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Iranian "stealth" fighter F-313 qaher begins taxi tests.

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posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 03:49 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: seagull


...and just how many of these super missile launchers, obviously invisible to satellites, do you proclaim Iran has???

And just how many do you proclaim they don't have?

The basic technology has been around since the Exocet missile was deployed in 1981. Improved upon by a host of companies since then, the basic response by nations who have the money to build defensive measures against the one known threat in the world, The US aircraft carrier. I can't think of another LST so obsolete and yet still depended upon by US to impose its will upon the planet.

What a bunch of dummies ...


Your not a military expert are you?Outside the Persian Gulf, in the Gulf of Oman, the US Navy can romp with ease, beyond the range of the Iranian threat, but well within the operational range of the US carriers. Ok now lets say Iran tried a surprise attack Inside the Persian Gulf, there are two problems for the Iranians. First of all their missiles maneuverability is limited because the steering fins are small, to avoid drag during supersonic flight. Therefore, the missile can make steering corrections of perhaps 1/2 mile in the last few miles of approach. The carrier, even if successfully plotted, doesn’t need to scoot very far to side step the missile. And do to advanced warning of launch has the time to do so.

Now Another problem is initial targeting, to send the missile to its somewhat limited “kill zone.” That requires OTH (“over the horizon”) radar. This is how the missile will get its vector and its assigned kill zone.There is (by design) no communication between ground and missile once it is launched. And the radar itself is vulnerable to jamming, creating a kind of electronic smokescreen. So we have a missile that doesnt even know if its target is in its kill zone until it gets there. Problem for Iran is that everything must not only work, but it must work perfectly. The more links in the chain from detection to engagement, the more points of vulnerability.

And keep in mind the US carrier will go on offence, planes will be launched missile will be tracked back to their source. And even if they hit the aircraft carrier its very unlikely they can take it out. And they are not fighting just one ship but an entire battle group. And each ship has offensive and defensive measures.






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posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 05:33 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr

CIWS is susceptible to overheating, must cool between bursts, is limited to a few engagements, would be quickly overwhelmed by several dozen incoming missiles from all angles.

Due to low altitude (sea skimming) approach, ship board defenses in some cases have less than 30 seconds between detection and impact.

Of course that is if the attack isn't carried during inclement weather, at night or when awacs or helicopters aren't flying cover.

The missiles themselves are able to re acquire the target from preloaded images thru jamming, chaff, flares, where ever it happens to be after launch. Some won't find the carrier, some will. The faster the carrier turns screws to get away, the longer the wake for spy ships and subs to shadow. it won't take but a few impacts, once the defenses are expended.

The most amazing assertion is somehow the biggest carriers and support elements will be able to hide on an ocean.

The Japanese carriers were found during WWII time and again, without radar, in an ocean the size of the Pacific, by observation planes. That drone footage of a US carrier and the shadow vessel footage of the sinking of the Saudi ship are pertinent.



posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 05:38 PM
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a reply to: grey580


200 mile range for the missile.

I went on google maps and ran a 200 mile line from Iran, past the Gulf of Oman and out into the Arabian Sea.

Missiles can be launched from surface vessels, subs (along with rocket torpedoes) and aircraft.

Rocket Mines can be sown anywhere in choke points to reduce or stop egress.

They aren't going to piecemeal an attack it will be coordinated and planned in advance.



posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 05:45 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: dragonridr

CIWS is susceptible to overheating, must cool between bursts, is limited to a few engagements, would be quickly overwhelmed by several dozen incoming missiles from all angles.

Due to low altitude (sea skimming) approach, ship board defenses in some cases have less than 30 seconds between detection and impact.

Of course that is if the attack isn't carried during inclement weather, at night or when awacs or helicopters aren't flying cover.

The missiles themselves are able to re acquire the target from preloaded images thru jamming, chaff, flares, where ever it happens to be after launch. Some won't find the carrier, some will. The faster the carrier turns screws to get away, the longer the wake for spy ships and subs to shadow. it won't take but a few impacts, once the defenses are expended.

The most amazing assertion is somehow the biggest carriers and support elements will be able to hide on an ocean.

The Japanese carriers were found during WWII time and again, without radar, in an ocean the size of the Pacific, by observation planes. That drone footage of a US carrier and the shadow vessel footage of the sinking of the Saudi ship are pertinent.







Ciws doesnt overheat it will run out of ammunition first. I think what confused you is you have to wait until it cools for reload. But carriers are now equipped with LWS as well aka XN-1 LaWS. Lets not forget the 57 mm bofors and the RIM-116 . There is no surprise like you seem to think the fleet has a launch detection system. At launch the missile is identified and a track is displayed. Please show me where Iran has anti ship missiles with pre loaded images you made that up, They simply look for a heat signature in their kill zone. Bottom line is carrier defence is not easy to defeat. The only one i think could would be Russia using their fleet.
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posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 06:40 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

Not sunk, nor was it Saudi.

Drone was harmless, no threat, so no action was taken. What about that is hard to understand? You don't show your hand until all the chips are on the table.

