"Communism for Kids":Published by MIT Press

originally posted by: daskakik
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All countries, even capitalist one ask the individual to sacrifice for the greater good of the nation.

You obviously forgot the following quote, and I am using a quote from Marx to make it simple.

I had already posted this quote and it seems you already forgot one simple quote...

The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism. Karl Marx

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There can be no opposition to socialism, which means people can't be anything else. They can't be anarchists, they can't be capitalists, etc.

Anything that is deemed "counter-revolutionary" is oppressed, which is why people who are critical of socialism under socialist/communist systems get jailed, or even murdered.

So this claim of yours that people in all countries have to follow the same rule as in full blown socialist/communist countries is a lie.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I never said it was the same I said that all countries ask that their citizens sacrifice for the greater good.

I'm not defending socialism. I'm questioning your zealotry.

originally posted by: Lysergic
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And We ALL Hate Nazis right?

Nazis, as in National Socialists... But even when the policies implemented by the Nazis, and Hitler were left wing, even when they implemented extremist environmental laws, the left these days want to claim the Nazis were "right-wing".

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I just want to say that I appreciate your contributions here. You got it right.

Collectivism and the hive mind is exactly what it is. Just look at the left in America right now. They call anyone and everyone who doesn't subscribe to their own narrative Nazis, or some "ist" take your pick. They don't WANT other opinions. They want everyone on board and those whom aren't deserve the very worst of treatment. Look at what it's doing to society already, and we aren't even IN a fullblown socialist mode yet.

Take a look at Hollywood, and College campuses. It's already falling apart. These people do NOT want individuality if it means being a white Christian republican for example. They don't see it because they are blinded by the mass hive-minded brainwashing going on. It's way more serious than many people truly realize.

You won't convince a single one of them on ATS, or with discussion. They don't want that either, it's open and blatant now. Groups like ANTIFA are making that abundantly clear. Some are even walking around with commie flags etc. It's quite surreal. I do believe we are witnessing the downfall of western society. Some will not go quietly, but it truly does seem to be the global agenda. The KIDS love it, and that's the very worst and most alarming part about it.

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I never said it was the same I said that all countries ask that their citizens sacrifice for the greater good.

I'm not defending socialism. I'm questioning your zealotry.

Not really, in countries like the U.S. you can believe and express your belief in whatever system you believe in. In socialism/communist regimes you either espouse socialism/communism, or you never complain about any injustices, or you get thrown in jail or even get murdered.

Sorry, you are still wrong. In the United States, or even in Europe you are not told to do the things that socialist regimes enforce.

One thing is for people to choose to sacrifice themselves for the greater good, something entirely different is to be forced to "sacrifice for socialism and the greater good."

Are there some laws people have to follow to be able to live in western non-socialist countries?... Sure, but that's because otherwise there would be chaos.

However, socialism enforcers rationing, so everyone has to go equally hungry, unless you are part of the socialist/communist regime. Not to mention that in socialist/communist regimes you can't espouse ideas that are against socialism.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Not really, in countries like the U.S. you can believe and express your belief in whatever system you believe in. In socialism/communist regimes you either espouse socialism/communism, or you never complain about any injustices, or you get thrown in jail or even get murdered.

That isn't what I'm talking about.

originally posted by: Wookiep
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You won't convince a single one of them on ATS, or with discussion. They don't want that either, it's open and blatant now. Groups like ANTIFA are making that abundantly clear. Some are even walking around with commie flags etc. It's quite surreal. I do believe we are witnessing the downfall of western society. Some will not go quietly, but it truly does seem to be the global agenda. The KIDS love it, and that's the very worst and most alarming part about it.

I know you are right. But even if just one "die-hard socialist/communist/progressive/etc" sees the evidence, and the truth about full blown socialist/communist regimes, that's good enough for me.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Well I feel the same way my friend, quite passionately. ATS is a good place to at least write it down. Who knows, maybe someday old transcripts of what has been said and foretold here will knock some sense into someone.

originally posted by: Kali74

Nuance... it's beyond this crowd. At any rate it's not an actual children's book.

Riiight, I guess the title "Communism for Kids" doesn't give up the fact this book is to indoctrinate children...

But, heck, let's read one of the endorsements made at the MIT website.

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Endorsements
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“This delightful little book may be helpful in showing youngsters there are other forms of life and living than the one we currently ‘enjoy’; and even some adults might learn from it as well. At a time when our younger generations are not only dissatisfied but active enough to have some new thoughts of their own and to look around seriously for alternatives, political pedagogy has a real function and might well, as here, be reinvented in new ways.”
—Fredric R. Jameson, Knut Schmidt-Nielsen Professor of Comparative Literature, Professor of Romance Studies (French); Director of Institute for Critical Theory, Duke University

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But a couple of members now have claimed "it is not for kids"?...

originally posted by: Wookiep

Well I feel the same way my friend, quite passionately. ATS is a good place to at least write it down. Who knows, maybe someday old transcripts of what has been said and foretold here will knock some sense into someone.

