NEWS: Rare Sexually Transmitted Disease Strikes 2 in N.Y.

Originally posted by Yeticha
now i'm sure there are gay people in africa and they are the ones that contract AIDS....remember, heterosexual people cannot get it

God help you if you actually believe that. You're risking your life if you do.

Originally posted by Yeticha
just like the theory that gayness is not genetic, there is a theory that it is genetic....no one proved it either way....i tend to believe it is genetic so when a gay person has sex the hiv recognizes the gay gene and attacks and in turn mutates into AIDS...the hiv doesn't mutate into AIDS for heterosexuals though.

Holy uneducated dogma Batman. Really now are you for real? You do realize that the African strain of AIDS easily passes between hetrosexual couples right? As does the Asian strain? Your ignorance is no doubt predicated upon the fact that the US and Europe strain require a higher risk sctivities in MOST cases to pass on. Okay sit down: Lots of people that are not gay have AIDS in the US and Europe.


[edit on 2/3/05 by FredT]

Bible states that same sex sexuality is wrong....
It also talks about seperating yourself from every appearnace of evil.
But it does not EVER give you the right to kill them, to call them any more evil than another person, becuase lying is a sin too, and all sin is evil.

Somw things, a person who sins is never goign to get the religous to back off on. Other things, the gays needs to push harder than they do, becaues some things are wrong.

Both technically Gay and Christian.

Originally posted by Yeticha
it is very well known that gay diseases like hiv and the disease in this article target gay people by signaling out their gay gene. people just don't like the facts of the matter.

congratulations. you've been awarded the ignorant post of the month prize.

Ryan White was a child when he got the disease from a treatment for his leukemia. Elizabeth Glazer got it and she wasn't gay. Pregnant women can pass it along to their fetuses. Drug addicts give it to eachother via reusing needles.

You know I saw Yeticha's "gay gene" post last night, and I didn't say anything because I thought he was kidding!
Let the debunking begin, and when I'm done dispelling this ignorance would somebody please contact the CDC and see if they can test Yeticha? With his misguided beleifs and extreme homophobia I can think of two really strong reasons why he is likely to get AIDS.

Yeticha states that there is a gay gene. Scientists at University of Illinois who checked the entire genome say there is not. Let me highlight this A scientific study of the entire genome revealed that there is not a "gay gene" that all homosexuals have
Recent announcements of a link between genetics and homosexuality stem from a study which found that a specific arrangement of 3 entire chromosomes was shared by 60% of brothers from families with two or more gay children. The results are not conclusive but I'll spare you the details. news.bbc.co.uk...
A virus is fairly small. It gets into a cell and inserts itself into your DNA so that it can use your cells to reproduce. They can not target a trait spanning 3 non-consecutive chromosomes. It can target a smaller section of that, but that would mean that a great many straight people would also be genetically vulnerable.

Yeticha says that HIV mutates into AIDS when it attatches to the gay gene. This is not true. HIV does not mutate into AIDS; AIDS is not a virus. AIDS is a syndrome (a broad set of symptoms caused by another illness). Anyone with HIV who does not recieve intensive treatments will eventually lose CD4 and T cells. When the T-cell count drops below a certain threshold it is termed AIDS and opportunistic diseases which the body is normally immune against set in.

Yeticha says that only gay people die of AIDS, everyone else dies of opportunistic diseases. Nobody dies of AIDS. Almost all victims die of opportunistic diseases which AIDS prevents the immune system from destroying.

Yeticha says that the burden of proof in this discussion of his claims falls on those who disagree with him. I beg to differ. The rules of evidence used in a court room dictate that a claim is false until supported by evidence (the accused is innocent till proven guilty). So we started out with the burden of proof long ago when AIDS was new.
At a certain point however, "the evidence speaks for itself" (i'll spare you the latin terms). Once this point is reached, the burden of proof can at times be shifted. For example, if the accussed were faced with DNA evidence. At this point, the claim is obviously true and the other side must bear the burden of proof (or disproof more appropriately).
Decades of observation have shown no measurable difference between what is killing homosexuals and what is killing straight people. It has shown that HIV universally leads to AIDS and death by opportunistic disease. In light of all the evidence against Yeticha's statements which has been collected in the last 20 years, Yeticha probably has the burden of proof now if he wishes to argue contrary to all of that evidence.

Originally posted by Yeticha
i don't have the burden of proof...you do!! you say that there is no gay gene..prove it.

All searches for it have turned up nothing and there is no reasonable way in whih a single gene can cause such complex behaviour, and gayness is no hereditable ie doesn't follow any sort of heredibility pattern that demonstrates being a primarily genetic phenomenon.

they do not die of aids, they die of another disease that can kill anyone

The only evidence there is about the set of symptoms called AIDS is that its caused by the virus HIV. No one claiming HIV doesn't cause aids has ever demonstrated this, in, say, infecting someone with hiv and not treating them

just like the theory that gayness is not genetic, there is a theory that it is genetic....no one proved it either way....

