fervent seeker of truth and understanding and when I re-examined it very carefully, I found it to be compelling and most reasonable.

Maybe I should have said something like - because God loves atheists too (why they can be healthy and happy, kind and loving people).

These things are a matter of the heart, and of reason and logic, not of a belief in. Jesus was himself a master logician, as well as a person of love and compassion.

You reply here lacks civility and may even violate the TOS.

But I can forgive. Can you?

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posted on Sep, 2 2017 @ 12:42 PM
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Also, I never said I was a better person. We are all in need of God's love and the salvation freely offered by Jesus Christ, who alone was in a position to make the offer and to perform the Great Work making it all possible.




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