A very simple question that seem to stumped both atheists and evolutionists alike.

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: edmc^2

Name me something that has no cause!

I can name several but let me just posit these two:

The concept of Infinity and outside of the material universe.

And to prove they have no cause, you would have to prove they exist.

You can't, so your argument, again, fails.

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: edmc^2

Name me something that has no cause!

I can name several but let me just posit these two:

The concept of Infinity and outside of the material universe.

And to prove they have no cause, you would have to prove they exist.

You can't, so your argument, again, fails.

How did he fail?

We all know that Our universe had a beginning. So there was time before Our universe was formed. Science dont deny that.

It is not Our problem that science is laging. I Guess that is Your problem. You can never fallow Our knowlegde can you??

You want us to scientifically prove something science cant prove..... how dumb is that??

We can not prove something science is not capable of,,,,, that is common sense.

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: edmc^2

Name me something that has no cause!

I can name several but let me just posit these two:

The concept of Infinity and outside of the material universe.

And to prove they have no cause, you would have to prove they exist.

You can't, so your argument, again, fails.

How did he fail?

We all know that Our universe had a beginning. So there was time before Our universe was formed. Science dont deny that.

It is not Our problem that science is laging. I Guess that is Your problem. You can never fallow Our knowlegde can you??

Here's a scientific thing for you.

Prove it.

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: edmc^2

Name me something that has no cause!

I can name several but let me just posit these two:

The concept of Infinity and outside of the material universe.

And to prove they have no cause, you would have to prove they exist.

You can't, so your argument, again, fails.

How did he fail?

We all know that Our universe had a beginning. So there was time before Our universe was formed. Science dont deny that.

It is not Our problem that science is laging. I Guess that is Your problem. You can never fallow Our knowlegde can you??

Here's a scientific thing for you.

Prove it.

It cant be, because science is not capable of it....

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: edmc^2

Name me something that has no cause!

I can name several but let me just posit these two:

The concept of Infinity and outside of the material universe.

And to prove they have no cause, you would have to prove they exist.

You can't, so your argument, again, fails.

How did he fail?

We all know that Our universe had a beginning. So there was time before Our universe was formed. Science dont deny that.

It is not Our problem that science is laging. I Guess that is Your problem. You can never fallow Our knowlegde can you??

Here's a scientific thing for you.

Prove it.

It cant be, because science is not capable of it....

So you can't prove it either?

You fail too.

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: edmc^2

Name me something that has no cause!

I can name several but let me just posit these two:

The concept of Infinity and outside of the material universe.

And to prove they have no cause, you would have to prove they exist.

You can't, so your argument, again, fails.

How did he fail?

We all know that Our universe had a beginning. So there was time before Our universe was formed. Science dont deny that.

It is not Our problem that science is laging. I Guess that is Your problem. You can never fallow Our knowlegde can you??

Here's a scientific thing for you.

Prove it.

It cant be, because science is not capable of it....

So you can't prove it either?

You fail too.

No, i have not failed. You have. Science have... Or put in better Words....Your understanding of science have failed.


You can not argue what i have stated.

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: edmc^2

Name me something that has no cause!

I can name several but let me just posit these two:

The concept of Infinity and outside of the material universe.

And to prove they have no cause, you would have to prove they exist.

You can't, so your argument, again, fails.

How did he fail?

We all know that Our universe had a beginning. So there was time before Our universe was formed. Science dont deny that.

It is not Our problem that science is laging. I Guess that is Your problem. You can never fallow Our knowlegde can you??

Here's a scientific thing for you.

Prove it.

It cant be, because science is not capable of it....

So you can't prove it either?

You fail too.

No, i have not failed. You have. Science have... Or put in better Words....Your understanding of science have failed.

So I've failed because you can't prove something you said?

Are we living in some backwards world all of a sudden?

You can not argue what i have stated.

If you can't prove it, there's nothing to argue.

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: edmc^2

Name me something that has no cause!

I can name several but let me just posit these two:

The concept of Infinity and outside of the material universe.

