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originally posted by: Ksihkehe
originally posted by: edmc^2
originally posted by: Ksihkehe
originally posted by: edmc^2
But first let me please state this scientific and incontrovertible fact:
Everything that has a beginning has a cause.
So, what's the answer to this simple question:
If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?
What say you?
Allow me to shorten your fact and render the question moot.
Everything has a cause.
oh contraire - "Everything has a cause" is not the final answer. Because if "Everything has a cause" then what 'caused' Everything to exist in the first place?
Who says there was once nothing? What evidence points to that? Your response question assumes that at some point there was nothing.
We know that something never becomes nothing. It merely changes. So why would I assume there was once nothing?
originally posted by: darkbake
originally posted by: edmc^2
But first let me please state this scientific and incontrovertible fact:
Everything that has a beginning has a cause.
So, what's the answer to this simple question:
If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?
What say you?
I would like to see your proof for "everything that has a beginning has a cause". For example, a human life has a beginning, but is there any proof it has a cause?
originally posted by: ancientthunder
a reply to: edmc^2
If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?
There is no/thing that has no cause, therefore no/thing has no beginning.
originally posted by: edmc^2
originally posted by: Ksihkehe
originally posted by: edmc^2
originally posted by: Ksihkehe
originally posted by: edmc^2
But first let me please state this scientific and incontrovertible fact:
Everything that has a beginning has a cause.
So, what's the answer to this simple question:
If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?
What say you?
Allow me to shorten your fact and render the question moot.
Everything has a cause.
oh contraire - "Everything has a cause" is not the final answer. Because if "Everything has a cause" then what 'caused' Everything to exist in the first place?
Who says there was once nothing? What evidence points to that? Your response question assumes that at some point there was nothing.
We know that something never becomes nothing. It merely changes. So why would I assume there was once nothing?
If you think I said that - there was once nothing, you're mistaken.
I said "Everything that has a beginning has a cause."
But I'm still waiting for the answer to my question:
If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?
What say you?
originally posted by: rockintitz
a reply to: edmc^2
Suppose what we are in is something.
This something either had to begin, or never began at all.
Therefore something began from nothing, or this something was always there.
Therefore something began from nothing
something was always there
originally posted by: edmc^2
originally posted by: ancientthunder
a reply to: edmc^2
If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?
There is no/thing that has no cause, therefore no/thing has no beginning.
When you say "no/thing" do you mean the emptiness, the void - absolute no/thing?
originally posted by: Ksihkehe
originally posted by: edmc^2
originally posted by: Ksihkehe
originally posted by: edmc^2
originally posted by: Ksihkehe
originally posted by: edmc^2
But first let me please state this scientific and incontrovertible fact:
Everything that has a beginning has a cause.
So, what's the answer to this simple question:
If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?
What say you?
Allow me to shorten your fact and render the question moot.
Everything has a cause.
oh contraire - "Everything has a cause" is not the final answer. Because if "Everything has a cause" then what 'caused' Everything to exist in the first place?
Who says there was once nothing? What evidence points to that? Your response question assumes that at some point there was nothing.
We know that something never becomes nothing. It merely changes. So why would I assume there was once nothing?
If you think I said that - there was once nothing, you're mistaken.
I said "Everything that has a beginning has a cause."
But I'm still waiting for the answer to my question:
If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?
What say you?
Your second question to me assumes at some point nothing existed and I haven't the time nor energy to drag you kicking and screaming to that logical conclusion.
originally posted by: edmc^2
...But first let me please state this scientific and incontrovertible fact:
Everything that has a beginning has a cause. If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?
What say you?
originally posted by: Idreamofme
a reply to: edmc^2
Got an easier one, but no less unsolvable.
"What came first the chicken or the egg"?
Hint: No one knows the answer no matter how smart they sound.
originally posted by: edmc^2
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: edmc^2
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: edmc^2
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: edmc^2
If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?
If "something" exists - - why would it exist without a cause?
good question. here lies the conundrum.
The ultimate question to our existence.
Can something exist without a cause?
Something meaning what? I'm getting the feeling this is a Creation question.
I believe everything is energy and evolved from energy.
What is the source of energy?
It's a scientific question - as well as philosophical.
But, you're not answering the question.
"What is the source of energy?"
Or if I put it this way - what caused energy?
Something greater than energy. Something that can produce energy - in short the source of raw material.
Hence the question from the op:
If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?
The "inflationary universe." The leading idea is called the "inflationary universe" model. The key assumption of this model is that just before the Big Bang, space was filled with an unstable form of energy, whose nature is not yet known. At some instant, this energy was transformed into the fundamental particles from which arose all the matter we observe today. That instant marks what we call the Big Bang.
A remarkable consequence of this model is that, if even a pinpoint of space contained this primordial form of energy, then the pinpoint of space would expand extremely rapidly and would bring into existence more of the same kind of energy. In fact, all the matter in the universe could have arisen from a bit of primordial energy weighing no more than a pea. This amazing scenario is a consequence of applying Einstein's theory of gravity to the inflationary universe model. Thus the known laws of nature can in principle explain where the matter and energy in the universe came from, provided there was at least a tiny seed of energy to begin with.www.cfa.harvard.edu...
originally posted by: rockintitz
originally posted by: edmc^2
originally posted by: ancientthunder
a reply to: edmc^2
If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?
There is no/thing that has no cause, therefore no/thing has no beginning.
When you say "no/thing" do you mean the emptiness, the void - absolute no/thing?
The human mind cannot fathom the concept of nothing. No matter what you tell yourself.