Trump Threatens Coverage Of Millions If Democrats Won’t Negotiate On ACA Repeal

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: SBMcG
a reply to: spiritualzombie

it was a liberal president -- the most liberal president in US history who had the most liberal Congress ever at his command, who knew that not only was universal healthcare unconstitutional, but that it would bankrupt the country.

Congratulations, BTW... You've got me defending Obama now

There was so much partisan B.S. getting in the way of Obama's healthcare, that I don't buy for a second that the reason we don't have Universal Healthcare is because it wasn't possible. The biggest hurdle is greed. Right now we have a healthcare system built on health insurance greed with Republicans completely in the pocket. That's the problem. They can't even talk about it until that issue is resolved. Maybe what you're really telling me is that Republicans will never be strong enough or brave enough to break free from those chains.

You are completely wrong. There was ZERO "partisan B.S." because the Republicans had no power.

Death Panels for grandma ring a bell? Obama single-handedly debating a room full of republicans. Socialist Nazi healthcare?

The health insurance industry heavily lobbied against the public option which is why it was removed. Republicans were a mouthpiece for this.

If you say there was no partisan B.S., you negate your entire position....

a reply to: SBMcG


why is it that having a single payer, gov't run healthcare system would be unconstitutional, but taking money from taxpayers who can't afford access to our healthcare system in order to enable other people who can't afford access to our healthcare to access isn't??

oh ya, we have the greatest healthcare system in the world, supposedly, but much of that healthcare system has been built via taxpayer money, and in many areas of the country over 50% of the revenue that is going to the providers is from the gov't programs... of which, much of it is taxpayer money!

ya know what really sucks?? listening to your state and local gov't constantly explain why this fee or that tax has to be increased.... to fund the medicaid program while you are watching your abilty to walk deteriorate unable to pay for your own healthcare needs! picking and choosing from those who need the help based on who you think deserves that help while continually taking more and more money from those you are denying that help to is far more unconstitutional than coming up a single payer system that ensures all have access to the healthcare!

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: SBMcG
a reply to: spiritualzombie

it was a liberal president -- the most liberal president in US history who had the most liberal Congress ever at his command, who knew that not only was universal healthcare unconstitutional, but that it would bankrupt the country.

Congratulations, BTW... You've got me defending Obama now

There was so much partisan B.S. getting in the way of Obama's healthcare, that I don't buy for a second that the reason we don't have Universal Healthcare is because it wasn't possible. The biggest hurdle is greed. Right now we have a healthcare system built on health insurance greed with Republicans completely in the pocket. That's the problem. They can't even talk about it until that issue is resolved. Maybe what you're really telling me is that Republicans will never be strong enough or brave enough to break free from those chains.

You are completely wrong. There was ZERO "partisan B.S." because the Republicans had no power.

Death Panels for grandma ring a bell? Obama single-handedly debating a room full of republicans. Socialist Nazi healthcare?

The health insurance industry heavily lobbied against the public option which is why it was removed. Republicans were a mouthpiece for this.

If you say there was no partisan B.S., you negate your entire position....

So, are you claiming that Obama and the most liberal government we ever had didn't pass universal healthcare because of Republicans who had no power to stop them?

Again, you leftists will never get universal healthcare. It's unconstitutional and there's no way to pay for it.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: SBMcG


why is it that having a single payer, gov't run healthcare system would be unconstitutional, but taking money from taxpayers who can't afford access to our healthcare system in order to enable other people who can't afford access to our healthcare to access isn't??

oh ya, we have the greatest healthcare system in the world, supposedly, but much of that healthcare system has been built via taxpayer money, and in many areas of the country over 50% of the revenue that is going to the providers is from the gov't programs... of which, much of it is taxpayer money!

ya know what really sucks?? listening to your state and local gov't constantly explain why this fee or that tax has to be increased.... to fund the medicaid program while you are watching your abilty to walk deteriorate unable to pay for your own healthcare needs! picking and choosing from those who need the help based on who you think deserves that help while continually taking more and more money from those you are denying that help to is far more unconstitutional than coming up a single payer system that ensures all have access to the healthcare!