And to prove they have no cause, you would have to prove they exist.

You can't, so your argument, again, fails.

How did he fail?

We all know that Our universe had a beginning. So there was time before Our universe was formed. Science dont deny that.

It is not Our problem that science is laging. I Guess that is Your problem. You can never fallow Our knowlegde can you??

Here's a scientific thing for you.

Prove it.

It cant be, because science is not capable of it....

So you can't prove it either?

You fail too.

No, i have not failed. You have. Science have... Or put in better Words....Your understanding of science have failed.

So I've failed because you can't prove something you said?

Are we living in some backwards world all of a sudden?

You can not argue what i have stated.

If you can't prove it, there's nothing to argue.

I Guess not. So why are you here?

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: edmc^2

Name me something that has no cause!

I can name several but let me just posit these two:

The concept of Infinity and outside of the material universe.

And to prove they have no cause, you would have to prove they exist.

You can't, so your argument, again, fails.

How did he fail?

We all know that Our universe had a beginning. So there was time before Our universe was formed. Science dont deny that.

It is not Our problem that science is laging. I Guess that is Your problem. You can never fallow Our knowlegde can you??

Here's a scientific thing for you.

Prove it.

It cant be, because science is not capable of it....

So you can't prove it either?

You fail too.

No, i have not failed. You have. Science have... Or put in better Words....Your understanding of science have failed.

So I've failed because you can't prove something you said?

Are we living in some backwards world all of a sudden?

You can not argue what i have stated.

If you can't prove it, there's nothing to argue.

I Guess not. So why are you here?

Because it's an open forum where anyone can post a reply to anyone.

Did you forget that between your little rants about things you can't prove?

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: edmc^2

Name me something that has no cause!

I can name several but let me just posit these two:

The concept of Infinity and outside of the material universe.

And to prove they have no cause, you would have to prove they exist.

You can't, so your argument, again, fails.

How did he fail?

We all know that Our universe had a beginning. So there was time before Our universe was formed. Science dont deny that.

It is not Our problem that science is laging. I Guess that is Your problem. You can never fallow Our knowlegde can you??

Here's a scientific thing for you.

Prove it.

It cant be, because science is not capable of it....

So you can't prove it either?

You fail too.

No, i have not failed. You have. Science have... Or put in better Words....Your understanding of science have failed.

So I've failed because you can't prove something you said?

Are we living in some backwards world all of a sudden?

You can not argue what i have stated.

If you can't prove it, there's nothing to argue.

I Guess not. So why are you here?

Because it's an open forum where anyone can post a reply to anyone.

Did you forget that between your little rants about things you can't prove?

No i know that much....

I Guess you just poped in for a randem trolling.....

originally posted by: edmc^2

So, what's the answer to this simple question:

If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?

What say you?

The universe has a cause of its existence which lies outside the universe. We humans can not fathom that cause because it is outside of our reality that does not need any universal rules that we have. As example, does something need a start or have a cause if time is not a factor? If time does not exist outside of our universe there is not a start or end and so no cause too... The God scenario keeps us in some continuous loop of causes... God made the universe, but who made God, who made the thing that made God and so on. Cause is not needed if something is infinite and doesn't have time nor a beginning or end...This is also something we humans can not comprehend since it is totally outside of our existence and universe, so we call it God to give it a name.

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: edmc^2

Name me something that has no cause!

I can name several but let me just posit these two:

The concept of Infinity and outside of the material universe.

And to prove they have no cause, you would have to prove they exist.

You can't, so your argument, again, fails.

How did he fail?

We all know that Our universe had a beginning. So there was time before Our universe was formed. Science dont deny that.

It is not Our problem that science is laging. I Guess that is Your problem. You can never fallow Our knowlegde can you??

Here's a scientific thing for you.

Prove it.

It cant be, because science is not capable of it....

So you can't prove it either?

You fail too.

No, i have not failed. You have. Science have... Or put in better Words....Your understanding of science have failed.

So I've failed because you can't prove something you said?