Actually the idea that homophobes are infact gay has much more support than the 'gay gene' theory. Its been relatively confirmed in experiments. Groups of men had a device attached to them that measured their erection and shown homoerotic images. The men who were the most 'homophobic' and intolerant of homosexuality got big erections when shown gay porn, whereas guys who weren't homophobic had no real reaction.

So how often do you find that you get an erection when lyou look at your gay porn?

heterosexual people cannot get it

You are a complete moron. Please tell me you are just a lying moron and don'tactually beleive that. I guess if you beleive it then you're a moron and a coward. It would be simple enough to test it out yourself.



[edit on 3-2-2005 by Nygdan]

I think I have been shocked beyond belief. "Only targets gays because of their gay gene" and "only gays can get it" are two of the most outlandish statements I have read on ATS. Ever.

Absolutely false and I would be happy to prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt since the burden of proof is supposedly on us. You come out to Seattle and let me know. I actually have access to HIV (strain II) that is manufactured by patent out here for clinical testing and detection. We can simply inject it into you and let's see your hetero-gene go to work (unless there is something lurking in your closet).

If you really believe you are safe...I pity you.

Originally posted by FredT
Holy uneducated dogma Batman. Really now are you for real?
[edit on 2/3/05 by FredT]

I was thinking the same thing. I swear, sometimes I wonder how these people figured out how to use the computer in the first place.

SpittinCobra-
The article didn't say it only affects gays. What it said is it is spreading in the Gay and Bisexual population, for the the reasons others have given. Also, assuming this is a 'rectal-only' disease, then the average hetero isn't going to catch it.

Well, call me a "homphobe", I dont care. I am not afraid of gays, rather, I'm disgusted by their lifestyle. Some people just cant be reached though. I have no pity for them, as any disease they contract is purely self-inflicted. I feel as bad for them as I do hunters who get shot in the woods. If you were not in the woods to begin with....

Not only does the bible say its wrong so has society. Disease after disease pops up and nothing deters them. Oh well....you reap what you sow...If people would just get married, respect their vows, they wouldnt receive the death sentence, or ooze from their penises...

Yes, heteros can get aids as well. Im fully aware of that. But not if you keep it in your pants. Remain faithfull and you wont have that. Simple. Run around and screw anything with a pulse, and you get what you get. Their problem, not mine....

Originally posted by Esoterica
Also, assuming this is a 'rectal-only' disease, then the average hetero isn't going to catch it.

It's not strictly rectal. It's a strain of Chlamydia. Chlamydia affects both sexes, in fact something like half of the population has the more common strain. This particular strain of Chlamydia was stated earlier to cause sores on the genitals as well.
Bacterial and viral infections do not have "gaydar" (gay seeking radar, for those of you who've never heard the term).

Originally posted by The Vagabond
It's not strictly rectal. It's a strain of Chlamydia. Chlamydia affects both sexes, in fact something like half of the population has the more common strain. This particular strain of Chlamydia was stated earlier to cause sores on the genitals as well.

Hmm, must've missed that in the article. Oh well.

Bacterial and viral infections do not have "gaydar" (gay seeking radar, for those of you who've never heard the term).

Oh, I wasn't saying that. The article just made it sound like this was just a rectal infection, my bad.

OK, too much use of the word 'rectal' by me today, I'm done for the night

I gave Yeticha a 'way above'

Great posts to shake up others!

Responses ranged from 'you are krazy' to 'come on out and I'll infect you'

The responses from the self-congratulatory DENY IGNORNANCE crowd have truly been the most entertaining.

Can anyone PROVE - - - - - -? Nope, but it makes for good reading and great 'how wrong someone else is' stuff.

Again, way to go Yeticha
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Originally posted by JoeDoaks
The responses from the self-congratulatory DENY IGNORNANCE crowd have truly been the most entertaining.

Self-congratulatory? What's wrong Joe, are you one of those people who thinks research and rational presentation of a factual arguement is somehow pretentious? If I could live a day longer for each time somebody gave me flak for bothering them with the facts, then I sht you not I'd be the one to bury Cain and the Wandering Jew. (I sure hope somebody gets that or I'm gonna feel really alone here.)

Now could you tell me which part was most entertaining so that I could keep turning out my best stuff?
Was it the part where I offered proof from scientists that Yeticha's unsupported claims about a gay gene were false?
Or did you prefer the part where I set him straight on his tremendous misunderstanding of how AIDS works?

Yeticha makes a series of patently false claims which are banished from the mind of a typical 13 year old in health class. A few of us had the audacity to correct him, and I even dared to assume that scientists know better than Yeticha.
Yeah, I guess I can see the reason why Joe would find fault with us and take Yeticha's side. Unfortunately if I share that reason with anyone else I'll probably get a warning.

Back to spiff's last post...
I have no problem with you keeping your own religious code of morality, but it's not fair for you to turn those beliefs into a selective bias.