There exists no provision in the Constitution granting the authority to or mandating the Federal government provide healthcare to US citizens. There is no grant to the individual of a right to healthcare anywhere in the Constitution.

Even Obama and his leftist government in 2009 knew that.

a reply to: SBMcG

Yes there is, it's USC15, Chapter 1 covering monopolistic practices , price fixing, price collusion and federal consumer law, all 50 states have similar laws also.

The medical industry has no immunities from these laws contrary to what that industry would have everyone believe.

They tried and lost case at supreme court attempting that very claim.

The protection, the only protection they have is bought and paid for politicians.

Maybe you should seek other investments because you are invested in criminal enterprises.

a reply to: Phoenix

You're laughably wrong -- USC15 has to do with trade and commerce regulation and in no way grants the power to the Federal government to provide healthcare to citizens, nor does it establish healthcare as a right under the Constitution.

i'll do ya one better...

Nowhere in US legal precedent -- particularly SCOTUS rulings, has healthcare been ruled a right under the Constitution.

If USC15 provided cover, why didn't Obama and his liberal Congress follow through with universal healthcare?

a reply to: jtma508

I agree, we need to stop forcing hospitals into absorbing the healthcare costs of illegal aliens. We should focus on tightening our border. This alone would save us billions a year.

I am glad you agree with me there, I am sick of paying for illegals hospital visits. Did you know that hospitals pay tens of thousands of dollars to fly illegals over the border, because it is cheaper than continuing to provide healthcare for free?

Don't forget that hospitals are massively wasteful, because they get paid from insurance companies and the government. The rest is written off. It's the same exact waste and lack of accountability that we see in our federal government. I don't want to pay a dime into ANY system that doesn't respect my hard earned money.

a reply to: Winstonian

Saving billions? Who does that save? Exactly who and how much?

Every illegal could be deported and it won't change a thing in what you pay.

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: SBMcG
a reply to: spiritualzombie

it was a liberal president -- the most liberal president in US history who had the most liberal Congress ever at his command, who knew that not only was universal healthcare unconstitutional, but that it would bankrupt the country.

Congratulations, BTW... You've got me defending Obama now

There was so much partisan B.S. getting in the way of Obama's healthcare, that I don't buy for a second that the reason we don't have Universal Healthcare is because it wasn't possible. The biggest hurdle is greed. Right now we have a healthcare system built on health insurance greed with Republicans completely in the pocket. That's the problem. They can't even talk about it until that issue is resolved. Maybe what you're really telling me is that Republicans will never be strong enough or brave enough to break free from those chains.

You are completely wrong. There was ZERO "partisan B.S." because the Republicans had no power.

Death Panels for grandma ring a bell? Obama single-handedly debating a room full of republicans. Socialist Nazi healthcare?

The health insurance industry heavily lobbied against the public option which is why it was removed. Republicans were a mouthpiece for this.

If you say there was no partisan B.S., you negate your entire position....

So, are you claiming that Obama and the most liberal government we ever had didn't pass universal healthcare because of Republicans who had no power to stop them?

Again, you leftists will never get universal healthcare. It's unconstitutional and there's no way to pay for it.

You need to first walk back your statement that there was "zero partisan B.S." with Obama's healthcare plan. If you can't own up to the partisan B.S. then everything you say is suspect.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: SBMcG
a reply to: spiritualzombie

it was a liberal president -- the most liberal president in US history who had the most liberal Congress ever at his command, who knew that not only was universal healthcare unconstitutional, but that it would bankrupt the country.

Congratulations, BTW... You've got me defending Obama now

There was so much partisan B.S. getting in the way of Obama's healthcare, that I don't buy for a second that the reason we don't have Universal Healthcare is because it wasn't possible. The biggest hurdle is greed. Right now we have a healthcare system built on health insurance greed with Republicans completely in the pocket. That's the problem. They can't even talk about it until that issue is resolved. Maybe what you're really telling me is that Republicans will never be strong enough or brave enough to break free from those chains.

