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Dove Soap Ad Features Transgender Mom, Facebook Censors Critics

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posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 08:31 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: ColdWisdom

Go start your own social media networking site and you can decide what is and isn't censored. Facebook isn't the government. They can censor whatever the hell they want and there is nothing you can do about it.


If this was a story about facebook supporting an anti gay page or and anti athiest page would you say the same? ....Let me answer that for you. NO.




posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 08:31 AM
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originally posted by: JDmOKI

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Kali74

originally posted by: ColdWisdom
a reply to: markosity1973


I will dare stick my neck out and say that when talking about gender identity and sexual orientation is treated with the same respect as speaking about race there will be no need for censorship.


Freedom of speech means being able to say what you want about something, in this case transgendered folk, and when you want to say it, whether it is politically correct, offensive, or not.

Period.


Is the cry baby who can't follow the rules of the house in jail? No? Boom! Freedom of Speech.

It can't be stressed how often people ignore this point. Freedom of Speech ONLY (I cannot stress this word enough) applies to the government infringing it. Everything else is open game.


How can you agree with juggernauts like Facebook and Google shutting down opinions? Billions of people use their services and they have zero competition. Maybe we should break them up so we have opinions and they don't have such control over the narratives and expected differing opinions of their users.

Easy. A company has a right to govern its products any way it deems fit. That's Capitalism 101 right there.


You under a estimate the power these companies have over the sheep

That's the sheep's problem. I only care about my own lane and my own business, and guess what? I barely ever use Facebook already.

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posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 08:32 AM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Why because these gender issues are basically driven socially and currently at a younger and younger age?

We all know this is a trend and socially driven while biologically I have a penis and will always have a penis not matter if I tuck it in or get it cut off.

I'm sure cavemen or "cave people" really sat down and socially couldnt acceptig their gender. These are all modern social issues and I'm gonna estimate half or less of people today actually truly are transgender, which I'm not denying people are transgender.

And don't act smug and talk down to me




posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 08:33 AM
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originally posted by: odinsway

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: ColdWisdom

Go start your own social media networking site and you can decide what is and isn't censored. Facebook isn't the government. They can censor whatever the hell they want and there is nothing you can do about it.


If this was a story about facebook supporting an anti gay page or and anti athiest page would you say the same? ....Let me answer that for you. NO.

Well since you are already having the conversation for me then I guess there is nothing more for me to say to you. Have fun with your idiotic strawmans.


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posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 08:35 AM
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a reply to: JDmOKI

I see some pretty far right wing crap put up on FB. My circle, due to geography, tends to be pretty far right. So i don't buy for a minute that FB is shutting down viewpoints. Ill need to actually see it.

They may have moderation practices that allow individual bias to leak in....but i've seen bannings for stupid things that aren't even political. Its safer to say that Fb moderates its site in an illogical way....not a slanted way.



posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 08:35 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: odinsway

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: ColdWisdom

Go start your own social media networking site and you can decide what is and isn't censored. Facebook isn't the government. They can censor whatever the hell they want and there is nothing you can do about it.


If this was a story about facebook supporting an anti gay page or and anti athiest page would you say the same? ....Let me answer that for you. NO.

Well since you are already having the conversation for me then I guess there is nothing more for me to say to you. Have fun with your idiotic strawmans.

Drop the shot from your name. ...Because crazy fits you well



posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 08:35 AM
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originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: ColdWisdom




There is a war going on that is fighting against a free internet and the freedom of speech.


No there isn't.

Free internet means you can start your own site and sensor or not sensor it however you want.

Free speech is in the first amendment and it ONLY limits what the government can do. Private entities such as Facebook can and do sensor.


Really? I recall a cake company that wouldn't make a wedding cake for a gay couple to which the couple cried discrimination. Isn't discrimination a form of censorship? That cake company was a private entity. However, the cake company lost because they were deemed a public business offering a public service.

Those right to refuse service signs go a long way......or do they? I think they used to, but I'm not that old I suppose.

