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The Actual Situation Re Poverty, Opioids, and Education in Appalachia: Kentucky Edition

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posted on Apr, 17 2017 @ 07:53 AM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Are you basing your information solely off this video?

Because I have an friend, that lives in KY. She basically runs the hospital in her area, which is central to several very poor areas. She says there are PLENTY of jobs!!!! Hell, in nursing, they are even providing daycare.

The problem is DRUGS. They are seeing that every single day.

That is where help is needed, addiction treatment.
But we are having the same problem here in small communities in MI.
You just came at this thread the wrong way.
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posted on Apr, 17 2017 @ 08:02 AM
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a reply to: chiefsmom

Part of it is jobs though. A lot of the coal jobs simply dried up leaving a lot of people high and dry and at loose ends. That helped contribute to the drug issues among other things. People who are hopeless find ways to cope. I think some of the areas with high drug problems got their start from people looking to extend unemployment (remember funemployement anyone?) by shifting to disability. You get unlucky and your disability diagnosis comes with painkillers. You get even less lucky, and you get hooked on those. That becomes a heroine addiction.

That's not to say that adding jobs back into the equation now will help the addicts much, but it might stop the negative spiral adding new addicts.
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posted on Apr, 17 2017 @ 08:06 AM
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I argue with my wife on a similar topic all the time. She works part time at a local elementary school. There are (many) kids there the teachers and school workers KNOW do not get fed at home. They do not get their clothes washed at home. Why the hell would social services not be called to a house where they do not feed their own children? The answer I'm given is unless they find physical abuse they will do nothing.

So what good are programs like food stamps, WIC, welfare, etc when the parents don't even feed their own children? And no one will enforce it? They just rely on public schools to feed their children and wash their clothes. Which isn't the job of public education.



posted on Apr, 17 2017 @ 08:14 AM
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a reply to: jjkenobi

Sometimes I think those programs just exist to make the rest of us feel good that something is being done even though in a lot of cases it isn't.

How many times do you hear about the Child Services people getting their noses up in the wrong people's business and completely missing the starving special needs child looked in the attic for years on end?



posted on Apr, 17 2017 @ 08:18 AM
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Fact is, you could pick any state in the nation and you'll find a segment of the population that is chronically unemployed and has a drug problem.

This isn't a new problem and no quick fix solutions from government will solve it.



posted on Apr, 17 2017 @ 09:07 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Ill tell you though...you can't help but notice opiates are only really a major problem in the US when our military is heavily involved in opium producing nations.

Kinda like how the coke problem in the US was mostly confined to the era of US interdiction into Latin America.

The move of opiates into CII narcotics, to me, was nothing more than the government trying to ensure people bought their own heroin imports instead of pills from the doctor. So now folks like me, who don't have opiate issues, can't really have access to medical help that, previously, would have been reasonably accessible to me.
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posted on Apr, 17 2017 @ 09:44 AM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: DBCowboy

Ill tell you though...you can't help but notice opiates are only really a major problem in the US when our military is heavily involved in opium producing nations.



That's not true. Opiates have always been a problem. Currently we are seeing it as a higher problem because VA's give that out like it's M&M's on Halloween.


Kinda like how the coke problem in the US was mostly confined to the era of US interdiction into Latin America.

The move of opiates into CII narcotics, to me, was nothing more than the government trying to ensure people bought their own heroin imports instead of pills from the doctor. So now folks like me, who don't have opiate issues, can't really have access to medical help that, previously, would have been reasonably accessible to me.


Supply and demand. We'll always have a drug problem in this country.



posted on Apr, 17 2017 @ 09:54 AM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Drug problems grow and decline. You can see this easier on the outskirts, here in smaller towns. Throughout the 60's and 70's the drug problem was heroine and other opiates used in lieu of it. In the 80's and 90's it was coke. Once we moved back into Afghanistan, it was heroin again. With meth taking up the other end of the spectrum of feels.

Interesting that the VA is involved in the addiction cycle, though.....that only further supports what im saying here: the biggest dope peddler in the US is Uncle Sam.



posted on Apr, 17 2017 @ 10:15 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
I ran a Google translate program from this video. . .



What came out was the OP.



I'm just glad people are NOW paying attention to poverty because is sure as sh#t was ignored when the leftist messiah was in office.


