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A very simple question that seem to stumped both atheists and evolutionists alike.

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posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 12:26 AM
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a reply to: edmc^2

Please look up stupid in the Oxford. Not you, just the question. And no I'm not smart,faaar from it in fact .




posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 12:27 AM
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One day I was shopping at the shuk (outdoor market) in Jerusalem and I ran into the old man himself.
The first thing I asked him was the internal Jewish question " Why ? " ( which means why everything )
His response was simple and direct.
" Why not ? " and " Those Pistachios nuts you love so much are on sale three booths farther down."

That was good enough for me.


Buck



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 12:27 AM
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originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: edmc^2

If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?



If "something" exists - - why would it exist without a cause?



good question. here lies the conundrum.

The ultimate question to our existence.

Can something exist without a cause?



Something meaning what? I'm getting the feeling this is a Creation question.

I believe everything is energy and evolved from energy.

What is the source of energy?

edit on 15-4-2017 by Annee because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 12:28 AM
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originally posted by: hiddenNZ
a reply to: edmc^2

Please look up stupid in the Oxford. Not you, just the question. And no I'm not smart,faaar from it in fact .



Hey just askin. If you think the q is stupid - then why it's not?



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 12:30 AM
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originally posted by: flatbush71
One day I was shopping at the shuk (outdoor market) in Jerusalem and I ran into the old man himself.
The first thing I asked him was the internal Jewish question " Why ? " ( which means why everything )
His response was simple and direct.
" Why not ? " and " Those Pistachios nuts you love so much are on sale three booths farther down."

That was good enough for me.


Buck


Nice! but shouldn't you be curious as to "Why" or "Why Not"?



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 12:31 AM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: edmc^2

If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?



If "something" exists - - why would it exist without a cause?



good question. here lies the conundrum.

The ultimate question to our existence.

Can something exist without a cause?



Something meaning what? I'm getting the feeling this is a Creation question.

I believe everything is energy and evolved from energy.

What is the source of energy?


It's a scientific question - as well as philosophical.



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 12:35 AM
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a reply to: edmc^2

Here's some philosophy for ya. I'm about 2 beers away from cussing you out and I only have 1 beer left. You said chicken, and others agreed. Others said egg. Others agreed.

So.... Does anyone really know?



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 12:37 AM
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Not really, after seeing what I've seen, heard and learned in 70 years, you reach a point where you realize that there is a limit and many things are better left alone. When you get old and gray it will make much more sense than it does now.

Buck



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 12:38 AM
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originally posted by: Idreamofme
a reply to: edmc^2

Here's some philosophy for ya. I'm about 2 beers away from cussing you out and I only have 1 beer left. You said chicken, and others agreed. Others said egg. Others agreed.

So.... Does anyone really know?


Lol. Easy on the juice there my friend.

"Does anyone really know?"

Yes.

Take your pick - which one makes scientifically logical.



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 12:41 AM
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originally posted by: edmc^2
But first let me please state this scientific and incontrovertible fact:

Everything that has a beginning has a cause.

So, what's the answer to this simple question:

If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?

What say you?



Allow me to shorten your fact and render the question moot.

Everything has a cause.



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 12:45 AM
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originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: edmc^2
But first let me please state this scientific and incontrovertible fact:

Everything that has a beginning has a cause.

So, what's the answer to this simple question:

If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?

What say you?



Allow me to shorten your fact and render the question moot.

Everything has a cause.


oh contraire - "Everything has a cause" is not the final answer. Because if "Everything has a cause" then what 'caused' Everything to exist in the first place?



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 12:51 AM
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a reply to: edmc^2

Fine.

Everything that has a beginning has a cause.

So, what's the answer to this simple question:

If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?


Yes. I apparently have a beginning and I obviously have no cause.

So yes.



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 12:51 AM
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originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: edmc^2

If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?



If "something" exists - - why would it exist without a cause?



good question. here lies the conundrum.

The ultimate question to our existence.

Can something exist without a cause?



Something meaning what? I'm getting the feeling this is a Creation question.

I believe everything is energy and evolved from energy.

What is the source of energy?


It's a scientific question - as well as philosophical.



But, you're not answering the question: "What is energy?"

IF everything evolved from energy. What does that mean?

It's not a philosophical question.

edit on 15-4-2017 by Annee because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 12:52 AM
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I guess it's how you define "beginning" Both the origin of life and evolution do not need cause to exist since life has no meaning. Regardless the religion and beliefs of different people throughout history.



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 12:53 AM
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originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: edmc^2
But first let me please state this scientific and incontrovertible fact:

Everything that has a beginning has a cause.

So, what's the answer to this simple question:

If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?

What say you?



Allow me to shorten your fact and render the question moot.

Everything has a cause.


oh contraire - "Everything has a cause" is not the final answer. Because if "Everything has a cause" then what 'caused' Everything to exist in the first place?


Who says there was once nothing? What evidence points to that? Your response question assumes that at some point there was nothing.

We know that something never becomes nothing. It merely changes. So why would I assume there was once nothing?



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 12:53 AM
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The fact is we may understand causes but we know little or nothing about beginnings or endings.

We think we do but that's a illusion



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 12:55 AM
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originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: edmc^2
But first let me please state this scientific and incontrovertible fact:

Everything that has a beginning has a cause.

So, what's the answer to this simple question:

If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?

What say you?



Allow me to shorten your fact and render the question moot.

Everything has a cause.


oh contraire - "Everything has a cause" is not the final answer. Because if "Everything has a cause" then what 'caused' Everything to exist in the first place?


Who says there was once nothing?


Exactly!



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 12:57 AM
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originally posted by: edmc^2
But first let me please state this scientific and incontrovertible fact:

Everything that has a beginning has a cause.

So, what's the answer to this simple question:

If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?

What say you?



I would like to see your proof for "everything that has a beginning has a cause". For example, a human life has a beginning, but is there any proof it has a cause?
edit on 15amSat, 15 Apr 2017 00:59:53 -0500kbamkAmerica/Chicago by darkbake because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 12:58 AM
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a reply to: edmc^2


Scientifically speaking - the chicken.

Better let scientists tell folk what’s correct ‘scientifically speaking’.

Because, scientifically speaking, it’s the egg that came first. There were eggs in the world hundreds of millions of years before there were any chickens.



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 12:58 AM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: edmc^2

If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?



If "something" exists - - why would it exist without a cause?



good question. here lies the conundrum.

The ultimate question to our existence.

Can something exist without a cause?



Something meaning what? I'm getting the feeling this is a Creation question.

I believe everything is energy and evolved from energy.

What is the source of energy?


It's a scientific question - as well as philosophical.



But, you're not answering the question.





"What is the source of energy?"


Or if I put it this way - what caused energy?

Something greater than energy. Something that can produce energy - in short the source of raw material.

Hence the question from the op:

If something has no cause, does it have a beginning?



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