Religion tends to take any sin that the average person can't identify with, and hold it up to a double standard. The bible says all have sinned. The bible says if you offend in one commandment you offend all. The bible says that NOBODY goes to the father but through Jesus (because ALL sin is vile and hell-worthy). The bible leaves no room for branding certain sins with your own additional little prejudices while turning a blind eye to the sins you understand. It does say several times, including by Christ's example, that you are to love your neighbor as you love yourself, inspite of their sin.

You don't have to understand, you don't have to approve, you don't have to be perfect and unbiased because that is beyond any person. All anyone should ask is that if you have some "extra" reservation about a particular sin that you acknowledge that as your own opinion so that your example does not falsely tell homosexuals that they are beyond God's forgiveness. Realize that all sinners, yourself included, are in the same boat, and try to obey your God's commandment that you should love your neighbor.

[ self-righteous rant ]

You tell me, how many times in the bible does Jesus single somebody out and say "this person's sin is special- it is gruesome and infectious and beyond even my help. Avoid this man as if he had the plague and shout warnings as he approaches as if he were a leper." That's what Christians do to homosexuals afterall. I've never seen a protester outside a bar telling me that God hates drunks, and believe me I've been in the bar enough that I'd have seen it if it were happening! Christians go out of their way to proclaim the inequity of homosexuals and I think Jesus is probably peeved that his followers wouldn't lift a finger to minister to and save his gay children. Remember, whatever you do to the least of these brother...

[ /self-righteous rant ]

Originally posted by Yeticha
AIDS is not even in africa since those dying of so-called "aids" are actually dying of other diseases and thos people are in turn heterosexual only...they get the hiv virus and then die of chronic wasting disease or some other infectious disease and it is then classified as "aids"...they do not die of aids, they die of another disease that can kill anyone

oh my god.....you gotta be kidding....

do you even know what the acranym AIDS stands for?
it stands for : Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome...

in other words, IT CREATES A DEFICIENCY IN ONES IMMUNE SYSTEM!!!!

so OF COURSE they are going to die from other various illnesses.....
THATS WHAT AIDS DOES!!!

and that statement about "hetero's cant get it" is just too stupid to dignify a response...

well well well...i see the government agents have come out of the woodwork again to quell my FACTS about hiv and aids....i have published scores of reports about this gay disease and you wouldn't believe the positive responses i've got....and by positive i don't mean gay....if people are believing geneticists from illinois i do not know what the world has come to...thats like believing a member of a jungle tribe in the amazon is jesus....just what agencies do you debunkers of me work for? you people that spread the lie that hiv/aids strikes heterosexuals sound like you have a doctorate from the University of Goebbels.

Originally posted by Esoterica

Originally posted by FredT
Holy uneducated dogma Batman. Really now are you for real?
[edit on 2/3/05 by FredT]

I was thinking the same thing. I swear, sometimes I wonder how these people figured out how to use the computer in the first place.

SpittinCobra-
The article didn't say it only affects gays. What it said is it is spreading in the Gay and Bisexual population, for the the reasons others have given. Also, assuming this is a 'rectal-only' disease, then the average hetero isn't going to catch it.

I know what it says, I also know what uninformed memebers are saing.

Originally posted by ZeddicusZulZorander
I think I have been shocked beyond belief. "Only targets gays because of their gay gene" and "only gays can get it" are two of the most outlandish statements I have read on ATS. Ever.

Absolutely false and I would be happy to prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt since the burden of proof is supposedly on us.

You come out to Seattle and let me know. I actually have access to HIV (strain II) that is manufactured by patent out here for clinical testing and detection. We can simply inject it into you and let's see your hetero-gene go to work (unless there is something lurking in your closet).

If you really believe you are safe...I pity you.

I 100% agree with you. I feel people are just saing this STUPID crap just to get people to pay attention to them.

It makes me sick, to think about the level of hate the has been spread in this thread.

Is it so hard to let people be? Who the hell cares if they are gay or straight? As long as it doesnt harm YOU, Leave them the F alone. Stop being so closed minded, and open your mind to the knowlage of the world.

this has nothing to do with hate or homophobia....i have several gay friends and they understand that they are the ones at risk of hiv/aids....they are not ignorant to the real facts of the matter....likewise my heterosexual friends understand they are safe from this disease...when will people remove the wool from their eyes and see the truth....this is no different then how sickle cell only strikes afro-american people.

Originally posted by Yeticha
this has nothing to do with hate or homophobia....i have several gay friends and they understand that they are the ones at risk of hiv/aids....they are not ignorant to the real facts of the matter....likewise my heterosexual friends understand they are safe from this disease...when will people remove the wool from their eyes and see the truth....this is no different then how sickle cell only strikes afro-american people.

You Sir are warped. So you are straight, go have sex with someone that has HIV.
I dont believe you have gay friends.

You are very Ignorant. You are as smart as your avatar is, Hank.

Have you provided One link to back up your out of control claims?

Are you passing things off as fact, when they are false? Yes