What you commented is exactly right. However, certain groups and agendas are voraciously trying to umbrella us all....call it hyper-political correctness.
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posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 08:39 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: JDmOKI

Blah blah blah. Don't like it? Don't use Facebook. Bitching about it to me won't change anything. I really don't care what you think about me. This is how the country has always worked. You are complaining about nothing.

I find it funny that you accuse me of being authoritarian but tell me to "fight Google and Facebook". The only way to legally fight Facebook without infringing on their rights as a company would be to not use their service or start a new company to replace them. SURPRISE! That was what I told you to do originally.

Sheesh... The conservative justice warriors always pushing their persecution complex.


I'm not conservative and your solution isn't realistic
Facebook and Google have us by the balls.

What should I start using bing or MySpace and quietly chat with myself?

Like I said you have zero issue as long as they're on your side of the narrative.

I just wanna know what would happen if the roles were reversed. Liberals owns just about every form of social media and news and I would be just as critical if that was reversed
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posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 08:40 AM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan




You should look up "Fighting Words" in the legal context. Your freedom of speech doesn't necessarily mean I won't get away with a moderate beat down in response.


Exactly and well said because it is these same people that will come out their mouth all sideways at you then cry victim when they get their asses whooped. A lot of people really do not understand the true concept of constitutionally protected free speech. The government can not punish you for your opinion but private organizations, your community and peers absolutely can as their opinion that does not agree with yours is also protected.



posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 08:43 AM
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a reply to: RainbowPhoenix

You won't go to jail for calling my wife fat. But you may go to the hospital. And my liability would likely be fairly limited considering.

Its just easier to be polite to everyone, and hope they will reciprocate.



posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 08:44 AM
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originally posted by: JDmOKI
I'm not conservative and your solution isn't realistic

Then you say this:

I just wanna know what would happen if the roles were reversed. Liberals owns just about every form of social media and news and I would be just as critical if that was reversed and would be just as critical.

Sure whatever you say guy. But hey. Let's address this deflection anyways. The_Donald is a subreddit on Reddit that will literally ban you if you say anything mean about Trump. Breitbart regularly silences liberal views on its comments section. Stormfront will ban you if you aren't racist and display liberal tendencies. How many threads have a I written about these places silencing liberal opinions? Zero. There is your answer to your deflection.

your solution isn't realistic

I'm sorry that you can't think and function without these companies. Sounds like they got YOU by the balls. I don't need either of them to live my life.
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posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 08:44 AM
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originally posted by: odinsway

originally posted by: RainbowPhoenix

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
When is all this kowtowing to the mentally ill minority going to end? It was funny for awhile, but come on...


I agree with you right up until you call me mentally ill, yes you heard me correctly I agree with you in part. Quite frankly as a Trans person I am getting tired of all the SJW bullsh... myself. At least the stuff that makes the whole mess even more confusing than it already is. Believe me there are plenty of "too sensitive for their own good" types in my community that do try to force people to accept us. I believe that pushing that hard just makes certain people grow to despise us more and view us as some kind of threat to free thought. Do try to keep in mind that this is the establishment and professional SJW's doing this not us the individual's as a whole. We just want to live in peace and not be discriminated against or assaulted for trying to exist and live our lives. So lets try to find that middle ground and coexist peacefully.

So hear me when I say that not all of us want to force you to accept us but rather we just want to live free of violence, discrimination and verbal harassment. For example if we are conversing and the subject comes up then I have no problem saying that I am a Trans woman but I don't go around wearing a badge as some form of declaration. Really this is the only place where I volunteer that information without first being asked. So yes generally speaking I like to be treated as and referred to as any regular woman would want to be treated but I have no delusions about my birth history. Just don't be a Richard about it and we can get along just fine. If you call me he, him or any other male pronoun you get a free pass on the first time, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt of it being an honest slip up. Say it again and I will gently correct you, do it again and we have a problem that could escalate to one of or both of us ending up in jail and/or the hospital because I will break you down and tell you about yourself and I have made males tear up and sucker punch me over words.