Same back in the day with the Soviets and their flybys of American carrier groups. You show nothing but a couple of F14's sitting alongside you as you flyby. Sufficient to tell you that you're dead with a wrong move. Again, what's hard to understand here?

It's a game. As with any game there are rules. The CBG may venture into the Persian Gulf to show the flag, but if they think anything is likely to happen...hello, gulf of Oman. Those oh so scary, scary missile can't reach 'em, but the carrier(s) can reach them.



posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 08:02 PM
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Not a threat...



posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 08:08 PM
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a reply to: Blackfinger

No it wasnt the donald cook could have destroyed it. It was decided he was not a threat and it appears they were right



posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 08:10 PM
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a reply to: Blackfinger

Nice little airshows.



posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 09:19 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: grey580


200 mile range for the missile.

I went on google maps and ran a 200 mile line from Iran, past the Gulf of Oman and out into the Arabian Sea.

Missiles can be launched from surface vessels, subs (along with rocket torpedoes) and aircraft.

Rocket Mines can be sown anywhere in choke points to reduce or stop egress.

They aren't going to piecemeal an attack it will be coordinated and planned in advance.



OK. CIWS in CONJUNCTION with the new SEAram can hit any sea skimming missile now. Computers clean up backround noise from the waves i hear. SeAram was specifically designed to hit sea skimmers.

the Rocket torpedo is a DUMB FIRE weapon basically and has a 50 -80 mile range and is very very noisy in the water. As they travel in straight lines their trajectory is easy to trace.

Surface ships? they will be sunk even before a carrier rolls in because the Navy isnt a bunch of idiots.

SUbs? They are noisy as well and if hostilities erupt would be sank before they even become a problem. depth charges dropped from aircraft in such a shallow body of water are really nasty id wager.

now the Aircraft could be a problem I agree but their downside is they are really old or slow(except the newer Su's)

Rocket mines? If they are near a US ship when launched CIWS will play SKeet shooting.

Each system Iran has has a counter that can nerf the power of them.

But we all know that the CArriers would move out the gulf (if there) before a strike. Unless the iranians just want to get a Tac nuke off the get go on Tehran for sinking it with a surprise attack.



posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 10:03 PM
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Why didn,t Metal Storm take off as a CWS as it was promoted as being next best thing as sliced bread Zaph?



posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 10:06 PM
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a reply to: Blackfinger

Money and timing. The Navy was already spending money on other programs, and were already looking at SeaRam. If they had worked it out a couple years sooner it might have worked out.



posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 10:18 PM
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Navy bought some barrels in 07 looks like..All went down hill from there..



Metal Storm requested their shares be suspended from trading on 20 July 2012.[19] As of 26 July 2012, the company has been placed in voluntary administration.[19] In late 2015 DefendTex, an Australian-based Defence R&D company acquired the intellectual property, trademarks and other assets of Metal Storm with a view to the continued development and commercialisation of the technology.[20]



posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 10:21 PM
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a reply to: Blackfinger

Yep. That's about the time they decided to go with missiles. Both CIWS and Metalstorm have the same problem. By the time they hit the missile, it's so close that even if it detonates the warhead, the debris is going to hit the ship. A missile gives enough range to prevent that.



posted on Apr, 24 2017 @ 09:27 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr

I am not sure but it sounds like you agree that numbers came from Persia. You almost state that the Egyptian took the Persian technology ( numbers).



posted on Apr, 24 2017 @ 09:42 PM
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a reply to: haman10

Sir, just to clarify your comments...what country are you from?

It's hard to put your statements into context with out that info.

Thanks.



posted on Apr, 24 2017 @ 10:04 PM
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a reply to: haman10

No its not.

As a small guy who has over estimated his abilities quite a few times I am offering the following thoughts.

I have taken on a few bullies. I have gotten in that surprise first punch. Great feeling BTW! Then they would start landing their punches. No one helps the little guy until he is laying flat on his back bleeding.

The few who did not fight me there and then beat me up with their buddies when no one could see.

Take these observations any why you want.

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posted on Apr, 24 2017 @ 10:20 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

Okay I am know you have 70 million people in Iran.

How big is your standing army?

Just curious, I am could look it up but instead I'll give you the opportunity to yell us.



posted on Apr, 24 2017 @ 10:26 PM
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Once Iran has trained its midget pilots it will launch them into the air in a substance the west never thought of to make stealthy high performance aircraft on the cheap...in Fiberglass:



Is that also the worlds smallest ejector seat?
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posted on Apr, 24 2017 @ 10:26 PM
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originally posted by: SmilingROB
a reply to: intrptr

Okay I am know you have 70 million people in Iran.

How big is your standing army?

Just curious, I am could look it up but instead I'll give you the opportunity to yell us.

Don't drink and type.

Done with this dead end thread anyway.



posted on Apr, 24 2017 @ 10:32 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

You are right.
They were tracked down by aircraft flying off a us carrier.
Then they were destroyed by aircraft flown off a carrier.

You seem to miss the point of what the aircraft and the carrier as a team can accomplish.




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