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A very simple question that seem to stumped both atheists and evolutionists alike.

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posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 09:35 AM
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Pierre de Fermat (1601–1665) – number theorist who contributed to the early development of calculus
Enrico Fermi (1901–1954) – awarded the Nobel Prize in physics for his work in induced radioactivity
Jean Fernel (1497–1558) – physician who introduced the term physiology
Fibonacci (c.1170–c.1250) – popularized Hindu-Arabic numerals in Europe and discovered the Fibonacci sequence
Hippolyte Fizeau (1819–1896) – first person to determine experimentally the velocity of light[18]
Léon Foucault (1819–1868) – invented the Foucault pendulum to measure the effect of the earth's rotation
Joseph von Fraunhofer (1787–1826) – discovered Fraunhofer lines in the sun's spectrum
Augustin-Jean Fresnel (1788–1827) – made significant contributions to the theory of wave optics
Galileo Galilei (1564–1642) – father of modern science[19]
Luigi Galvani (1737–1798) – formulated the theory of animal electricity
William Gascoigne (1610–1644) – developed the first micrometer
Joseph Louis Gay-Lussac (1778–1850) – chemist known for two laws related to gases
Riccardo Giacconi (1931– ) – Nobel Prize-winning astrophysicist who laid the foundations of X-ray astronomy
Paula González (1932–present) – Roman Catholic sister and professor of biology
Peter Grünberg (1939– ) – German physicist, Nobel Prize in Physics laureate[20]
Johannes Gutenberg (c.1398–1468) – inventor of the printing press
Jean Baptiste Julien d'Omalius d'Halloy (1783–1875) – one of the pioneers of modern geology[21]
Eduard Heis (1806–1877) – astronomer who contributed the first true delineation of the Milky Way
Jan Baptist van Helmont (1579–1644) – founder of pneumatic chemistry
George de Hevesy (1885–1966) – Hungarian radiochemist and Nobel laureate[22]
Charles Hermite (1822–1901) – mathematician who did research on number theory, quadratic forms, elliptic functions, and algebra
John Philip Holland (1840–1914) – developed the first submarine to be formally commissioned by the US Navy
Antoine Laurent de Jussieu (1748–1836) – first to propose a natural classification of flowering plants
Mary Kenneth Keller (c.1914–1985) – Sister of Charity and first American woman to earn a PhD in computer science, helped develop BASIC
Brian Kobilka (1955– ) – American Nobel Prize winning professor who teaches at Stanford University School of Medicine[23][24]
René Laennec (1781–1826) – physician who invented the stethoscope
Joseph Louis Lagrange (1736–1813) – mathematician and astronomer known for Lagrangian points and Lagrangian mechanics
Jean-Baptiste Lamarck (1744–1829) – French naturalist, biologist and academic whose theories on evolution preceded those of Darwin
Johann von Lamont (1805–1879) – astronomer and physicist who studied the magnetism of the Earth and was the first to calculate the mass of Uranus
Karl Landsteiner (1868–1943) – Nobel Prize winner who identified and classified the human blood types
Pierre André Latreille (1762–1833) – pioneer in entomology
Antoine Lavoisier (1743–1794) – father of modern chemistry[25]
Jérôme Lejeune (1926–1994) – pediatrician and geneticist, best known for his discovery of the link of diseases to chromosome abnormalities
Marcello Malpighi (1628–1694) – father of comparative physiology[26]
Étienne-Louis Malus (1775–1812) – discovered the polarization of light
Anna Morandi Manzolini (1714–1774) – anatomist and anatomical wax artist who lectured at the University of Bologna
