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Freedom of Speech and Freedom from Consequences.

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posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 04:23 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Sighs. His point. You are deliberately being obtuse.

If you can convince people that they are under your control, that gives you power. Hitler for instance.


edit on 4/21/2017 by Deaf Alien because: (no reason given)




posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 04:25 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Is he controlled or is he not controlled?


I didn't even say "he was controlled" so what are you even talking about?



posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 04:27 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Do you really expect us to believe that you did not understand that he meant "answer" as in "reply"?



posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 04:28 PM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Is he controlled or is he not controlled?


I didn't even say "he was controlled" so what are you even talking about?



Pardon me. My mistake.

You said "If someone con convince others through words/ideas then he can control them." When someone is convinced by another, is he under their control?
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posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 04:30 PM
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a reply to: daskakik

There is no middle ground between alive and dead.

you can take an animal and torture it and keep it in a small cage it's enire suffering life and its still ALIVE. It has a poopy life but it's alive.



posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 04:30 PM
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Do you really expect us to believe that you did not understand that he meant "answer" as in "reply"?


Yes, he said answer him properly, yet there was no question.



posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 04:33 PM
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If you can convince people that they are under your control, that gives you power. Hitler for instance.


Let's try it. Convince me, and put me under your spell.



posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 04:34 PM
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I meant any living thing. Nothing "needs" to live.

You are right, what any one person wants is irrelevant, so is their insistence on calling it a right.

alright then let tear up the constition. After all it was only 10 guys idea.

The Idea that every one is equal.

You do you understand what that means?



posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 04:35 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope



Let's try it. Convince me, and put me under your spell.

Are you easily hypnotized? Easily swayed?



posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 04:35 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

You are being way too literal. You knew what I mean. Stop being obtuse.



posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 04:38 PM
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Are you easily hypnotized? Easily swayed?


No, but I am easily convinced with logic and evidence.



posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 04:40 PM
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You are being way too literal. You knew what I mean. Stop being obtuse.


Stop using the wrong words.



posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 04:41 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope



No, but I am easily convinced with logic and evidence.

Hitler used logic and evidence.



posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 04:42 PM
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a reply to: LockNLoad

Human Life is important because We the people deem human life to be important. We see potential in every human being.

Evolution has generated all sorts of life. Some of it we care for deeply (kittens), other things we throw away (barnacles), some things we raise for food. Only the sickest humans torture animals.

And nature does care what we do. We should be concerned about what we do and our impact on others around us.



posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 04:47 PM
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Hitler used logic and evidence.


He also painted.



posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 04:49 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Deaf Alien




If you can convince people that they are under your control, that gives you power. Hitler for instance.


Let's try it. Convince me, and put me under your spell.


The better word for rhetorical control is manipulation.

Where convincing someone of something causes predictable, desirable results.

Let's say for example that someone launches a rhetorical campaign aimed at convincing others that any challenge to a chosen rhetorical theme is not free speech, but actually that skeptical speech is suppressing free speech!

Any Free Speech that follows your free speech, is not free speech, but oppression..

I know it sounds ridiculous. But people actually try to sell that nonsense..Some people even create OPs on ATS trying to sell that very idea.

Alas...there are even some members here on ATS that fall victim to that false logic.




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posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 04:49 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Yes, they can be.

Jim Jones and Jonestown come to mind. Maybe not everyone who drank the kool-aid did so by choice but, those who did and those who forced others seem to fit that description.

ETA: What would you call it?
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posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 04:51 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Yes, he said answer him properly, yet there was no question.

Answer: a thing said, written, or done to deal with or as a reaction to a question, statement, or situation.

There doesn't have to be a question.



posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 04:51 PM
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He also painted.

Huh? What is your point?



posted on Apr, 21 2017 @ 04:53 PM
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originally posted by: SmilingROB
alright then let tear up the constition. After all it was only 10 guys idea.

The Idea that every one is equal.

You do you understand what that means?

While owning slaves? It means they were hypocrites but that isn't the topic of the thread.



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