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"Communism for Kids":Published by MIT Press

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posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 12:00 AM
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a reply to: daskakik

Sure, you can SAY whatever you want. But a libertarian and a socialist are total OPPOSITE sets of rules. It's like if I said while going forward in my car, if I turn my steering wheel to the right, it turns the car left because I choose to believe that. Don't judge!! Fine. I won't. But it doesn't make a damn bit of realistic sense!
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posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 12:07 AM
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a reply to: Wookiep

Again... Socialism is a form of economy not government. It is worker ownership of the means of production not state ownership. Don't yell at me over your own ignorance.



posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 12:14 AM
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a reply to: Wookiep
So people who think that way are not really fully either of those things.

It doesn't mean that they don't uphold those parts of conflicting ideals.

You can't say that they don't and have it be true just because you say so.



posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 12:18 AM
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a reply to: Kali74

Socialism is all about social reforms... Social reforms are done by "governments". You are still wrong about what socialism is.


Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production.
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en.wikipedia.org...


A social system is the patterned series of interrelationships existing between individuals, groups, and institutions and forming a whole/
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en.wikipedia.org...

Social systems are governments.

What Is a Social System?



posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 12:19 AM
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a reply to: Kali74

I'm not yelling at you. I just think your idea of what socialism is, is a fantasy. Who do you suppose would have managed Bernies welfare state? By throwing in the word "democracy" suddenly doesn't make it government ran? Ok, so you vote for it. Still doesn't mean you own it. It's a fantasy to envision a socialistic system that isn't solely ran by the government.

I think what you want is true capitalism (without admitting) where big corps can't influence government and the FED and big banks. Workers already own corporations in the form of stock options when they choose to do so.

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posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 12:21 AM
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a reply to: daskakik

Ok. Well I suppose you'd believe me if I hypothetically told you I believe in very limited government, but I love the notion of the government running pretty much everything.

Cool.

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posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 12:22 AM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Socialism is not about the individual, but about "the collective".

That applies to all nations.


Nope. There are nations that value individualism which is why there are rights for individuals and not just "the collective". That is why in non-socialist/communist regimes people have individual rights that the person is not forced to forsake for the collective.

A few of you are really confused about what you believe, and reality.



posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 12:27 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Socialism is not about the individual, but about "the collective".

That applies to all nations.


Nope. There are nations that value individualism which is why there are rights for individuals and not just "the collective". That is why in non-socialist/communist regimes people have individual rights that the person is not forced to forsake for the collective.


By any chance, were you a third or fourth grade school teacher back in the early 80's?



posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 12:28 AM
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a reply to: Wookiep

Why not? You might very well believe that is what would work the best.



posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 12:30 AM
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originally posted by: Bone75

By any chance, were you a third or fourth grade school teacher back in the early 80's?


What in the world?... No, I was a child/teenager during the 80s. What does that have to do with the topic of the thread?



posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 12:31 AM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: Wookiep

Why not? You might very well believe that is what would work the best.


Lol.




posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 12:31 AM
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originally posted by: daskakik

Why not? You might very well believe that is what would work the best.


Believing in a limited government is contrary to believing the government should run everything...

You can't have both, is either one or the other.

Same thing about anarchism and socialism. It's oxymoronic to believe you can be an anarchist, and a socialist. In one, anarchism, there is no government. In the other, socialism, the government runs everything.
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posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 12:33 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

They might pay lip service to individuality but the collective is the main issue of every state.

Even the US kept the southern States from leaving the collective and that is a reality you can't dismiss.



posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 12:35 AM
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a reply to: Wookiep

That doesn't mean you can't believe that.



posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 12:35 AM
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a reply to: daskakik

What I am is whole, not picked from various other things. Noam Chomsky is a self described Libertarian Socialist, he also uses the term Anarchist. Some people are just too small minded to bother with and I wonder if we should keep bothering.

We could really blow some minds and talk about free market socialism and how the revolt against feudalism sparked the notion of a free market but t he idea belonged as much to the Socialist as it did the Capitalist. Too much?



posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 12:36 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Depends on what someone believes
almost everything entails.



posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 12:38 AM
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a reply to: Wookiep

Honestly, research it yourself, otherwise you're just being an ass.



posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 12:40 AM
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a reply to: Kali74

Chomsky can call himself whatever he wants, but in the end he's a far left democrat. I've read and watched several interviews of his. He tries to disguise himself into all manner of things, but in the end listening to him is like listening to NPR.

He's the one all the super wanna be "intellectual" SJW's listen to. He got REAL big during the OWS debacle.

Can't stand the guy personally, but no-one is stopping you from worshiping him.



posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 12:41 AM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

They might pay lip service to individuality but the collective is the main issue of every state.

Even the US kept the southern States from leaving the collective and that is a reality you can't dismiss.


Not really. The American Civil War was a war known to tear families apart because people in the same state had different political leanings. The Civil War was fought over the right of blacks, a minority, because they are human like whites and every other race is.

There were states where the majority of the people leaned either as Republicans, against slavery, or as democrat who wanted to keep slaves.

Republicans were also the first ones to try to give the same rights to women, and they were the ones who tried several times to pass the Civil Right Acts.



posted on Apr, 18 2017 @ 12:43 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: Bone75

By any chance, were you a third or fourth grade school teacher back in the early 80's?


What in the world?... No, I was a child/teenager during the 80s. What does that have to do with the topic of the thread?


I was just wondering because throughout this thread you've been repeating everything my third or fourth grade teacher taught us practically word for word...

...which is relevant seeing as how you have such a problem with indoctrination.

Do you remember having to look at drawings of groups of people and figuring out which ones were the commies?



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