You are completely wrong. There was ZERO "partisan B.S." because the Republicans had no power.

Death Panels for grandma ring a bell? Obama single-handedly debating a room full of republicans. Socialist Nazi healthcare?

The health insurance industry heavily lobbied against the public option which is why it was removed. Republicans were a mouthpiece for this.

If you say there was no partisan B.S., you negate your entire position....

So, are you claiming that Obama and the most liberal government we ever had didn't pass universal healthcare because of Republicans who had no power to stop them?

Again, you leftists will never get universal healthcare. It's unconstitutional and there's no way to pay for it.

You need to first walk back your statement that there was "zero partisan B.S." with Obama's healthcare plan. If you can't own up to the partisan B.S. then everything you say is suspect.

If I remember correctly, President Obama had a majority in the Senate and House. Republicans were powerless, just like Democrats are now. There was quite a bit of in-fighting with Democrat ranks. Nobody got everything they wanted.

But at least they had the INTEGRITY to get the law passed! I can't tell you how disgusted I am with our Republican House. I have more RESPECT for Democrat House members at this point. That's SAD!

a reply to: spiritualzombie

You are right, because I pay nothing into Obamacare, and never will.

However, removing the illegal aliens would save the health care system billions a year.


Billions.

That is just a small slice of the pie that the illegals eat.

a reply to: Winstonian

If we're going to destroy illegal families over it for these "billions" saved I want to know exactly how much is my cut and where am I going to see that savings? Break it down to a dollar amount. Am I going to get a raise? Will milk cost less? Will it be a nice fat bonus in my tax return... exactly where will Isee that savings and how much will I get?

a reply to: spiritualzombie

Every bit saved can be used in the President's tax-reform package. The package will lower the amount of taxes you pay to the Federal Government. Those are real dollars in YOUR POCKET.

a reply to: carewemust

Pennies is more like it. Bring so much pain to families for pennies.

If you think that savings is going to trickle down into your pockets... it's just not. And its not worth the pain it causes. That money could be had elsewhere.

Question tho, what is the integrity that you feel the republicans lost that has you feeling disappointed with them right now?

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: SBMcG

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: SBMcG
a reply to: spiritualzombie

it was a liberal president -- the most liberal president in US history who had the most liberal Congress ever at his command, who knew that not only was universal healthcare unconstitutional, but that it would bankrupt the country.

Congratulations, BTW... You've got me defending Obama now

There was so much partisan B.S. getting in the way of Obama's healthcare, that I don't buy for a second that the reason we don't have Universal Healthcare is because it wasn't possible. The biggest hurdle is greed. Right now we have a healthcare system built on health insurance greed with Republicans completely in the pocket. That's the problem. They can't even talk about it until that issue is resolved. Maybe what you're really telling me is that Republicans will never be strong enough or brave enough to break free from those chains.

You are completely wrong. There was ZERO "partisan B.S." because the Republicans had no power.

Death Panels for grandma ring a bell? Obama single-handedly debating a room full of republicans. Socialist Nazi healthcare?

The health insurance industry heavily lobbied against the public option which is why it was removed. Republicans were a mouthpiece for this.

If you say there was no partisan B.S., you negate your entire position....

Again, you leftists will never get universal healthcare. It's unconstitutional and there's no way to pay for it.

Blacks will never be free. Women will never vote. Man will never set foot on the moon. What other impossibilities will there be?

The constitution is a living document.. Amendments are meant to happen. If it is the will of the people, Universal Healthcare will become reality.

a reply to: spiritualzombie

I don't want to destroy families, I want to send them all back.

You won't get a raise, you will get the same amount of welfare as you always have.

Its several BILLIONS of dollars that would be saved in the healthcare system alone.

