Trump Threatens Coverage Of Millions If Democrats Won’t Negotiate On ACA Repeal

There he is, earning his giant man baby title again.

a reply to: SBMcG

That means that the top 10% of taxpayers (who pay 90% of the taxes) would have to absorb the cost of that massive plan. Many of these folks would simply retire or quit and move elsewhere.

That didn't seem to happen in the 1950s. You know, when many Republicans believe America was great and the top earners were paying an effective tax rate of 70%.

So....

Your president is using you, the american citizen, as leverage (read: pawns) in his little partisan pissing contest.

And y'all are perfectly okay with that ??



Wow.

Just fricken, wow.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: SBMcG

That means that the top 10% of taxpayers (who pay 90% of the taxes) would have to absorb the cost of that massive plan. Many of these folks would simply retire or quit and move elsewhere.

That didn't seem to happen in the 1950s. You know, when many Republicans believe America was great and the top earners were paying an effective tax rate of 70%.

Almost no one paid that rate. In fact, throughout the 1950's, tax revenues were about 8% of GDP -- about HALF what they are now.

"Effective tax rates" were MUCH lower than they are now.

Another huge difference between the 50's and now is that pretty much everyone who earned an income of any kind paid taxes. Today, we have about 60% of wage-earners who pay nothing and the bottom 40% actually are in the negative because of the Earned Income Tax Credit.

If you want to go back to the economics of the 1950's that's fine with me. That will erase the massively-failed "Great Society" entitlements and all the other liberal handouts that have come since and would cut our taxes in half.

One of the biggest expenses in medical - - is malpractice insurance for doctors - - who pass that expense on to patients.

Maybe we should start there. Fix that.

originally posted by: Annee
One of the biggest expenses in medical - - is malpractice insurance for doctors - - who pass that expense on to patients.

Maybe we should start there. Fix that.

Limits on liability and tort reform should be included in any healthcare proposal. Problem is, most malpractice suits are in state court so you would have to get the 50 states to sign on to similar limitations, something the populous liberal states will never do.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

ACA is killing the working class. Absolutely. It subsidizes health care for the poor by taxing/penalizing the middle class. The wealthy....are mostly untouched in this (other than paying some higher premiums, which they don't really feel the impact of).

The only way to save the working class is to do something about the loss of jobs within the blue collar sector, tax relief, and health care relief. If we can't provide an affordable plan, then at least waive the penalty FFS. Its like Uncle Sam asking you "Head or gut" as he balls up his fist.

Its called "tyranny" to trample the rights of one to bolster another. Although nowadays its call "equality". I don't want equality if it means I keep having my money stolen to filter through a 3rd party before, in theory, helping the poor.

ACA is so stupid that trying to explain it makes me angry and I have to stop.

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: Annee
One of the biggest expenses in medical - - is malpractice insurance for doctors - - who pass that expense on to patients.

Maybe we should start there. Fix that.

Limits on liability and tort reform should be included in any healthcare proposal. Problem is, most malpractice suits are in state court so you would have to get the 50 states to sign on to similar limitations, something the populous liberal states will never do.

You were doing good til you just had to make it a Liberal issue.

It's an everyone issue.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: Annee
One of the biggest expenses in medical - - is malpractice insurance for doctors - - who pass that expense on to patients.

Maybe we should start there. Fix that.

Limits on liability and tort reform should be included in any healthcare proposal. Problem is, most malpractice suits are in state court so you would have to get the 50 states to sign on to similar limitations, something the populous liberal states will never do.

You were doing good til you just had to make it a Liberal issue.

It's an everyone issue.

Sorry, but that's a political reality. Put tort reform on the ballot in conservative Texas, it's likely to pass. Do the same in Cali, there's no way.

I wasn't trying to make that statement about political identification, just making an observation based upon personal experience.

Thank GOD we have a President with golden nards!

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Annee

If the Dems wanted a good bill, why didn't they get it right the first time?

Because they are big on talking but lack the ability to write (much less read) a bill before it is passed with legislation. "Lets pass this sucker so we can see what it says".. Which IMO says it all..

I am surprise people think they have insurance with a six to 12 thousand dollar deductible... sounds more like, don't dare get sick to me...