Are we living in some backwards world all of a sudden?

You can not argue what i have stated.

If you can't prove it, there's nothing to argue.

I Guess not. So why are you here?

Because it's an open forum where anyone can post a reply to anyone.

Did you forget that between your little rants about things you can't prove?

No i know that much....

I Guess you just poped in for a randem trolling.....

Yes. Asking for someone to prove something is trolling.

You like failing, don't you?

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: edmc^2

Name me something that has no cause!

I can name several but let me just posit these two:

The concept of Infinity and outside of the material universe.

And to prove they have no cause, you would have to prove they exist.

You can't, so your argument, again, fails.

How did he fail?

We all know that Our universe had a beginning. So there was time before Our universe was formed. Science dont deny that.

It is not Our problem that science is laging. I Guess that is Your problem. You can never fallow Our knowlegde can you??

Here's a scientific thing for you.

Prove it.

It cant be, because science is not capable of it....

So you can't prove it either?

You fail too.

No, i have not failed. You have. Science have... Or put in better Words....Your understanding of science have failed.

So I've failed because you can't prove something you said?

Are we living in some backwards world all of a sudden?

You can not argue what i have stated.

If you can't prove it, there's nothing to argue.

I Guess not. So why are you here?

Because it's an open forum where anyone can post a reply to anyone.

Did you forget that between your little rants about things you can't prove?

No i know that much....

I Guess you just poped in for a randem trolling.....

Yes. Asking for someone to prove something is trolling.

You like failing, don't you?

I dont think i have failed at this point. You sure have not proved me wrong.......

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: edmc^2

Name me something that has no cause!

I can name several but let me just posit these two:

The concept of Infinity and outside of the material universe.

And to prove they have no cause, you would have to prove they exist.

You can't, so your argument, again, fails.

How did he fail?

We all know that Our universe had a beginning. So there was time before Our universe was formed. Science dont deny that.

It is not Our problem that science is laging. I Guess that is Your problem. You can never fallow Our knowlegde can you??

Here's a scientific thing for you.

Prove it.

It cant be, because science is not capable of it....

So you can't prove it either?

You fail too.

No, i have not failed. You have. Science have... Or put in better Words....Your understanding of science have failed.

So I've failed because you can't prove something you said?

Are we living in some backwards world all of a sudden?

You can not argue what i have stated.

If you can't prove it, there's nothing to argue.

I Guess not. So why are you here?

Because it's an open forum where anyone can post a reply to anyone.

Did you forget that between your little rants about things you can't prove?

No i know that much....

I Guess you just poped in for a randem trolling.....

Yes. Asking for someone to prove something is trolling.

You like failing, don't you?

I dont think i have failed at this point. You sure have not proved me wrong.......

To prove someone wrong, there has to be something from the other side to counter. Just saying something exists, doesn't mean it does.

originally posted by: spy66

We all know that Our universe had a beginning. So there was time before Our universe was formed. Science dont deny that.

We don't know that...Time may just exist within our little bubble of a universe.

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: edmc^2

Name me something that has no cause!

I can name several but let me just posit these two:

The concept of Infinity and outside of the material universe.

And to prove they have no cause, you would have to prove they exist.

You can't, so your argument, again, fails.

How did he fail?

We all know that Our universe had a beginning. So there was time before Our universe was formed. Science dont deny that.

It is not Our problem that science is laging. I Guess that is Your problem. You can never fallow Our knowlegde can you??

Here's a scientific thing for you.

Prove it.

It cant be, because science is not capable of it....

So you can't prove it either?

You fail too.

No, i have not failed. You have. Science have... Or put in better Words....Your understanding of science have failed.

So I've failed because you can't prove something you said?

Are we living in some backwards world all of a sudden?

You can not argue what i have stated.

If you can't prove it, there's nothing to argue.

I Guess not. So why are you here?

Because it's an open forum where anyone can post a reply to anyone.

Did you forget that between your little rants about things you can't prove?

No i know that much....

I Guess you just poped in for a randem trolling.....