Giovanni Manzolini (1700–1755) – anatomical wax artist and Professor of anatomy at the University of Bologna
Guglielmo Marconi (1874–1937) – father of wireless technology and radio transmission
Pierre Louis Maupertuis (1698–1759) – known for the Maupertuis principle and for being the first president of the Berlin Academy of Science
Michele Mercati (1541–1593) – one of the first to recognize prehistoric stone tools as man-made
Charles W. Misner (1932–present) – American cosmologist dedicated to the study of general relativity
Kenneth R. Miller (1948–present) – American cell biologist and molecular biologist who teaches at Brown University[27]
Mario J. Molina (1943–present) – Mexican chemist, one of the precursors to the discovery of the Antarctic ozone hole (1995 Nobel Prize in Chemistry)
Peter Joseph Moloney (1891–1989) – Canadian immunologist and pioneering vaccine researcher, who worked out the first large-scale purification of insulin in 1922; International Gairdner Award, 1967)[28]
Gaspard Monge (1746–1818) – father of descriptive geometry
John J. Montgomery (1858–1911) – American physicist and inventor of gliders and aerodynamics
Giovanni Battista Morgagni (1682–1771) – father of modern anatomical pathology[29]
Johannes Peter Müller (1801–1858) – founder of modern physiology[30]
Joseph Murray (1919–2012) – Nobel Prize in Medicine laureate[31]
John von Neumann (1903–1957) – Hungarian-born American mathematician and polymath[32] who converted to Catholicism[33]
Martin Nowak (1965-present) – evolutionary theorist and Director of the Program for Evolutionary Dynamics at Harvard University.
Abraham Ortelius (1527–1598) – created the first modern atlas and theorized on continental drift
Blaise Pascal (1623–1662) – French mathematician, physicist, inventor, writer and philosopher
Louis Pasteur (1822–1895) – father of bacteriology[3][34]
Georg von Peuerbach (1423–1461) – called the father of mathematical and observational astronomy in the West[35]
John Polanyi (1929– ) – Canadian chemist, won the 1986 Nobel Prize for his research in chemical kinetics[36]
Michael Polanyi (1891–1976) – Hungarian polymath, made contributions to physical chemistry, economics, and philosophy
Vladimir Prelog (1906–1998) – Croatian-Swiss organic chemist, winner of the 1975 Nobel Prize for chemistry
Santiago Ramón y Cajal (1852–1934) – awarded the Nobel Prize for his contributions to neuroscience
René Antoine Ferchault de Réaumur (1683–1757) – scientific polymath known especially for his study of insects
Francesco Redi (1626–1697) – his experiments with maggots were a major step in overturning the idea of spontaneous generation
Henri Victor Regnault (1810–1878) – chemist with two laws governing the specific heat of gases named after him[37]
Gregorio Ricci-Curbastro (1853–1925) – one of the founders of tensor calculus
Gilles de Roberval (1602–1675) – mathematician who studied the geometry of infinitesimals and was one of the founders of kinematic geometry
Frederick Rossini (1899–1990) – Priestley Medal and Laetare Medal-winning chemist[38]
Theodor Schwann (1810–1882) – founder of the theory of the cellular structure of animal organisms
Ignaz Semmelweis (1818–1865) – early pioneer of antiseptic procedures, discoverer of the cause of puerperal fever
Louis Jacques Thénard (1777–1857) – discovered hydrogen peroxide
Evangelista Torricelli (1608–1647) – inventor of the barometer
Paolo dal Pozzo Toscanelli (1397–1482) – Italian mathematician, astronomer and cosmographer
Richard Towneley (1629–1707) – mathematician and astronomer whose work contributed to the formulation of Boyle's Law
Louis René Tulasne (1815–1885) – biologist with




posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 09:36 AM
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Louis Nicolas Vauquelin (1763–1829) – discovered the chemical element beryllium
Urbain Le Verrier (1811–1877) – mathematician who predicted the discovery of Neptune
Andreas Vesalius (1514–1564) – father of modern human anatomy
François Viète (1540–1603) – father of modern algebra[39]
Leonardo da Vinci (1452–1519) – Renaissance anatomist, scientist, mathematician, and painter
Vincenzo Viviani (1622–1703) – mathematician known for Viviani's theorem, Viviani's curve and his work in determining the speed of sound
Alessandro Volta (1745–1827) – physicist known for the invention of the battery[4]
Wilhelm Heinrich Waagen (1841–1900) – geologist and paleontologist
Karl Weierstrass (1815–1897) – often called the father of modern analysis[40]
E. T. Whittaker (1873–1956) – English mathematician who made contributions to applied mathematics and mathematical physics
Johann Joachim Winckelmann (1717–1768) – one of the founders of scientific archaeology
Bertram Windle (1858–1929) – anthropologist, physician, and former president of University College Cork
Antonino Zichichi (1929– ) – Italian nuclear physicist, former President of the Istituto Nazionale di Fisica Nucleare[41][42]



posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 09:39 AM
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"Why I’m a Man of Science—and Faith"

Francis S. Collins, a physician and the geneticist behind the Human Genome Project, is the director of the National Institutes of Health. He is also founder of the BioLogos Foundation (biologos.org), a group that fosters discussions about the intersection of Christianity and science.

Are science and religion compatible?

I am privileged to be somebody who tries to understand nature using the tools of science. But it is also clear that there are some really important questions that science cannot really answer, such as: Why is there something instead of nothing? Why are we here? In those domains I have found that faith provides a better path to answers. I find it oddly anachronistic that in today’s culture there seems to be a widespread presumption that scientific and spiritual views are incompatible.

When people think of those views as incompatible, what is lost?

Science and faith can actually be mutually enriching and complementary once their proper domains are understood and respected. Extreme cartoons representing antagonistic perspectives on either end of the spectrum are often the ones that get attention, but most people live somewhere in the middle.

You’ve said that a blooming flower is not a miracle since we know how that happens. As a geneticist, you’ve studied human life at a fundamental level. Is there a miracle woven in there somewhere?

Oh, yes. At the most fundamental level, it’s a miracle that there’s a universe at all. It’s a miracle that it has order, fine-tuning that allows the possibility of complexity, and laws that follow precise mathematical formulas. Contemplating this, an open-minded observer is almost forced to conclude that there must be a “mind” behind all this. To me, that qualifies as a miracle, a profound truth that lies outside of scientific explanation.

news.nationalgeographic.com...



posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 11:05 AM
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List of Jewish Scientists:

Aaron Aaronsohn
Anatole Abragam
Karl Abraham
Max Abraham
Brett Abrahams
Samson Abramsky
Liliane Ackermann
Georgy Adelson-Velsky
Abraham Manie Adelstein
Alexandra Adler
Saul Adler
Amikam Aharoni
Yakir Aharonov
Naum Akhiezer
Ephraim Anderson
Emilio Artom
Giulio Ascoli
Tobias Asser
Henri Atlan
Charlotte Auerbach
Herman Auerbach
Oscar Auerbach
Robert Aumann
Adolf Aron Baginsky
Yehoshua Bar-Hillel
Róbert Bárány
Grigory Barenblatt
Kalmi Baruh
Ervin Bauer
Laurence Baxter
Morris Bender
Paul Bernays
Basil Bernstein
Joseph Bernstein
Arthur Berson
Abram Samoilovitch Besicovitch
Moses Blackman
Maurice Block
Salomon Bochner
Walter Bodmer
Hermann Bondi
Gustav Victor Rudolf Born
Herman Branover
Sydney Brenner
Leslie Brent
Selig Brodetsky
Jacob Bronowski
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Roy Yorke Calne
Joseph Carlebach
Erwin Chargaff
Janine Chasseguet-Smirgel
Alexey Chervonenkis
Seweryn Chomet
Chudnovsky brothers
Sydney Cohen
Ferdinand Cohn
Paul Cohn
Ruth Cohn
Umberto Colombo (scientist)
Max Cynader



