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What is evil? Historically, the question of evil has been a theological one. Generations of theological apologists have written entire libraries of books in an attempt to certify the existence of a Good God that created an imperfect world. Saint Augustine distinguished between two forms of evil: “moral evil”, the evil humans do, by choice, knowing that they are doing wrong; and “natural evil”, the bad things that just happen – the storm, the flood, volcanic eruptions, fatal disease. And then, there is what Andrew Łobaczewski calls Macrosocial Evil: large scale evil that overtakes whole societies and nations, and has done so again and again since time immemorial. The history of mankind, when considered objec- tively, is a terrible thing.
Hervey Cleckley actually comes very close to suggesting that psychopaths are human in every respect – but that they lack a soul. This lack of “soul quality” makes them very efficient “machines”. They can write scholarly works, imitate the words of emotion, but over time, it becomes clear that their words do not match their actions. They are the type of person who can claim that they are devastated by grief who then attend a party “to forget”. The problem is: they really do forget.
Being very efficient machines, like a computer, they are able to execute very complex routines designed to elicit from others support for what they want. In this way, many psychopaths are able to reach very high positions in life. It is only over time that their associates become aware of the fact that their climb up the ladder of success is predicated on violating the rights of others. “Even when they are indif- ferent to the rights of their associates, they are often able to inspire feelings of trust and confidence.”
But that 90-some percent of normal people know that something is wrong! They just can’t quite identify it; can’t quite put their finger on it; and because they can’t, they tend to think that there is nothing they can do about it, or maybe it is just God punishing people.
What is actually the case is that when that 90-some percent of human beings fall into a certain state, as Łobaczewski will describe, the psychopaths, like a viru- lent pathogen in a body, strike at the weaknesses, and the entire society is plunged into conditions that always and inevitably lead to horror and tragedy on a very large scale.
The movie, The Matrix , touched a deep chord in society because it exemplified this mechanistic trap in which so many people find their lives enmeshed, and from which they are unable to extricate themselves because they believe that everyone around them who “looks human” is, in fact, just like them – emotionally, spiritu- ally, and otherwise.
It has often been noted that psychopaths have a distinct advantage over human beings with conscience and feelings because the psychopath does not have con- science and feelings. What seems to be so is that conscience and feelings are re- lated to the abstract concepts of “future” and “others”. It is “spatio-temporal”. We can feel fear, sympathy, empathy, sadness, and so on because we can imagine in an abstract way, the future based on our own experiences in the past, or even just “concepts of experiences” in myriad variations. We can “see ourselves” in them even though they are “out there” and this evokes feelings in us. We can’t do some- thing hurtful because we can imagine it being done to us and how it would feel. In other words, we can not only identify with others spatially – so to say – but also temporally – in time.
The psychopath does not seem to have this capacity.
Anyone who has ever observed a cat playing with a mouse before killing and eating it has probably explained to themselves that the cat is just “entertained” by the antics of the mouse and is unable to conceive of the terror and pain being ex- perienced by the mouse. The cat, therefore, is innocent of any evil intent. The mouse dies, the cat is fed, and that is nature. Psychopaths don’t generally eat their victims.
Yes, in extreme cases of psychopathy, the entire cat and mouse dynamic is car- ried out. Cannibalism has a long history wherein it was assumed that certain pow- ers of the victim could be assimilated by eating some particular part of them. But in ordinary life, psychopaths don’t normally go all the way, so to say. This causes us to look at the cat and mouse scenario again with different eyes. Now we ask: is it too simplistic to think that the innocent cat is merely entertained by the mouse running about and frantically trying to escape? Is there something more to this dynamic than meets the eye? Is there something more than being “entertained” by the antics of the mouse trying to flee? After all, in terms of evolution, why would such behavior be hard-wired into the cat? Is the mouse tastier because of the chemicals of fear that flood his little body? Is a mouse frozen with terror more of a “gourmet” meal?
originally posted by: SpeakerofTruth
Yes. I am familiar with the concept. It's basically the study of elitist psychopathology. Something that's not straight facedly deniable.
It's only crazy in the sense that people see it happening and allow it to continue. It's pretty blatant now, and has been for the last 20 years.
originally posted by: swedy13
a reply to: ClovenSky
I've been thinking about this a lot actually.
I feel like a lot of things being done are suspect. It's like this weird international, cross-industry conspiracy. Except that seems crazy.
originally posted by: ClovenSky
a reply to: 123143
Well, thank you very much for your response, but I am having a hard time discovering your point. Are you saying that this issue is very simple and the presented information is just confusing the underlying problem?
Would you be able to explain where the 'fail' is?
originally posted by: 123143
originally posted by: ClovenSky
a reply to: 123143
Well, thank you very much for your response, but I am having a hard time discovering your point. Are you saying that this issue is very simple and the presented information is just confusing the underlying problem?
Would you be able to explain where the 'fail' is?
Did you read the rest of the thread? Did you read my reply?
Question answered.
It could very well be. That falls in line with the old idea "They're just people like everyone else." Here's the problem I have with that line of reasoning. Most of the elite, not all, but most, really have no iota as to what it is to struggle to make ends meet. Not to sound cliche, but most were born with "silver spoons."
originally posted by: swedy13
a reply to: SpeakerofTruth
I think my point is it doesn't have yo be this crazy conspiracy (although maybe it is). It could be simple biological drives fueling the chaos.
originally posted by: xbeta
there is no evil. all is good.
no. study of evil is only thing because all is evil.
no. Evil of study is the only problem.
no.
originally posted by: xbeta
a reply to: Advantage
if i were living in a tropic island totally rich and with no idea of death since you didnt met anyone bofore,how would you know evil? you wouldnt. so you try to study evil because you are bored in that island all alone, you make stuff like accidently falling down a tree while there were fruits on the ground and you make up an idea of evil and then...because you know no death and you are still so bored you study it to the extreme to annul it again. so is there evil?no there is you and your sense of studying yourself.because you are booreed.