More to the subject though I have a dear friend who is also Trans and divorced with children. Her children call her daddy and she has no problem with it and has no delusions about that aspect of her life. She knows that she is the childs father and I have asked if that was weird. She said it didn't bother her because she knows her kids are still young and it's not something that they even understand yet but she knows that they do love her very much. She went on to say that whatever they decide to call her is ultimately up to them when they do get old enough to understand and if they want to call her daddy forever then that is fine because that is what she is.

I admit that I was very surprised and relieved by how supportive my family and friends were when I came out. For most of my circle I am the only Trans person that they have ever known personally. I think that lack of exposure is the biggest reason so many despise us, they simply do not know anyone on a personal level that is Trans. It makes it easier to accept someone when you knew/know them on a personal level before their metamorphosis and know them to be a genuinely decent person and productive member of society. I'm not sure if I'm passable or not but I haven't had any unpleasant encounters while out in public and I haven't been misgendered since my hair grew out and I stopped wearing wigs. It's been pretty great to be honest and I'm happier than I have been in a long time.

Just remember that not all of us are over zealous SJW's out to force you to change your beliefs but we are human beings that deserve compassion and dignity just like you and every other person on the planet save for those that have forgone their humanity in pursuit of truly despicable and evil acts.

Oh and Mark Dice is a fear mongering, overly sensitive whack job, see people on either side of the fence can be overly sensitive.


You are most certainly mentally ill. No doubt about it. Any sane doctor "who isnt scared to be sued by the freak mafia will tell you the same."





posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 08:46 AM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: RainbowPhoenix

You won't go to jail for calling my wife fat. But you may go to the hospital. And my liability would likely be fairly limited considering.

Its just easier to be polite to everyone, and hope they will reciprocate.


That works two ways just as respecting my gender identity and addressing me as such would keep you out of the hospital. Agreed on mutual civility!



posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 08:47 AM
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a reply to: JDmOKI

How do they have us by the balls? You act like these companies have a monopoly but as you yourself have pointed out there are alternatives. Hell, you're on an alternative form of social media as we speak.

It's almost like you want the government to regulate companies like Facebook simply because they are the most successful. How very anti-capitalist of you.



posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 08:49 AM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: JDmOKI

How do they have us by the balls? You act like these companies have a monopoly but as you yourself have pointed out there are alternatives. Hell, you're on an alternative form of social media as we speak.

It's almost like you want the government to regulate companies like Facebook simply because they are the most successful. How very anti-capitalist of you.

Replace "most successful" with "too liberal" and you have an accurate idea of what he wants.



posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 08:52 AM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: JDmOKI

How do they have us by the balls? You act like these companies have a monopoly but as you yourself have pointed out there are alternatives. Hell, you're on an alternative form of social media as we speak.

It's almost like you want the government to regulate companies like Facebook simply because they are the most successful. How very anti-capitalist of you.


We also have anti monopoly law but can't apply to these companies. Remember what happened to Microsoft? And my entire family uses Facebook so why would I use a product no one uses? You guys. Act like I'm this huge influence that can change social media.

I just like differing opinions that aren't deemed worthy by a bunch of dudes in suits attending board meetings deciding which opinions are important.

My bad I'm critical of this agenda, I'll just accept it




posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 08:53 AM
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a reply to: JDmOKI
I wonder. How many posts on Facebook of YOURS or even your family's has been censored due to content? I imagine little to none.



posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 08:54 AM
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They are free to make whatever commercials they want.

They are also free to accept the consequences of said commercials.

Usually commercials are intended to increase sales, but Dove must not get that concept.



posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 08:55 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: JDmOKI

How do they have us by the balls? You act like these companies have a monopoly but as you yourself have pointed out there are alternatives. Hell, you're on an alternative form of social media as we speak.

It's almost like you want the government to regulate companies like Facebook simply because they are the most successful. How very anti-capitalist of you.

Replace "most successful" with "too liberal" and you have an accurate idea of what he wants.


Exactly right. Nothing more disgusting honestly. Same goes for hard right religious conservatives telling me what to think or live my life.

I'm equal opportunity hater and right now I'm against "too liberal"



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