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Emanuel Mendez da Costa
Henry Daniels
Samuel Devons
Aharon Dolgopolsky
Jasminka Domaš
Rudolf Dreikurs
Louis Israel Dublin
Yadin Dudai
Jack D. Dunitz
Émile Durkheim
Raymond Dwek
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Vladimir Pavlovich Efroimson
Richard Ehrenberg
Paul Ehrenfest
Paul Ehrlich
Filip Eisenberg
Paul Eisler
Michael A. Epstein
Michael Evenari
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Gyula Farkas (natural scientist)
Carl Feit
Wilhelm Feldberg
Werner Fenchel
Otto Fenichel
Alan Fersht
Heinrich Finkelstein
Oskar Fischer
Harry Flam
Meyer Fortes
John Fox (statistician)
Viktor Frankl
Else Frenkel-Brunswik
Yakov Frenkel
Ferdinand Freudenstein
Hans Freudenthal
Irwin Fridovich
Daniel E. Friedmann
Herbert Fröhlich
Erna Furman
Julius Fürst
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David Gans
Richard Gans
Hilda Geiringer
Ernest Gellner
Ira Gessel
Vitaly Ginzburg
David Glass (sociologist)
Mark A. Gluck
Max Gluckman
Salome Gluecksohn-Waelsch
Ian Glynn
Israel Gohberg
Marvin Leonard Goldberger
Anna Goldfeder
Sulamith Goldhaber
Leon Goldman
Samuel Goldman
Victor Goldschmidt
Victor Mordechai Goldschmidt
Marie Goldsmith
Ladislas Goldstein
Ignác Goldziher
Charles Goodhart
Ian Grant
Eugene Grebenik
Michael Green (physicist)
Joseph Greenberg
Marcel Grossmann
Hans Grüneberg
Louis Guttman
Paul Guttmann
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Steven Haberman



posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 11:06 AM
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Waldemar Haffkine
Hans Hahn (mathematician)
Hans von Halban
Max Hamilton
Raphael Levi Hannover
Michael H. Hart
Sergiu Hart
Arnold Heertje
Ian Heilbron
Walter Heitler
Friedrich Gustav Jakob Henle
Alex Hershaft
Daniel Hershkowitz
Noreena Hertz
Karl Herxheimer
Boris Hessen
Gerardus Heymans
Milton Himmelfarb
Peter Hirsch
Magnus Hirschfeld
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Abram Ioffe
Isaac ibn Sid
Alick Isaacs
David Ish-Horowicz
Werner Israel
J
François Jacob
Marie Jahoda
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Elvin A. Kabat
Jean-Pierre Kahane
Richard Kahn, Baron Kahn
Nicholas Kaldor
Salomon Kalischer
George Kalmus
Peter Kalmus
Shoshana Kamin
Eric Kandel
Felix Philipp Kanitz
Arthur Kantrowitz
George Karpati
Bernard Katz
Ephraim Katzir
David Keilin
Andrew Keller
Olga Kennard
Boris Khodorov
Melanie Klein
Leo Klejn
Emmy Klieneberger-Nobel
Vadim Knizhnik
Walter Kohn
Karl Koller (ophthalmologist)
Dénes Kőnig
Moshe Koppel
Arthur Korn
Hans Kornberg
Asher Korner
Hans Adolf Krebs
Ernst Kris
Hans Kronberger (physicist)
Hugo Kronecker
Alexander Kronrod
Nicholas Kurti
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Ludwig Lachmann
Paul Lazarsfeld
Rudolph Leibel
Yeshayahu Leibowitz
Abraham Lempel