Maybe that's how we get everyone on board. Promise a $75 a month increase on welfare benefits if they vote to protect our borders and get rid of the leeches. Would you take that deal or no?

a reply to: spiritualzombie

As you know, the Republican House voted 32 times to Repeal ObamaCare, with NO replacement. When running for office, a major item of promise was that if America delivers a Republican HOUSE-SENATE-PRESIDENT, ObamaCare is history..GUARANTEED.

Turns out, they were all LIARS. They even had a 3-point REPLACEMENT plan ready to go this time, and still couldn't repeal ObamaCare last month.

I don't like the Democrat's way of getting things done, but at least they stick together and work as a team to fulfill as many promises as possible. I respect them more at this point, than I do House Republicans.

House Republicans should start drinking out of the same drinking fountain as Senate Republicans. They said, "We will use the nuclear option to confirm Gorsuch to the Supreme Court, if we have to!". That's exactly what they did, without blinking an eye.

originally posted by: Winstonian
a reply to: spiritualzombie

I don't want to destroy families, I want to send them all back.

You won't get a raise, you will get the same amount of welfare as you always have.

Its several BILLIONS of dollars that would be saved in the healthcare system alone.

Maybe that's how we get everyone on board. Promise a $75 a month increase on welfare benefits if they vote to protect our borders and get rid of the leeches. Would you take that deal or no?

No, I wouldn't take that deal even if I was on welfare... because I'm not heartless. You said you don't want to destroy families, you only want to send them back... well, I have news for you, that does break up families... And when this happens and they go from having a home to a detention and then homeless -- what do you think that does to the family?

And how about these insurance companies who (Until Obama changed it) would allow men, women, and children to die without coverage just because of a "pre-existing condition". Those are the billions you go after. Not the families who are struggling to live a humble life, but those vicious health insurance oppressors who would sooner bleed children to death than take a dollar less in profits.

a reply to: spiritualzombie

If you want to support people that willingly and knowingly break the law and trespass into this country, go for it. I don't want to do that with my hard earned money. If you think that bringing in uneducated, non-English speaking, often violent, people into this country that send the majority of the money they make out of country isn't detrimental to the people that are already here, then you are spending too much time thinking about your feelings instead of facts.

It's like feeling sad for a rapist that gets locked up for 20 years because it's breaking up a family. These people know they are breaking the law, so they get to assume the risk and the burden, not me.

You must not care about American families. Why would you rather look out for the interests of illegal foreigners over your own countrymen? Do you hate Americans? How many people have to be adversely effected by illegals before you start caring about Americans?

Maybe you should send your money to Mexico too, so you can REALLY help out the families you pretend to care so much about. These people don't care about our country, and neither do you. Virtue signal all you want, but you are on the wrong side of the issue.

Do you know WHY people come across illegally? Have you ever been to a border town?

And also, keep sucking that ACA propaganda. Obama and his cronies were NOT doing anything to benefit the people. It was nothing less than a massive transfer of wealth from the middle class to the elite insurance companies, much like the banker bailouts, and every other scam they run on us.

Wake up.

a reply to: SBMcG

There exists no provision in the Constitution granting the authority to or mandating the Federal government provide healthcare to US citizens.

regardless of what the constitution says...
the gov't seems to have been doing that for some of the luckier poor in this country, haven't they?

There is no grant to the individual of a right to healthcare anywhere in the Constitution.

no, but by funding those programs with taxes that are paid by all to provide it to their "pets", not to mention the taxmoney that has been used to build up the healthcare system, ect.. they have made it a right for all!

Even Obama and his leftist government in 2009 knew that

did he?? really?? or was it more like he came into office with a healthcare system that was already failing and needing a bailout and obamacare, with all it's flaws was more the hail mary to give the system life support??

please, show me just where in the constitution it gives the gov't the permission to view a child of higher value than the stay at home uninsured mother of that child, because if you actually look at what qualifications all these gov't handouts have attached to them, including those intended to help obtain healthcare.... THEY DO!!!