Naa, for many people in the left they won't change their minds. From the start of the "Venezuelan revolution" several of us attempted to point out enforcing socialism in Venezuela would turn it into another socialist/communist dictatorship. To this day you can see ATS members still claiming "Venezuela is not a dictatorship". Or like we have seen in here, and like it happens always when another socialist/communist regime fails to "turn into paradise", there are people who will claim "this is not socialism/communism"...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Of course it's for kids. Just look at the entire generation of Millennials, and things THEY have already been indoctrunated with.

Here's a good example. Before my son went to college, he came to Ron Paul rallies with me, all on his own. I never had to ask. He was just as passionate about Ron and his libertarian free-market ideals as I, if not even more.

Then he went to college and nearly 4 years later tried to convince me to vote for Bernie Sanders with hopes of Ronnie being his VP pick. (even tho they are POLAR opposites!!) I couldn't believe it. It was like he forgot everything due to the hive mind and collectivism that goes on at college campus'. I don't even fault him, but it's very real. The first year he attended (Colorado School of Mines) he told how there were only like 2 Republicans on his whole campus, the libs pretended to like Ron Paul but the majority were Obama supporters and people wanting socialism. Even the professors. That's one school. ONE. Out of a sea of others just like it all over the country.

Point being, KIDS are exactly who they are targeting, and it's only going to get worse.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

It isn't, just like the US isn't a free market capitalist country. There is nothing wrong with calling things what they are.

And, calling things what they are doesn't mean you are advocating anything.

a reply to: Wookiep

I know my friend. Back in the 90s I attended what was then called "Miami-Dade Community College", at least one of my professors was very left-wing. i think it was a "humanities" class. Anyway, when he touched on political ideologies he went on and on at how great and perfect "socialism is"... Most people in the class were silent, i am not entirely sure if everyone agreed or not, but there was just silence. Of course I had to say something to the professor of what socialism actually is, and it became an argument. He wouldn't back off the claims that "socialism is great and perfect".

The truth is people are disillusioned. maybe they don't get paid as much as X person, or they don't get to vacation as much as x person, or for some other reason. When that happens they look for "other alternative ideologies", and for a long time there has been this push by "left-wing academics" to indoctrinate people into believing "socialism is fantastic. Everyone is equal, everyone is free, everyone gets paid the same and everyone doesn't ever need anything".

This indoctrination became apparent, just like you noticed with your son, by the belief in Bernie Sanders even when the average Joe and Jane should have realized he was lying and just trying to convince people to endorse him.

Bernie Sanders: "If i become President everyone will get a salary of $60,000 U.S.D. If I become President, everyone will have free college."

Not one socialist/progressive/communist/anarcho-communist/etc realized that he was simply exaggerating and lying through his teeth.

He even wrote an opinion piece in the New York times in which he stated that in order to "fix the Federal Reserve", if he became President he will implement a law that would allow him to choose who can control the Federal Reserve.

Oh, he also stated he would implement "stricter gun control". At one point he states he would ban all weapons that are not used for hunting.

The Truth of Sanders is That He Is a Socialist.

Of course, his fans claim that "he is not a socialist", and state "he is just a social democrat", but these people are forgetting the fact that Hitler took control of Germany thanks to "social democracy" which was very popular in Germany.

Social democracy, political ideology that advocates a peaceful, evolutionary transition of society from capitalism to socialism using established political processes. Based on 19th-century socialism and the tenets of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, social democracy shares common ideological roots with communism but eschews its militancy and totalitarianism. Social democracy was originally known as revisionism because it represented a change in basic Marxist doctrine, primarily in the former’s repudiation of the use of revolution to establish a socialist society.
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You know, people forget what the following "socialist" did to Italy.

Contents of the Fascist Manifesto
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Politically, the manifesto calls for:
Universal suffrage with a lowered voting age to 18 years, and voting and electoral office eligibility for all age 25 and more, including women;
Proportional representation on a regional basis;
Voting for women (which was opposed by most other European nations);
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The formation of a national council of experts for labor, for industry, for transportation, for the public health, for communications, etc. Selections to be made of professionals or of tradesmen with legislative powers, and elected directly to a general commission with ministerial powers (this concept was rooted in corporatist ideology and derived in part from Catholic social doctrine).

In labour and social policy, the manifesto calls for:
The quick enactment of a law of the state that sanctions an eight-hour workday for all workers;
A minimum wage;
The participation of workers' representatives in the functions of industry commissions;
To show the same confidence in the labor unions (that prove to be technically and morally worthy) as is given to industry executives or public servants;
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In military affairs, the manifesto advocates:
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Armaments factories are to be nationalised;
A peaceful but competitive foreign policy.

In finance, the manifesto advocates:
A strong progressive tax on capital (]envisaging a “partial expropriation” of concentrated wealth);
The seizure of all the possessions of the religious congregations and the abolition of all the bishoprics, which constitute an enormous liability on the Nation and on the privileges of the poor;
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The revision of all military contracts and the seizure of 85 percent of the profits therein.

The manifesto thus combined elements of contemporary democratic and progressive thought (franchise reform, labour reform, limited nationalisation, taxes on wealth and war profits) with corporatist emphasis on class collaboration (the idea of social classes existing side by side and collaborating for the sake of national interests; the opposite of the Marxist notion of class struggle).