Trump's a bastard, and damn Trump, because of WW1, and WW2, and the 3rd Crusades, and reality TV, and that damn Devos too, oh yeah poor people in Kentucky, damnit Trump's fault because coal is mined there and lots of people died from Polio. RAWRRRR!!


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posted on Apr, 17 2017 @ 10:22 AM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

My experiences in the UK show a pattern of drug use hand in hand with music culture.
70's Speed/amphetamine, 80's Coke, 90's Ecstacy, now clubland is full of coke again.

Heroin has always been the escapist non recreational drug here. It's the only drug I've never personally tried mainly because I've never met a Heroin addict who has been a good advert for the product.

We have unwashed hungry children of addicts in the UK but either the schools or other agencies pick up on it quickly and they are taken into foster care.
Socialist state, maybe, but sometimes the rights of the children outweigh the rights of the parent in my mind.

My now adult son never faced a risk of being taken into care though, easy to avoid if one is not addicted to heroin.



posted on Apr, 17 2017 @ 12:00 PM
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a reply to: grainofsand

you don't find designer drugs in any appreciable quantity in small town America. At least, not in West Texas.

The growing issue here is Mexican meth. There is some cartel collaboration with aryan and biker groups. I think its the Banditos are handling a lot of the "north of the border" operations on behalf of the cartels.



posted on Apr, 17 2017 @ 12:04 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: grainofsand

you don't find designer drugs in any appreciable quantity in small town America. At least, not in West Texas.

The growing issue here is Mexican meth. There is some cartel collaboration with aryan and biker groups. I think its the Banditos are handling a lot of the "north of the border" operations on behalf of the cartels.


That would make sense. The bikers are out there on the back roads.

We used to drive the back roads to get to both my grandparents and there was a small town that had one empty store front, no police station. Pretty quiet place. Had a few well maintained houses and the local grain elevator. Then all of a sudden the bikers moved into that empty store front and set up camp for a period of months.

They're out there roaming.



posted on Apr, 17 2017 @ 12:25 PM
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a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Ah got ya

Meth is rare as rocking horse poo in the UK.
Our junkies do crack and heroin to ruin their lives, while recreational drug users choose mainly coke, ecstasy, or speed.
Ketamine is a bit of a crossover drug for junkies and clubbers, but frowned upon in parties or whatever due to the zombie junky nature of its effect.



posted on Apr, 17 2017 @ 01:51 PM
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a reply to: chiefsmom

No. I'm basing it on a three-decade background as a professional in the field of Children & Families and helping the disenfranchised and poorly educated and drug-affected people put their lives back together. My clients were people like them. But thanks for asking.

I was thinking about this thread earlier while running errands. The problem out there is JOBS. If Trump wants to help those people, then he can get busy on infrastructure and PUT THEM TO WORK. The drugs are a SYMPTOM of the condition.



Here's another video to reinforce the FACTS that this is happening and it is due to the coal mines shutting down, the big corporations clearing out, and leaving the former miners to fend for themselves, with no more "company store" and no more jobs.

DESPAIR is what drives people to hard drugs. (Pot is not a hard drug.) (And it does not "lead to" hard drugs.)
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posted on Apr, 17 2017 @ 01:58 PM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I'm not blaming it on Trump, and that's a weird conclusion.


When you turn an intro to an apparently apolitical social study into a power rant about how absurd Trump is, what other conclusion to all that jibberish could be found?

Don't troll me.
I am not blaming Trump, dude. GIVE. IT. A. REST.

It is not in any way "apolitical." It is tied directly to politics, lobbying, and the collapse of the coal industry. The coal industry is dead.
The people left in its wake need help. If you block assistance and don't offer them jobs or educations, and just leave them to rot, you get this.

Trump is a tool ripe for the big business owners to play. You wanted the guy; you get to own it. IF you're let down by him (because he's reversed every single platform stance now), AND you don't want to help these people, then shove off! Don't come crying to us to help you, either, lest you be cast as a hypocrite. But since someone (or someone like you) mentioned it, the last administration was BLOCKED from doing anything about them. Remember? Do you recall?

Do you have a recollection of how the GOP blocked EVERY THING Obama wanted to do?
Everything. All things.

Remember that? Yeah, that sucked.
Now you guys get to have the ball. Don't muck it up.



