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A very simple question that seem to stumped both atheists and evolutionists alike.

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posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 12:59 AM
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There is no cause, because everything is just because.
There ain't no good guys.
There ain't no bad guys.
It's just you and me and we just disagree.

just because




posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 01:00 AM
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a reply to: Idreamofme

Haha,sounds like you would be fun to have a few beers with man.
I'm drinking baltika and obolon strong (7.1%)beer tonight...the question is why?



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 01:01 AM
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a reply to: hiddenNZ

The answer is yes.



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 01:01 AM
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The same question would apply equally to anything. If Religion is claiming creation then the creator needs to also have been created at some point IF everything that exists has to have a cause. Also with our limited understanding of what is beyond our universe, possible multiverse for all we know, we cannot answer this question with any authority at all. All we can do is what science has already been doing, investigating anything they can find out about the origin of our current reality.



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 01:03 AM
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originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: edmc^2
But first let me please state this scientific and incontrovertible fact:

Everything that has a beginning has a cause.

So, what's the answer to this simple question:

If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?

What say you?



Allow me to shorten your fact and render the question moot.

Everything has a cause.


oh contraire - "Everything has a cause" is not the final answer. Because if "Everything has a cause" then what 'caused' Everything to exist in the first place?


Who says there was once nothing? What evidence points to that? Your response question assumes that at some point there was nothing.

We know that something never becomes nothing. It merely changes. So why would I assume there was once nothing?


If you think I said that - there was once nothing, you're mistaken.

I said "Everything that has a beginning has a cause."

But I'm still waiting for the answer to my question:

If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?

What say you?



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 01:04 AM
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originally posted by: darkbake

originally posted by: edmc^2
But first let me please state this scientific and incontrovertible fact:

Everything that has a beginning has a cause.

So, what's the answer to this simple question:

If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?

What say you?



I would like to see your proof for "everything that has a beginning has a cause". For example, a human life has a beginning, but is there any proof it has a cause?


An egg was fertilized and brought to term. That's the cause.



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 01:05 AM
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originally posted by: c2oden
There is no cause, because everything is just because.
There ain't no good guys.
There ain't no bad guys.
It's just you and me and we just disagree.

just because



That made my day...lol.




posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 01:06 AM
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a reply to: edmc^2




If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?

There is no/thing that has no cause, therefore no/thing has no beginning.



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 01:09 AM
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a reply to: edmc^2

Suppose what we are in is something.

This something either had to begin, or never began at all.

Therefore something began from nothing, or something, or this something was always there.


edit on 15-4-2017 by rockintitz because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 01:09 AM
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originally posted by: ancientthunder
a reply to: edmc^2




If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?

There is no/thing that has no cause, therefore no/thing has no beginning.


When you say "no/thing" do you mean the emptiness, the void - absolute no/thing?



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 01:12 AM
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originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: edmc^2
But first let me please state this scientific and incontrovertible fact:

Everything that has a beginning has a cause.

So, what's the answer to this simple question:

If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?

What say you?



Allow me to shorten your fact and render the question moot.

Everything has a cause.


oh contraire - "Everything has a cause" is not the final answer. Because if "Everything has a cause" then what 'caused' Everything to exist in the first place?


Who says there was once nothing? What evidence points to that? Your response question assumes that at some point there was nothing.

We know that something never becomes nothing. It merely changes. So why would I assume there was once nothing?


If you think I said that - there was once nothing, you're mistaken.

I said "Everything that has a beginning has a cause."

But I'm still waiting for the answer to my question:

If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?

What say you?


Your second question to me assumes at some point nothing existed and I haven't the time nor energy to drag you kicking and screaming to that logical conclusion.



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 01:14 AM
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originally posted by: rockintitz
a reply to: edmc^2

Suppose what we are in is something.

This something either had to begin, or never began at all.

Therefore something began from nothing, or this something was always there.



Let's expand our thinking:




Therefore something began from nothing


Does this make logical sense?

I say no. Because non-existence is just it. Non-existence.

But this one makes logical sense:



something was always there


Hence the question:

If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 01:14 AM
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originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: ancientthunder
a reply to: edmc^2




If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?

There is no/thing that has no cause, therefore no/thing has no beginning.


When you say "no/thing" do you mean the emptiness, the void - absolute no/thing?


The human mind cannot fathom the concept of nothing. No matter what you tell yourself.



