Let us welcome Turkey into official dictatorship

Seems like Islamic countries prefer dictatorships. Not sure why but I think they look at democracy as weakness.

a reply to: dragonridr

Not sure why but I think they look at democracy as weakness.

Can you point out exactly what country is a good example of a democracy, all I'm seeing is the illusion of such

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
a reply to: dragonridr

Not sure why but I think they look at democracy as weakness.

Can you point out exactly what country is a good example of a democracy, all I'm seeing is the illusion of such

First, please tell us what your definition of "good", in this context, entails.

Elsewise this is nothing more than a guessing game in you you have the option of rejecting all submissions.

a reply to: MOMof3

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the Patriot Act and the Authorization for Use of Military Force in Iraq had the blessings of the Congress.

originally posted by: Bhadhidar

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
a reply to: dragonridr

Not sure why but I think they look at democracy as weakness.

Can you point out exactly what country is a good example of a democracy, all I'm seeing is the illusion of such

First, please tell us what your definition of "good", in this context, entails.

Elsewise this is nothing more than a guessing game in you you have the option of rejecting all submissions.

This could derail the entire thread so I'll merely say it all depends on the agreed understanding of what a 'democracy' actually means, in my mind, that would be where the people vote and decide on relevant matters, not the corporations, not corporate controlled politicians, not the banks, but the people.

And I've already said I can't find any good examples

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
a reply to: dragonridr

Not sure why but I think they look at democracy as weakness.

Can you point out exactly what country is a good example of a democracy, all I'm seeing is the illusion of such

Only if you wear a tin foil hat and see conspiracies everywhere. Or you havnt been to countries like sweden or one of my favorite places new zealand.

en.wikipedia.org...





PS notice the United States ranks as a flawed democracy interesting no?

a reply to: Vector99

It's a sad day for Turkey, looks like they're living up to their Name.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
a reply to: dragonridr

Not sure why but I think they look at democracy as weakness.

Can you point out exactly what country is a good example of a democracy, all I'm seeing is the illusion of such

Only if you wear a tin foil hat and see conspiracies everywhere. Or you havnt been to countries like sweden or one of my favorite places new zealand.

en.wikipedia.org...

It's good to know the likes of New Zealand, Norway and Iceland are up there, but it's also no conspiracy that the term 'democracy' is very wide in context

It can't be recognized. This time expect a real coup/military anti-coup or a long civil war. All kinds of nasty stuff. Time to build a wall, seriously.

a reply to: surnamename57

Yes that is true. Congress can no longer govern and have made amendments to give president more power.

originally posted by: PapagiorgioCZ
It can't be recognized. This time expect a real coup/military anti-coup or a long civil war. All kinds of nasty stuff. Time to build a wall, seriously.

The chance to destabilise another Islamic country won't be wasted.

Perhaps the removal of US missiles from Turkey.

Certainly future membership of NATO is uncertain.

A lot of potential change for sure...

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: surnamename57

Congress can no longer govern and have made amendments to give president more power.

Are you serious?

Are you serious?

When congress cannot agree, bills do not pass, wars cannot be declared, budgets can't be passed, taxes cannot be raised or lowered. In other words, their job. That is why congress came up the the Iraq Resolution to expand the war powers for Bush.

a reply to: Vector99

Yea makes sense to wait until a lot of eyes direct elsewhere. So timing is about right and was not meant to fool those like us that could see it coming. Just needed to fool enough to make it work and stay in power.

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: verschickter

I just cannot believe Turks would be this stupid, then again, I've met a lot of Turks.

I guess I'm not surprised. They actually like this guy.

I wouldn't be so assuming...

The referendum was held under a state of emergency that was declared following a failed military coup attempt in July 2016.

Early results indicated a 51-49% lead for the 'Yes' vote.

The Supreme Electoral Council allowed non-stamped ballots to be accepted as valid. The main opposition parties decried this move as illegal, claimed that as many as 1.5 million ballots were unstamped, and refused to recognize the results

en.wikipedia.org...

55 M eligible voters..
85% turn-out last election (when there was not a state of emergency)

Lets say optimistically 46 Million voted..

51% or 23.5 voted for the Constitutional ref.
49% or 22.5% voted against..

If 1.5 Million Ballots were "unstamped"..

Turkish ballots are usually stamped before they are handed to voters but the board announced at the last minute it would accept unstamped ballots unless they could be proven to be fraudulent.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

Just sayin...I wouldn't be so quick to blame the Turkish people...

originally posted by: Neith
a reply to: Vector99

It's a sad day for Turkey, looks like they're living up to their Name.

Did you know in original suggestion there was gonna be turkeys on one dollar bill?

a reply to: Vector99

This picture from an official rally of support looks like the beginning of a bad sci-fi movie..



www.telegraph.co.uk...

originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: Vector99

This picture from an official rally of support looks like the beginning of a bad sci-fi movie..

www.telegraph.co.uk...

This is probably the worst thing that has happened in my lifetime. Literally and I am in my 40's.

The implications for Europe could be carostrophic.

a reply to: luthier

It's a dark moon on the rise for the past few years..

The idea of democracy itself is under assault globally.

Destroying something is always easier than building something.

Undoing the damage will take significantly longer than it took to tear down democratic progress....and the tide is still moving in the wrong direction.

Lady Liberties torch still flickers, just dimmer than before..hoping the storm passes soon.