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posted on Apr, 17 2017 @ 02:05 PM
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originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: BuzzyWigs



It Is Reality


No, that's your opinion. And I think partisanship comes in to play. Every president is the worst ever to the opposition.

Personally I feel it's more of the same. He hasn't shown me how he's for the common folk, more establishment agenda pushing IMO.


IT IS FACTUAL.

What do you dare to suggest it was 'staged' like you think Sandy Hook was staged? That's so disingenuous that it is ridiculous.

You'd LIKE for it to be my opinion, but it is not. It is fact. Real true fact. Not "alternative facts." Sorry to prick your balloon, but no.



posted on Apr, 17 2017 @ 02:09 PM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

If you care so much about them then why did you poison the discussion well here with all that wacky Trump bash virtue signalling.

The real kicker is, if anyone is to blame wouldn't it be Obama??




OH MY GOD are you going to address the topic or not?
Last request. Address the topic. It is not Obama - because obstructionism. And you know it.
Trump is the one who said he'd help. Now here is a problem that he needs to solve, because you all didn't want to solve it under Obama. Oh nono.....nope. No.

Now he's in charge. I'm pointing out a real problem that I really do care about. I don't care about you, or what you think. I care about those kids. And you all voted for a 'problem solver' - a 'decider.' Now hold his feet to the fire and make him do what he said he would, or admit that you goofed.

Meanwhile, those kids will be going to K. What will Betsy do to help those teachers? Those kids?



posted on Apr, 17 2017 @ 02:17 PM
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originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs

originally posted by: Oldtimer2
Sounds like you made up your mind off of opinions and misconstrued information,when you use these as a basis,end result looks like a liberal rant with no basis,waste of time
A liberal rant?

No. A concerned mother of two who was fortunate to have a job. There are no jobs there. The kids are suffering for it, but you all don't want to help them.


Remember way back in the day when people moved to where the money was?

Tiny town, no industry....writing should have been on the wall for them a LONG time ago. Poverty begets poverty. If you can't afford to live somewhere then why have kids? If you can't get a job somewhere then why would you continue to stay there?


If these people truly wanted to help the kids, they'd move.
Like the Beverly Hillbillies, you mean? How on earth do you think they have the means to pay for moving? That is such a lame excuse.
"Why should others be responsible for bad decisions made?"

Because they were living there in company towns and company housing and shopping in company stores and working in company mines. THE COMPANIES PULLED OUT.


Sure, they could move IF THEY HAD MONEY. And if they had JOBS, they would have MONEY. But you lot don't want to give them those things. Lame.
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posted on Apr, 17 2017 @ 02:18 PM
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Meanwhile, those kids will be going to K. What will Betsy do to help those teachers? Those kids?


You know buzzy, you are always talking about how you have so much experience in that field so why not do something about it and move there for awhile and educate them on how to do it.



posted on Apr, 17 2017 @ 02:19 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Job loss....what a great topic. And what happens when opportunity (what we really mean when we say "jobs") tends to grow only like a desert flower, blooming every sometimes and benefitting only a few.

"Job training" only works if you have the wherewithall to benefit. Not everyone is built to meet accuracy goals in data entry, or create code that is useful. You have to figure that there are some jobs that were most suited for the lower end of the IQ pool that are now gone, too. Coal mining is one such job (although bright folks did it, too....its not a catch all for morons or something). Coming from the oil fields i completely understand what happens when demand for your mineral deposits drops and leaves you unemployed....its been my entire life.

I think the key word is "opportunity". Which has a counterpart in "capability" and "willingness". If the three aren't present, no match can be made. Call centers are a good opportunity for people who are willing, even if barely capable (trust me....i've directed call centers and have seen some terrible employees cling to a job beyond all reason). Willing is the hard part...its not work that just anyone can do. Especially people who consider themselves "laborers" like coal miners would. I had a call center with 400 seats, 90% of which were staffed by females. Most men just felt it wasn't masculine to work indoors, at a desk where you can't curse a little and have to keep quiet. So our prime employee target was their wives, who were happy to spend some time at work to make some "me money" to spend. Sucked for our evening staffing....but you win some and lose some. Point being: not everyone is willing to do the type of work that would be made available in economically depressed communities.




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