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(BTW, I am not against women voting)

People in the left also seem unable to comprehend that the ideology that globalists want to implement "globally", is a type of fascist(socialist) system similar to that of Mussolini.

"The governments of Europe, the United States, and Japan are unlikely to negotiate a social-democratic pattern of globalization – unless their hands are forced by a popular movement or a catastrophe, such as another Great Depression or ecological disaster. Richard Sandbrook, Closing the Circle: Democratization and Development in Africa, Zed Books limited, London, 2000." (edited out because link now redirects to a different site.)


But here is another paper prepared by Ignacy Sachs for the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development (UNCED)

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Even if we know where we want to get, the operational question is how do we proceed to put humankind on the virtuous path of genuine development, socially responsible and in harmony with nature. It is submitted that UNCED 92 should give considerable attention to the formulation of transition strategies that could become the central piece of the Agenda 21.
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To be meaningful, the strategies should cover the time-span of several decades. Thirty-five to forty years seems a good compromise between the need to give enough time to the postulated transformations and the uncertainties brought about by the lengthening of the time-span. The retooling of industries, even in periods of rapid growth, requires ten to twenty years.
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unesdoc.unesco.org...

That's the reason for the indoctrination of younger generations to accept "socialism" for decades, and it is the reason why "left-wing academics" have pushed for socialism to be indoctrinated to the young generation through education. Even thou the indoctrination for our younger generations to accept socialism started even before this paper was published in 1991.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: XAnarchistX
a reply to: DBCowboy

Well, it would also abolish the constitution, so, it's great without it

Yeah, I figured that one out.

I wish more people would realize the freedoms they would lose if they embraced communism.

I wish more people would realize the freedoms they would gain if they embraced my version of communism.

originally posted by: XAnarchistX
First, true communism is the abolishment of the State, thus no structural hierarchies and no 'authoritarian figures ruling'

Russia, China, Cuba were not a true communist or even socialist nations because they had their State and governments, so at best it was State or National Socialism which is a different ideology and theory than actual communism.

Where Marx got it wrong was the calling for a 'transitional state' or 'dictatorship of the proletarian' that would be the transition from capitalism to socialism and then communism as the final goal, that is counterproductive as the entire point is to abolish the state, money, class etc

that is why anarchist and communist have clashed before because we don't want the transitional state, we just want to go straight into communism

That was pretty quick into the discussion that the "That wasn't really communism" post came up.

ah yes the myth of the non-state collective.
Do you also believe in a moneyless( lack of definite medium of exchange) and a ""gift" economy"?
I have my qualms about anarcho-cap societies as well but cmon man.
I don't doubt the few examples of anarcho-com instances in history where they maintained the existing capital in an area, but growth was never shown.

Communism for Kids

Simple.

You own nothing personally.

All your work belongs to the state.

You have absolutely no individual rights what so ever.

The constitution is gone.

Womens rights are none existent. See rape camps in North Korea. See China's one child policy.

I have to laugh at people saying there hasn't been true communism yet.

There has been for decades, and it's a living hell for the majority.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
People in the left also seem unable to comprehend that the ideology that globalists want to implement "globally", is a type of fascist(socialist) system similar to that of Mussolini.

You got that half right.

3 things that I take away from the manifesto is that:

1. It talks smack of socialism, classic liberalism and democracy. To say that it is any of these things is missing the mark.

2. It is honest about the role of the state. A nation's government is the controlling corporation and everything under it subsidiaries.

The incorporating document of a country may pay lip service to freedom but by its very nature it places everything under its control. In no instance is the government going to give full freedom. It will only give what it deems necessary.

and 3.

The Fascist State organizes the nation, but it leaves the individual adequate elbow room. It has curtailed useless or harmful liberties while preserving those which are essential. In such matters the individual cannot be the judge, but the State only.

The difference between countries is the amount of elbow room given to the citizens. Which brings us back to point number 2.

There is no reason, other than fear mongering, to believe that globalists want to implement the failed "systems" of the 20th century when the American model worked so much better. The only requirement is having to give people the illusion of freedom.

originally posted by: neo96
Communism for Kids

Simple.

You own nothing personally.

All your work belongs to the state.

You have absolutely no individual rights what so ever.

The constitution is gone.

Womens rights are none existent. See rape camps in North Korea. See China's one child policy.

I have to laugh at people saying there hasn't been true communism yet.

There has been for decades, and it's a living hell for the majority.

Are you saying that there CAN'T BE a westernized communist nation that retains the same values we hold dear? Such rigid thinking puzzles me.

a reply to: Bone75

After watching the likes of Stalin,Castro,Mao and and the Kims for decades.

Amazing people think communism is GREAT !

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Bone75

After watching the likes of Stalin,Castro,Mao and and the Kims for decades.

Amazing people think communism is GREAT !

There is a real example of communism right now, where basic needs are taken care of and the people being given everything they need and then some if they want to advance in society. All the refugees in Europe right now! The state magically makes money, services, and goods appear for free.
Look how good it is working! what an amazing model.