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Maurice Lenz
Vladimir Levenshtein
Rita Levi-Montalcini
Claude Lévi-Strauss
Beppo Levi
Eugenio Elia Levi
Leone Levi
Roland Levinsky
Norman Levinson
David H. Levy
Frederic Lewy
Liviu Librescu
Robert von Lieben
Stafford Lightman
Gabriel Lippmann
Henry Lipson
Hans Lissmann
List of Israeli inventions and discoveries
Ben Lockspeiser
Charles Loewner
Adolph Lowe
Alexander Lowen
Alexander Lubotzky
Yudell Luke
Alexander Luria
André Michel Lwoff
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Szolem Mandelbrojt
Leonid Mandelstam
Joel Mandelstam
Siegfried Marcus
Leo Marks
Michael Marmot
Michael Maschler
Savas Matsas
Peter Mazur
Élie Metchnikoff
David Medved
Eduard Meijers
Kurt Mendelssohn
Gideon Mer
Grigorij Mesežnikov
Leon Mestel
Ludwig Ferdinand Meyer
Dan Meyerstein
Solomon Mikhlin
Henri Moissan
Emile Mond
Ludwig Mond
Robert Mond
Deborah Mowshowitz
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Frank Nabarro
Karine Nahon
Yuval Ne'eman
Carl Neuberg
Albert Neuberger
James Neuberger
Michael Neuberger
Otto Newman
Abraham Neyman
Emmy Noether
Alexander Nove
Alex B. Novikoff
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Leonard Ornstein
Alexander Ostrowski
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Arie Pais



posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 11:07 AM
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Friedrich Paneth
Jakub Karol Parnas
Oren Patashnik
Rudolf Peierls
Michael Pepper
Chaïm Perelman
Asher Peres
Max Perutz
Ron Pinter
Gordon Plotkin
Amir Pnueli
Carel Polak
John Polanyi
Bruno Pontecorvo
Guido Pontecorvo
Sigbert Prais
Ilya Prigogine
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Juda Hirsch Quastel
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Heinrich Racker
Sheizaf Rafaeli
Geoffrey Raisman
Ralph Raphael
Lev Pavlovich Rapoport
Emmanuel Rashba
Otto Redlich
Amitai Regev
Tadeusz Reichstein
Daniel Reisberg
Renata Reisfeld
Ida Rhodes
David Ricardo
Ivor Robinson (physicist)
J. M. Robson
Ivan Roitt
Vladimir Abramovich Rokhlin
Max Rood
Jakob Rosanes
Steven Rose
Nathan Rosen
Gastão Rosenfeld
George Rosenkranz
Fred Rosner
Douglas Ross (physicist)
Martin Roth (psychiatrist)
Friedrich S. Rothschild
Miriam Rothschild
Victor Rothschild, 3rd Baron Rothschild
Heinrich Rubens
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Gad Saad
Julius von Sachs
Leo Sachs
David Lionel Goldsmid-Stern-Salomons
Edwin Ernest Salpeter
Hugo Salus
Steven Salzberg
David Samuel, 3rd Viscount Samuel
Adolf Schallamach
Isaac Schapera
Jocelyn Scheirer
Menahem Max Schiffer
Arthur Moritz Schoenflies
Gerald Schroeder
Max Schur
Arthur Schuster
Dennis W. Sciama
Anthony Segal
Ilya Segalovich
Arthur Seldon
Otto Selz



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Otto Selz
Isaac de Sequeira Samuda
Ayelet Shaked
Aner Shalev
Shlomo Shamai
Adi Shamir
Saharon Shelah
Iosif Shklovsky
Michael F. Shlesinger
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Louis Siminovitch
Barry Simon
Francis Simon
Abraham Skorka
Zvi Sliternik
Hayyim Selig Slonimski
Bob Smalhout
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Franz Sondheimer
Theodore Sourkes
Walter Eric Spear
René Spitz
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Emil Starkenstein
Ralph M. Steinman
Emmanuel Steinschneider
Wilhelm Stekel
Lina Stern
Julius Stieglitz
Barend Joseph Stokvis
George Streisinger
Michael Szwarc
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David Tabor
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Aaron Valero
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Aizik Volpert
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Mark Wainberg
Nathaniel Wallich
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Otto Warburg (botanist)
Felix Weinberg
Wilhelm Weinberg
Lawrence Weiskrantz
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Charles Weissmann
Chaim Weizmann
Richard Willstätter
Terry Winograd
Robert Winston
Julius Wolff (mathematician)
Jacob Wolfowitz
Lewis Wolpert
Michael Woolfson
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Grigoriy Yablonsky
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Basil Yamey
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Abraham Zacuto
Lotfi A. Zadeh
Moshe Zakai
Oliver Zangwill
Bluma Zeigarnik
Doron Zeilberger
Yakov Borisovich Zel'dovich
Marvin Zelen
Anatol Zhabotinsky
John Ziman
Jacob Ziv
Emil Zuckerkandl
Solly Zuckerman, Baron Zuckerman



posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 11:54 AM
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originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: edmc^2



Everything that has a beginning has a cause.


A cause as defined by whom?



I would say - the observer.


I agree....my opined 2 cents....we as humans are limited by our own ability to "measure".......whether it be something tangible (our 5 senses) or intangible (emotional state, conceptual intelligence)......however, we as humans have been able to some degree, "measure" how vast our universe is. coupling that with the ability to "measure" the state of large numbers, and combined with the study of astrogeology and astrobiology, we can logically theorize there may be alien life forms similar to ours. again, following the concept of large numbers, there is a probability these species could include higher forms of "measurement" in their species.....ones we might have difficulty to even understand, let alone emulate.....this raises the question (for us anyway), as to what can be considered "a life form".....
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posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 06:41 PM
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First, we don't know if "the infinite" even exists.


Then how can anything exist?

If the infinite dont exist, nothing should exist.




Second, science could one day reach beyond that.


Probably not, science is Limited to the speed of light.





There is also the possibility that our expanding universe is all that exists,


If Our universe is all that exists. How did it have a beginning?

Within science Our universe is all that exists, because Our universe is all it can observe. Anything else byond it becomes assumtions. That is why you would bring that up.




and if that's the case, there is no limit to science and the universe is not infinite


Our universe is not infintie so there is a limit to science. Science is Limited at present time and will always be laging behind expansion/time it self.




why would you expect them to have picked up another possible expanding bubble on sensors?


Well i would expect that from them since science always talk facts based on Research. But in this case science is preaching religion.



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posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 06:49 PM
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I also told you what your response would be...


I could actually tell you the Whole thing, but you would deny it.



posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 07:32 PM
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originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: Phantom423


I also told you what your response would be...


I could actually tell you the Whole thing, but you would deny it.



Cowardice. You can't answer the question. You know my response. You know the "Whole thing". Hell, you're on the wrong board - you should be on the Predictions and Prophecies board.



posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 10:57 PM
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Thank you


If you keep following the topic you will probably get Your chance to coment later on.



posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 10:59 PM
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Can cause precede effect?
Answer that one.



posted on Aug, 20 2017 @ 11:48 PM
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No, not if you observe the timeline from the very beginning. At some point in the timeline the effect would look like the cause. THat is because it is not possible to look past it.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 12:27 AM
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originally posted by: Phantom423

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: Phantom423

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: Phantom423

originally posted by: edmc^2
a reply to: Xenogears




Those who believe in any of the abrahamic faiths in light of our current understanding, are no different than flat-earthers, either ignorant or willfully ignorant.


To the contrary, I find it way ahead of our time. In fact I think, we're just catching up to it - with the help of modern technology.



If you knew anything about science and technology, you would know that both are neutral and draw no conclusions other than what the evidence demonstrates. If you have evidence to the contrary, please present it.

You posed a question in your original post which is mindless.


If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?


The answer is no because the "something" would be infinite. It would have no beginning and no end. And since there's no evidence for absolute infinity, the question is a moot point. So unless you can present evidence to the contrary, why don't you fold up your tent and head for Ken Scam's Ark and take a vacation.








absolute infinity


You're not making any sense.

