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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: whereislogic
The hell are you talking about? ETA: OHHHHH You are a evolution denier. Gotcha. I'm not going to watch your crummy Youtube video. I prefer looking at science not propaganda.
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: edmc^2
to get 2, 1 needs to exist before the effect.
In order to cross a distance on 100 miles...You must first arrive at the half-way mark of 50 miles..
In order to arrive at 50 miles..you must first arrive at 25 miles..
before that 12.5 miles..
before that...6.25 miles
before travelling 6.25 miles you must first travel 3.125 miles..
Ad infinitum..
The only way to actually move is a succession of teleportation's?
reductio ad absurdum
The Dichotomy Paradox..
It is a Math problem, not a reality problem.
He believes in the need for science and religion to work alongside one another rather than as competing ideologies. In 2006, he said, "Religion needs science to keep it away from superstition and keep it close to reality, to protect it from creationism, which at the end of the day is a kind of paganism – it's turning God into a nature god."
On 8 November 2012 Pope Benedict XVI told members of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences:
"Dialogue and cooperation between faith and science are urgently needed for building a culture that respects people and the planet... Without faith and science informing each other "the great questions of humanity leave the domain of reason and truth, and are abandoned to the irrational, to myth, or to indifference, with great damage to humanity itself, to world peace and to our ultimate destiny....
originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: peter vlar
I can assure you academically Christians who dispute or feel threatened by evolution are few. It's a rediculous position to take.
It also has nothing to do with God and if it they, he or she exist.
If my computer prints off something I wrote the printer has nothing to do with writing the story.
This isn't meant to say I believe in a creator I am just pointing out how rediculous denying a process is.
Yeah it means the book is poetry but so what. Good books have changed my life too. They didn't have to be written by God for me to allow them to move me.
originally posted by: peter vlar
originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: peter vlar
I can assure you academically Christians who dispute or feel threatened by evolution are few. It's a rediculous position to take.
I agree completely. I was one of only a couple of agnostics or atheists in the entire program when I studied paleoanthropology. My mother in law worked at the Human Genome Project prior to it going public and the CEO, Dr. Francis Collins, is a staunch advocate of Christianity and still one of the worlds preeminent Geneticists who also staunchly asserts the solid science supporting MES
It also has nothing to do with God and if it they, he or she exist.
I'm inclined to agree with this. However, many who fall back on their faith as a defense against science do not feel the same way.
If my computer prints off something I wrote the printer has nothing to do with writing the story.
This isn't meant to say I believe in a creator I am just pointing out how rediculous denying a process is.
I don't deny the possibilities of anything provided there is something to substantiate the possibility in question. The only thing I typically deny is an assertion not supported by facts.
Yeah it means the book is poetry but so what. Good books have changed my life too. They didn't have to be written by God for me to allow them to move me.
Hey, there are some lovely passages in Constantines version of Christianity as outlined at Nicea and Laodicea. Some of the Psalms are quite lovely and well written.
But, at the end of the day, it's a compilation, a book that was put together with one goal in mind. To make it easier to convert then entirety of Roman territory to Christianity as a state religion. It wasn't ever actually intended to reveal any truths aside from those purported by whichever bat $#it crazy Emperor was debauching his throne that particular year.
When you get right down to it though, I've read beautiful passages in the , the Bhagavad Gita, Norse epics and many other "religious" based writing of the last few thousand years.
originally posted by: whereislogic
originally posted by: Ghost147
Could you elaborate on why you believe evolution cannot occur?
Put words in someone’s mouth: Cambidge Dictionary (with a question in this case, I guess the "are you saying..." games have all been played too much already on this forum):
to say that someone means one thing when the person really meant something else:
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: peter vlar
One of the biggest fields of science you'd have to deny to deny evolution is modern medicine. This usually paints evolution deniers as hypocrites too, because I'm sure they aren't putting their beliefs to the test there and all go to modern hospitals when sick or injured.
If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?
What say you?
originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: edmc^2
some posters derive far too much enjoyment from posting "buzz questions" that are intended to stump the audience as opposed to providing actual information, disguising rhetoric as profundity and non-answers as solutions. the OP is one example among many.
If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?
What say you?
literally everything has a cause, unless you are too lazy to actually dedicate the time, skill and resources to deducing and confirming the cause. simply tying a knot in a really long rope is a cheap and sloppy substitute for finding an end of the rope. this is what your so called fix to the infinite regression problem amounts to. a silly roadblock that is interpreted as the conclusion of the investigation but really just tells everyone that you gave up prematurely. congrats, now sit down and let the real experts have a crack at it. honestly...did you expect a clap on the back for taking shortcuts? you are too easily satisfied and it shows. Smh
/mic drop
originally posted by: edmc^2
originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: edmc^2
some posters derive far too much enjoyment from posting "buzz questions" that are intended to stump the audience as opposed to providing actual information, disguising rhetoric as profundity and non-answers as solutions. the OP is one example among many.
If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?
What say you?
literally everything has a cause, unless you are too lazy to actually dedicate the time, skill and resources to deducing and confirming the cause. simply tying a knot in a really long rope is a cheap and sloppy substitute for finding an end of the rope. this is what your so called fix to the infinite regression problem amounts to. a silly roadblock that is interpreted as the conclusion of the investigation but really just tells everyone that you gave up prematurely. congrats, now sit down and let the real experts have a crack at it. honestly...did you expect a clap on the back for taking shortcuts? you are too easily satisfied and it shows. Smh
/mic drop
So by your statement "literally everything has a cause", your answer to the question is, yes.
Great. Now, let's explore the "rope" a bit further.
If, as you say, "literally everything has a cause", then you're basically saying there's no end to the cause.
That is, the cause has an unending cause. The 1st cause was caused by the one that preceded it, the one that preceded it was also caused by the one that preceded it, and on and on we go - ad infinitum.
That's where you're logic breaks down.
So what to do?
What's the alternative?
Do you want to pick up your mic?
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: peter vlar
Good point, Evolution isn't a singular field of science. It encompasses and is aligned with many different fields. Hell the entire field of Genetics would be a lie if Evolution wasn't true. One of the biggest fields of science you'd have to deny to deny evolution is modern medicine. This usually paints evolution deniers as hypocrites too, because I'm sure they aren't putting their beliefs to the test there and all go to modern hospitals when sick or injured.
The current measurement of the age of the universe is 13.799±0.021 billion (10^9) years within the Lambda-CDM concordance model.