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China's second aircraft carrier may be launched April 23

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posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 12:09 PM
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China has been making some good progress on their second aircraft carrier. It appears to be nearly structurally complete and there is speculation the ship will launch on April 23.

The cv17 shandong is a derivative of the varyag class and sports a ski jump and no catapults. It is supposed to b more rational in it's internal layout making it far more livable than the ex varyag. The shandong is supposed to be completed and in service circa 2020.

The next carrier is supposed to get cats - steam cats no less! - and go full catobar. I have my doubts, but I have been wrong before and will be again.

china-defense.blogspot.com...




posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 12:15 PM
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a reply to: anzha

The bow piece of the next ship clearly showed cat tracks before the end piece was placed.



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 12:22 PM
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a reply to: anzha

I love that I'm so clueless about this. I figured out the ski jump is a launching aircraft (not a leisure boat). What are cats? Certainly not the YouTube variety.



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 12:25 PM
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a reply to: anzha

Their show of force. Projection of force by carrier is obsolete anyway.

Bobbing cork technology is like sooo obsolete nowadays.

Hypersonic cruise missiles, rocket torpedoes and rocket mines make anything floating on the surface like shooting ducks on a pond, literally.



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 12:34 PM
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a reply to: swedy13

Catapults. You can launch an aircraft at maximum takeoff weight with a catapult. A ski jump requires a lower takeoff weight, so you can carry some weapons and some fuel, but not a maximum load of both.



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 12:37 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

Oh, thanks. Haha, somehow I wasn't able you make that connection.



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 02:19 PM
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a reply to: swedy13

If it flys in the sky and does not need a vet to fix it you can rely on Zaph to know pretty much everything about it down to the name of the guy who screwed in the left instrument panel



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 02:20 PM
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a reply to: Maxatoria

That's not true. The guys that put the panels in retired a couple years ago. I don't know the new guys names.




posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 02:54 PM
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a reply to: anzha

Looks small to me and time to modernize thats an old soviet design if i have ever seen one.



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 02:58 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr

The second Chinese carrier is a variant of the Varyag, which is now the Liaoning in Chinese service. They got the Varyag from Russia. It was the second of the Admiral Kuznetsov class carriers. It was never commissioned, but was launched. It was sold to them by the Ukraine.



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 03:26 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: dragonridr

The second Chinese carrier is a variant of the Varyag, which is now the Liaoning in Chinese service. They got the Varyag from Russia. It was the second of the Admiral Kuznetsov class carriers. It was never commissioned, but was launched. It was sold to them by the Ukraine.


Doesnt make sense to me if your going to spend the time to make a carrier why base it off an outdated design. Todays modern aircraft cant use a ramp effectively that was world war 2. where are they going to launch early warning craft they are much to big for that deck. seems silly to waste time and money.



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 03:40 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr

Because you don't go from building an air defense destroyer, and cruiser, to a CATOBAR carrier. The US didn't go from the Langley, to the Enterprise in one fell swoop. They built jeep carriers, and gradually larger carrier classes, until they worked up to the first CATOBAR. Then it was just a matter of upscaling and developing the reactors.

The Chinese have to follow the same learning curve. They are starting with a design based on a carrier they already have in service, because it's something that they have they can examine. The next carrier will be the next step.



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 07:08 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: anzha

Their show of force. Projection of force by carrier is obsolete anyway.

Bobbing cork technology is like sooo obsolete nowadays.

Hypersonic cruise missiles, rocket torpedoes and rocket mines make anything floating on the surface like shooting ducks on a pond, literally.


An aircraft carrier makes a useful platform for offshore troop support. There are enough supplies to last for months, so it's cheaper than maintaining an army base.



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 07:18 PM
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originally posted by: stormcell

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: anzha

Their show of force. Projection of force by carrier is obsolete anyway.

Bobbing cork technology is like sooo obsolete nowadays.

Hypersonic cruise missiles, rocket torpedoes and rocket mines make anything floating on the surface like shooting ducks on a pond, literally.


An aircraft carrier makes a useful platform for offshore troop support. There are enough supplies to last for months, so it's cheaper than maintaining an army base.

Study the amphibious invasions at Normandy, France and Inchon, Korea.

Much more complicated operations when its a landing in force.



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 09:39 PM
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They have specialised landing support ships for invasions..Carriers are just portable airfields for support..
What is the difference between Cat and Ski for takeoff rotation times?



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 09:43 PM
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a reply to: Blackfinger

About the same if you're talking per aircraft. The delay is in the middle when they're loading and fueling. In terms of volume of aircraft, a CATOBAR can launch much faster. A Nimitz has four cats that can launch simultaneously, as opposed to a single aircraft at a time.



posted on Apr, 16 2017 @ 12:48 AM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: anzha

The bow piece of the next ship clearly showed cat tracks before the end piece was placed.


My bet is they are just using the same sections for economic reasons and will introduce the cats when they have ironed out the issues. Iam more surprised they re going for steam CTS rather than emals. All reports before I'd herd were for emals.



posted on Apr, 16 2017 @ 05:44 AM
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a reply to: anzha

That's a hell of a leap to go from STOBAR to EMALS though.



posted on Apr, 16 2017 @ 09:35 AM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: anzha

That's a hell of a leap to go from STOBAR to EMALS though.


Would it be practical to install EMALS on a conventionally powered carrier, or are the power requirements high enough to necessitate a nuclear reactor?

Given how new EMALS is, I'm not sure how much information is public. I'm sure it would be possible to install EMALS on a conventional carrier, but would having less power available compared to a nuclear powered carrier negatively affect charge times, cycle times, and launch cadence?



posted on Apr, 16 2017 @ 10:01 AM
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a reply to: PhloydPhan

You would probably need a nuclear powered carrier. The Ford produces a lot of power to power future upgrades, but I'd think a reactor would be a lot better for EMALS than a conventional powerplant.



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