What is an "absolute infinity" when infinity have no absolutes?

It'd be like saying infinity+1 or -1.

In fact there's only one to chose from:









Space is either: 1. Infinite. or 2. Finite. Evidence shows the former.



What? No evidence? I'm shocked!!




Ditto Spy66!

But let's see if you can grasp this - let's assume the multi-universe theory.

If such universes do exist - what separates them from each other?







I have no idea what separates them, if anything. But since you asked the question, I presume you know the answer. So let's have it. What separates them????



Nothing because such concept doesn't make sense. There's no point to it - it's like asking what's infinity +1.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 02:22 AM
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Then how can anything exist?

If the infinite dont exist, nothing should exist.


How do you know this? If something is eternal, it is not necessarily infinite. Those are 2 different concepts. Time started with the big bang, so anything existing before would technically be eternal but that doesn't mean it is physically infinite.



Probably not, science is Limited to the speed of light.


So what? That might not be the case in the future, and even it is, everything is limited to the speed of light per the laws of physics, so that might not even be an issue. Think of wormhole physics. They are theorized to be able to traverse great distances without actually moving faster than the speed of light. If science can figure this out in another couple hundred years, then all bets are off and the speed light is no longer an issue. You are looking at science as if it's at the top of it's game and can't possibly improve itself far beyond our current understanding.



If Our universe is all that exists. How did it have a beginning?


We don't know that the universe began, it could be eternal.


Within science Our universe is all that exists, because Our universe is all it can observe. Anything else byond it becomes assumtions. That is why you would bring that up.


Yes, it's assumptions. Just like "the infinite".



Our universe is not infintie so there is a limit to science. Science is Limited at present time and will always be laging behind expansion/time it self.


Not true. Science isn't even close to the pinnacle of understanding. I'll believe that when science stops gaining knowledge, but until then you can't really rule it out.



Well i would expect that from them since science always talk facts based on Research. But in this case science is preaching religion.


No it's not. It's acknowledging possibilities. Science doesn't know everything yet.

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posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 02:36 AM
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Eggs have been around for longer than chickens have even existed.



posted on Aug, 21 2017 @ 11:59 AM
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Time started with the big bang


I think it is very important to state that "Our" universal time started With the Big Bang. Time existed prior to the Big Bang. And it is also very easy to predict what that Space time would be like, since it allowes Our universe to expand With in it. It also might explain where the dark matter comes from.

Since Our universal void of space is basically a vacuume and expanding. It is easy to predict what kind of time Space Our universe was formed within. THe Big Bang took Place in a void of Space that is a absolute vacuum or at at least a vacuum void that is much much purer then the vacuum of Our expanding universe is. Our universe would not expand if the void of Space surrounding ours was greater then the vacuum void of Our universe. And since the expansion is speeding up i would predict that the Space surrounding Our universe is a absolute vacuum. A absolute constant. Our universe would not expand equally in all directions if the the void surroundig Our universe was not a absolute vacuum. A absolute constant.... that should be common sense.... too.

Scientifically i know a absolute vacuum creats a great deal of problems for science. Because they can not create it or observe it within Our universe. But that should be common sense to every body why that is....




So what? That might not be the case in the future, and even it is, everything is limited to the speed of light per the laws of physics,


Science is basically Limited to all Our universal laws. All of them, and there is no acception.... ever. That should be common sense too.... There is no way science can break the laws and still work. Not now and not in the future... I Guess that is why it is called science in a sense..... And that is why science is Limited to only study Our universe.





We don't know that the universe began, it could be eternal.


Well then you have a issue With science dont you.... because the timeline of Our expansion would disagree With you. Becasue when you go back in time Our universe had some kind of a beginning. It can't be scientifically explained yet that is the only reason you bring that up..... And that sort of limits science does it not?



edit on 27.06.08 by spy66 because: (no reason given)

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