Yes. Asking for someone to prove something is trolling.

You like failing, don't you?

I dont think i have failed at this point. You sure have not proved me wrong.......

To prove someone wrong, there has to be something from the other side to counter. Just saying something exists, doesn't mean it does.

Well, why dont you prove me wrong then?

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: edmc^2

Name me something that has no cause!

I can name several but let me just posit these two:

The concept of Infinity and outside of the material universe.

And to prove they have no cause, you would have to prove they exist.

You can't, so your argument, again, fails.

How did he fail?

We all know that Our universe had a beginning. So there was time before Our universe was formed. Science dont deny that.

It is not Our problem that science is laging. I Guess that is Your problem. You can never fallow Our knowlegde can you??

Here's a scientific thing for you.

Prove it.

It cant be, because science is not capable of it....

So you can't prove it either?

You fail too.

No, i have not failed. You have. Science have... Or put in better Words....Your understanding of science have failed.

So I've failed because you can't prove something you said?

Are we living in some backwards world all of a sudden?

You can not argue what i have stated.

If you can't prove it, there's nothing to argue.

I Guess not. So why are you here?

Because it's an open forum where anyone can post a reply to anyone.

Did you forget that between your little rants about things you can't prove?

No i know that much....

I Guess you just poped in for a randem trolling.....

Yes. Asking for someone to prove something is trolling.

You like failing, don't you?

I dont think i have failed at this point. You sure have not proved me wrong.......

To prove someone wrong, there has to be something from the other side to counter. Just saying something exists, doesn't mean it does.

Well, why dont you prove me wrong then?

I will prove you wrong the same way you've proven it right.

You're wrong.

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: edmc^2

Name me something that has no cause!

I can name several but let me just posit these two:

The concept of Infinity and outside of the material universe.

And to prove they have no cause, you would have to prove they exist.

You can't, so your argument, again, fails.

How did he fail?

We all know that Our universe had a beginning. So there was time before Our universe was formed. Science dont deny that.

It is not Our problem that science is laging. I Guess that is Your problem. You can never fallow Our knowlegde can you??

Here's a scientific thing for you.

Prove it.

It cant be, because science is not capable of it....

So you can't prove it either?

You fail too.

No, i have not failed. You have. Science have... Or put in better Words....Your understanding of science have failed.

So I've failed because you can't prove something you said?

Are we living in some backwards world all of a sudden?

You can not argue what i have stated.

If you can't prove it, there's nothing to argue.

I Guess not. So why are you here?

Because it's an open forum where anyone can post a reply to anyone.

Did you forget that between your little rants about things you can't prove?

No i know that much....

I Guess you just poped in for a randem trolling.....

Yes. Asking for someone to prove something is trolling.

You like failing, don't you?

I dont think i have failed at this point. You sure have not proved me wrong.......

To prove someone wrong, there has to be something from the other side to counter. Just saying something exists, doesn't mean it does.

Well, why dont you prove me wrong then?

I will prove you wrong the same way you've proven it right.

You're wrong.

Then, tell me why i am wrong please?

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: edmc^2

Name me something that has no cause!

I can name several but let me just posit these two:

The concept of Infinity and outside of the material universe.

And to prove they have no cause, you would have to prove they exist.

You can't, so your argument, again, fails.

How did he fail?

We all know that Our universe had a beginning. So there was time before Our universe was formed. Science dont deny that.

It is not Our problem that science is laging. I Guess that is Your problem. You can never fallow Our knowlegde can you??

Here's a scientific thing for you.

Prove it.

It cant be, because science is not capable of it....

So you can't prove it either?

You fail too.

No, i have not failed. You have. Science have... Or put in better Words....Your understanding of science have failed.

So I've failed because you can't prove something you said?

Are we living in some backwards world all of a sudden?

You can not argue what i have stated.

If you can't prove it, there's nothing to argue.

I Guess not. So why are you here?

Because it's an open forum where anyone can post a reply to anyone.

Did you forget that between your little rants about things you can't prove?