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 01:18 AM
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originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: edmc^2
But first let me please state this scientific and incontrovertible fact:

Everything that has a beginning has a cause.

So, what's the answer to this simple question:

If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?

What say you?



Allow me to shorten your fact and render the question moot.

Everything has a cause.


oh contraire - "Everything has a cause" is not the final answer. Because if "Everything has a cause" then what 'caused' Everything to exist in the first place?


Who says there was once nothing? What evidence points to that? Your response question assumes that at some point there was nothing.

We know that something never becomes nothing. It merely changes. So why would I assume there was once nothing?


If you think I said that - there was once nothing, you're mistaken.

I said "Everything that has a beginning has a cause."

But I'm still waiting for the answer to my question:

If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?

What say you?


Your second question to me assumes at some point nothing existed and I haven't the time nor energy to drag you kicking and screaming to that logical conclusion.


No, I'm merely stating that "something" always existed. There was no "nothing" to begin with but there was always "something" -already- existing and had no cause.



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 01:19 AM
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originally posted by: edmc^2
...But first let me please state this scientific and incontrovertible fact:

What you have just said, is that you know little to nothing about 'science', and that you have some 'belief' that you need to feed/propagate.
Science does not deal in 'facts', it deals in 'tentative theories'.
Note the difference;

"New study of the brain shows that facts and beliefs are processed in exactly the same way."

www.newsweek.com...


Everything that has a beginning has a cause. If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?

What say you?

First, I see no 'facts' offered, simply a syllogism.
Your premise that
"Everything that has a beginning has a cause."
must be accepted, whether true or not. (a problem with 'formal logic')
But it makes sense to me, I'm willing to tentatively equate the two.

Upon that 'valid statement, the next follows/asks;
"If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?"
Which would obviously be 'no', since 'cause' is equated with 'beginning', no one equal no other.

A is a function of B, no B = no A.

Causality is a refuted theory, as is 'beginnings' and ends', ultimately.
As is 'motion'.
As is 'time'... *__-



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 01:19 AM
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originally posted by: Idreamofme
a reply to: edmc^2

Got an easier one, but no less unsolvable.

"What came first the chicken or the egg"?

Hint: No one knows the answer no matter how smart they sound.


the egg because chickens come from reptiles and reptiles lay eggs



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 01:20 AM
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I dont even care any more, I just want some KFC



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 01:20 AM
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a reply to: edmc^2


If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?


If something exists, it had a beginning.

If something exists, there was a time that it did not exist.

Infinity is an impossibility.



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 01:21 AM
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originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: edmc^2

If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?



If "something" exists - - why would it exist without a cause?



good question. here lies the conundrum.

The ultimate question to our existence.

Can something exist without a cause?



Something meaning what? I'm getting the feeling this is a Creation question.

I believe everything is energy and evolved from energy.

What is the source of energy?


It's a scientific question - as well as philosophical.



But, you're not answering the question.





"What is the source of energy?"


Or if I put it this way - what caused energy?

Something greater than energy. Something that can produce energy - in short the source of raw material.

Hence the question from the op:

If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?


That was the question I asked you. What is the source of energy?

Still sounds like you're going for Creationism.



The "inflationary universe." The leading idea is called the "inflationary universe" model. The key assumption of this model is that just before the Big Bang, space was filled with an unstable form of energy, whose nature is not yet known. At some instant, this energy was transformed into the fundamental particles from which arose all the matter we observe today. That instant marks what we call the Big Bang.

A remarkable consequence of this model is that, if even a pinpoint of space contained this primordial form of energy, then the pinpoint of space would expand extremely rapidly and would bring into existence more of the same kind of energy. In fact, all the matter in the universe could have arisen from a bit of primordial energy weighing no more than a pea. This amazing scenario is a consequence of applying Einstein's theory of gravity to the inflationary universe model. Thus the known laws of nature can in principle explain where the matter and energy in the universe came from, provided there was at least a tiny seed of energy to begin with.www.cfa.harvard.edu...


edit on 15-4-2017 by Annee because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 01:22 AM
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originally posted by: rockintitz

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: ancientthunder
a reply to: edmc^2




If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?

There is no/thing that has no cause, therefore no/thing has no beginning.


When you say "no/thing" do you mean the emptiness, the void - absolute no/thing?


The human mind cannot fathom the concept of nothing. No matter what you tell yourself.


Of course. How can you fathom nothing if there's nothing to fathom?

But was there really 'no/thing' to begin with?



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