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A very simple question that seem to stumped both atheists and evolutionists alike.

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posted on Apr, 16 2017 @ 05:49 PM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye

Come on MME your being very modest. You're a very advanced thinker, imo.

Good post




posted on Apr, 16 2017 @ 05:54 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

Thank you, Willtell! I really appreciate you took the time to read that and found something encouraging to say!
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posted on Apr, 16 2017 @ 05:58 PM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye

That you for sharing your cosmological fluid belief...if you grow as you travel through time your belief will be fluid. Imagine the first hard nosed physicist who insisted matter being mostly empty space was utter rubish having to maintain that belief after the electron microscope.

Personally god is part of seeking cosmological answers. I personally believe if you choose to ignore it's possibility in the rational sense of simply a designer you could miss an actual possibility.

As an agnostic my meter heading towards that belief and say super strings 10 dimensions it would be towards the strings.

However the god in the gaps continues with infinite regress. A multiverse does not refute god it only a means fine tuning to have nothing to do with god.

God is like a dragon. You just never know if some ancient thing existed the was similar in some way.



posted on Apr, 16 2017 @ 06:01 PM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye

Are you kidding?

Your ideas are inspiring because they open up thinking. That's the philosophers mothers milk! That’s very worthy.

Of course, you know that space-time is needed because all ideas blossom from context.
However, the source of them is from somewhere else, that I agree with.

Some rudimentary source of basic archetypal realities.

Also, many traditions believe in predestination, so ideas like anything can be in a jumble of precognitive energies waiting to be unleashed

something to consider



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posted on Apr, 16 2017 @ 06:16 PM
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a reply to: edmc^2

Your trying to pose s serious question but come across a bit pompuss.


Everything that has a beginning has a cause.


Science will in time answer every question there is, in time but it seems a lot of people want those answers in their lifetimes, which is clearly self centered outlook on life. For science to prove all that we ask, it may take 100's of years but the fact is once we get those answers, religion will still be saying the same old jibberish with no result.

Now, moving on from attacking those cults.

To answer your question

Nothing technically has a beginning. Everything comes from a concotion of something else. We as humans are all different, by one technicality of our DNA. So technically, you do not begin as the human before you, you begin as the modern version of a human which may now not be deemed 100% human.

With that in mind, the same can be said from the universe and everything within it. We may have what we have, what we see and deem it had a defining beginning. This cannot be true. The universe came about in whichever theory you would love to project, yet before that. There would have been something else. There has to be something to contain something within. However, of course. This equation goes on and on because let's be honest we are human and we have only really been 'Intelligent' for 200 years with technology and science. So what you want? Unicorns and Rainbows developed in a smarty tube? Fact is, we are still dumb but much brighter then an old ratty book some fellas wrote.

Moving on ....



posted on Apr, 16 2017 @ 06:52 PM
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a reply to: BlackProject

According to at least three physics based models of reality in cosmology everything has already been discovered in another dimension. Every possibility exists.

The thing is it never negates a designer. This metaphysical problem, is possibly unknowable to the state of reality we are making observations in.

Some people believe science needs to be obtainable through engineering physical like understanding. It just isn't like that. Reality as best we know it, is based on probability waveforms that collapse for an observer to make a definite place in the universe.

It is possible we can only ever have the anthropic principles viewpoint since we are bound by human existence, at least for the moment.



posted on Apr, 16 2017 @ 07:05 PM
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a reply to: edmc^2
Ur trolling ATS, stop it.
What's ur definition of cause? Everything had a purpose...this thing is stupid, how did u get so many ppl to post on this lol



posted on Apr, 16 2017 @ 08:15 PM
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originally posted by: GokuVsSuperman0
a reply to: edmc^2
Ur trolling ATS, stop it.
What's ur definition of cause? Everything had a purpose...this thing is stupid, how did u get so many ppl to post on this lol


Because there is a good question buried in the OP. 'Cause' may have been an intentionally nebulous term to use. But if you define it as you *think* the OP was defining it and answer according to that, there something not so sh*tty about the OP and the original poster's loaded question.

And there is something not so sh*tty about your comment, too.


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posted on Apr, 16 2017 @ 08:18 PM
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a reply to: Willtell



And all good thoughts and emoticons to you.



posted on Apr, 16 2017 @ 10:24 PM
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originally posted by: luthier

Personally god is part of seeking cosmological answers. I personally believe if you choose to ignore it's possibility in the rational sense of simply a designer you could miss an actual possibility.


Shouldn't it be Gods (plural)?

If energy evolved into consciousness, energy consciousness creates - - - why would there be only one?



posted on Apr, 16 2017 @ 10:53 PM
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a reply to: Annee

Yes it should have said God (s)



posted on Apr, 17 2017 @ 01:04 AM
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Magnets, how do they work?

A permanent dynamic waveform.. HMMMM


Magnets are forever. Static charged refractions are not even real, only inverted images.


Now you know about the Most High, and his non existent alter ego (and first tool of perception, the mirror). The Source and its inverted illusion.
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posted on Apr, 17 2017 @ 01:09 AM
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Where you are there you are in awareness so start from there. Consciousness tries to form a persistence called memory, but such a thing is not required for awareness.



posted on Apr, 17 2017 @ 02:14 AM
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originally posted by: Idreamofme
a reply to: edmc^2

Got an easier one, but no less unsolvable.

"What came first the chicken or the egg"?

Hint: No one knows the answer no matter how smart they sound.

Eggs have been around for MUCH longer than chickens, for example we know that dinosaurs laid eggs.



posted on Apr, 17 2017 @ 03:26 AM
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a reply to: edmc^2

Everything has a cause!!!!!! Name one thing that doesn't!



posted on Apr, 17 2017 @ 04:22 AM
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originally posted by: Davg80
a reply to: whereislogic

well if you put it this way, what came first the chicken, or the egg of the chicken? then there really can be only one answer!


I did... the awareness that was existent before the concept of chicken or egg was given to carry as also existent. The same is true for everyone with every concept that is carried.



posted on Apr, 17 2017 @ 05:31 AM
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a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

what came first the creator or God?

could be another way of posing the question... no?

i would think that is a harder question to answer!

evolution for me would have the chicken evolving through certain conditions to be an egg laying animal.

and another thing, if it wasn't for humans i reckon chickens would be extinct, too easy a prey!

foxes are on every continent apart from antarctica, foxes love chicken more than i do.
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posted on Apr, 17 2017 @ 05:58 AM
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Every created thing may indeed have a cause. Our limited humanistic mind (or think-we-know-it-all mindset) cannot possibly fathom that which is not created. Many near death experience people remembered understanding everything yet when they were returned to life, their mind could not hold that knowledge. Does love always have a cause? Why do some people even think that God is a creation and has a beginning?



posted on Apr, 17 2017 @ 06:51 AM
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lifes cause is to continue to exist and evolve until it reaches a point where it can live at its maximum potential in a state of equilibrium with its environment. In other words, life's cause is to live with in the means available to it.



posted on Apr, 17 2017 @ 07:54 AM
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originally posted by: Shar
a reply to: edmc^2

Everything has a cause!!!!!! Name one thing that doesn't!


Well first thing to come to mind for me is radioactive decay. No cause yet can be verified. And if we get into subatomic particles the flow of time does not appear to be consistent meaning the cause can actually happen after the effect.

science.slashdot.org...
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