No i know that much....

I Guess you just poped in for a randem trolling.....

Yes. Asking for someone to prove something is trolling.

You like failing, don't you?

I dont think i have failed at this point. You sure have not proved me wrong.......

To prove someone wrong, there has to be something from the other side to counter. Just saying something exists, doesn't mean it does.

Well, why dont you prove me wrong then?

I will prove you wrong the same way you've proven it right.

You're wrong.

Then, tell me why i am wrong please?

Because I said so.

If it's good enough for you to say that, it should be equally good enough for me too. You wouldn't want to be a hypocrite, would you?

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: edmc^2

Name me something that has no cause!

I can name several but let me just posit these two:

The concept of Infinity and outside of the material universe.

And to prove they have no cause, you would have to prove they exist.

You can't, so your argument, again, fails.

How did he fail?

We all know that Our universe had a beginning. So there was time before Our universe was formed. Science dont deny that.

Actually, Cosmology does deny that. And to be honest, I'm not particularly inclined I take advice on how the universe works from someone who can't even grasp basic rules of grammar and pronunciation while they egotistically rant about how "science" hasn't caught up to their own personal knowledge and gnosis. It's an impressive display of cognitive dissonance, I'll give you that much, but there isn't anything else there beyond that.

It is not Our problem that science is laging. I Guess that is Your problem. You can never fallow Our knowlegde can you??

Except that science isn't lagging, you and your paltry understanding of it is. But hey, don't take my words for it, let's see what Prof. Hawking has to say on the subject...

At this time, the Big Bang, all the matter in the universe, would have been on top of itself. The density would have been infinite. It would have been what is called, a singularity. At a singularity, all the laws of physics would have broken down. This means that the state of the universe, after the Big Bang, will not depend on anything that may have happened before, because the deterministic laws that govern the universe will break down in the Big Bang. The universe will evolve from the Big Bang, completely independently of what it was like before. Even the amount of matter in the universe, can be different to what it was before the Big Bang, as the Law of Conservation of Matter, will break down at the Big Bang.

Since events before the Big Bang have no observational consequences, one may as well cut them out of the theory, and say that time began at the Big Bang. Events before the Big Bang, are simply not defined, because there's no way one could measure what happened at them. This kind of beginning to the universe, and of time itself, is very different to the beginnings that had been considered earlier. These had to be imposed on the universe by some external agency. There is no dynamical reason why the motion of bodies in the solar system can not be extrapolated back in time, far beyond four thousand and four BC, the date for the creation of the universe, according to the book of Genesis. Thus it would require the direct intervention of God, if the universe began at that date. By contrast, the Big Bang is a beginning that is required by the dynamical laws that govern the universe. It is therefore intrinsic to the universe, and is not imposed on it from outside.

You want us to scientifically prove something science cant prove..... how dumb is that??

We can not prove something science is not capable of,,,,, that is common sense.

No, I'd just like to see you get a clue, maybe buy a vowel from Vanna? It's painful to watch you go on and on thinking you've stumbled into some amazing gnosis that has informed you far beyond the scope of people who can read and write in complete sentences and even utilize the rules of grammar when you are so far out of your depth that you can't even see the Forrest for the trees. You continuously make statements as though they are somehow based in fact while being completely oblivious to what is taught in a 101 level physics course all while trumpeting your own marvelous intellect. Seriously... get yourself a library card and take a break from the Internet because you're embarrassing yourself. Hit up your local Community College and see if you can audit a course and then learn something. It would benefit you greatly. There's nothing bad about being wrong. Especially if you take the opportunity to turn it into a positive learning experience. Give it a try sometime ad drop the arrogant routine when it's clear you don't understand the most basic aspects of the science you seem to believe you are successfully disputing when you aren't doing anything close to that.

On the off chance that you are genuinely interested in learning something, or someone is lurking and wants to learn, here's the link to Prof. Hawkinga full lecture on the subject of the originals of soace-Time and how it applies to the Big Bang

www.hawking.org.uk...