What annoys me is that even low level bureaucrats get great health care thru the government very affordable and great coverage, partially paid for by the taxpayers.

www.opm.gov...

But if you are an American working man without a plan at work then you are SOL.

I'm blessed to have a good plan thru my unions.

We can fight BS wars for corporate profit, subsidize oil companies that make obscene profits, bail out banks and failing corporations but can't afford to take care of the US citizens.

It's socialism taking care of the citizens, but capitalism taking care of corporations according to the Right wing.....wtf?



MAGA my ass....

originally posted by: olaru12
MAGA my ass....

So, are you blaming President Trump for the massive undeniable failure of Obama and his collapsing healthcare scheme?

Explain to me how that works again...?

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: olaru12
MAGA my ass....

So, are you blaming President Trump for the massive undeniable failure of Obama and his collapsing healthcare scheme?

Explain to me how that works again...?

We could have had an affordable single payer system but the Republicans Bent over for their Corporate masters the Insurance companies and health care for profit.

Socialism to take care of the citizens...Capitalism to favor the Corporate Oligarchy.


Wheres's Trumps plan?

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: olaru12
MAGA my ass....

So, are you blaming President Trump for the massive undeniable failure of Obama and his collapsing healthcare scheme?

Explain to me how that works again...?

We could have had an affordable single payer system but the Republicans Bent over for their Corporate masters the Insurance companies and health care for profit.

Socialism to take care of the citizens...Capitalism to favor the Corporate Oligarchy.

Educate me. Tell me how we could have an "affordable" single-payer system and who would pay for it.

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: olaru12
MAGA my ass....

So, are you blaming President Trump for the massive undeniable failure of Obama and his collapsing healthcare scheme?

Explain to me how that works again...?

We could have had an affordable single payer system but the Republicans Bent over for their Corporate masters the Insurance companies and health care for profit.

Socialism to take care of the citizens...Capitalism to favor the Corporate Oligarchy.

Educate me. Tell me how we could have an "affordable" single-payer system and who would pay for it.

Are you familiar with Google? Here, I'll help you get started...

www.healthcare-now.org...

www.pnhp.org...

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: olaru12
MAGA my ass....

So, are you blaming President Trump for the massive undeniable failure of Obama and his collapsing healthcare scheme?

Explain to me how that works again...?

We could have had an affordable single payer system but the Republicans Bent over for their Corporate masters the Insurance companies and health care for profit.

Socialism to take care of the citizens...Capitalism to favor the Corporate Oligarchy.

Educate me. Tell me how we could have an "affordable" single-payer system and who would pay for it.

Are you familiar with Google? Here, I'll help you get started...

www.healthcare-now.org...

www.pnhp.org...

Hmm. Those are both very rudimentary political advocacy sites that neither describe how the single-payer system could be "affordable" or who would pay for it.

The bottom 60% of earners already pay ZERO in taxes. The top 20% of earners -- many of whom are family businesses, farmers, or other capital-intensive ventures like land development (me) pay 90% of the taxes.

Right now, the United States pays about 17% of our GDP in taxes. A single-payer socialist medicine system (like Canada's) would require about 35% - 40% of GDP in taxes.

So if 20% of the population is already paying 90% of the taxes, and taxes to support a socialist healthcare system would require at least a doubling of that tax burden, what do you think would happen?

The top 20% would retire, quit, and leave.

Then who pays...?

a reply to: SBMcG



You can't just throw out a bunch of numbers without links. I want real numbers not some Drudge or Alex Jones BS or some right wing blogger.

There are lies, damn lies and statistics....

Republicans can't govern. They rule by tyranny.

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: SBMcG



You can't just throw out a bunch of numbers without links. I want real numbers not some Drudge or Alex Jones BS or some right wing blogger.

There are lies, damn lies and statistics....

Sure.

I'm not trying to deceive you.

Top 20% of Earners PAY 80% of Taxes

If you can get past the fact that there is no constitutional right to healthcare, and there is no constitutional grant of power for the Federal government to meddle in same, let's talk about who pays for "universal" coverage.

Again, 20% of taxpayers pay 90% [see link above] of the taxes. Who would pay for single-payer healthcare? Would you double the taxes on the top 20%?

What effect would that have on those folks? How would they react?

I know how I would react.

I would quit. Retire. Cease all operations.

And I'm small potatoes...