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US Drops MOAB Bomb in Afghanistan

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posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 05:17 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
Dollar counting worked out so well in Vietnam didn't it ?

That's not how you win wars.

You win wars by killing the enemy.


Dollar counting is an integral part to understanding the ISIS strategy against the US, which is really just a continuation of Bin Laden's strategy that he successfully used against both Russia and the US. Basically, they trade blood for dollars in such a way that defending against them becomes impossible, and they beat us by making us spend ourselves into oblivion. It's very important to not fall for such a strategy. That strategy is why they've been winning for the last 16 years, they've successfully made us spend trillions of dollars that we don't have while themselves operating on a budget of only a few million per year.




posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 05:30 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: neo96
Dollar counting worked out so well in Vietnam didn't it ?

That's not how you win wars.

You win wars by killing the enemy.


Dollar counting is an integral part to understanding the ISIS strategy against the US, which is really just a continuation of Bin Laden's strategy that he successfully used against both Russia and the US. Basically, they trade blood for dollars in such a way that defending against them becomes impossible, and they beat us by making us spend ourselves into oblivion. It's very important to not fall for such a strategy. That strategy is why they've been winning for the last 16 years, they've successfully made us spend trillions of dollars that we don't have while themselves operating on a budget of only a few million per year.


there is far more money being funneled to them through iran and other countries along with the oil theyve appropriated and sold then just a few million each year. back in 2015 it was suspected that they were bringing in over a million dollars a month. washington post



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 05:56 PM
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originally posted by: TheScale
there is far more money being funneled to them through iran and other countries along with the oil theyve appropriated and sold then just a few million each year. back in 2015 it was suspected that they were bringing in over a million dollars a month. washington post


A million per month is only $12 million per year. We spent much more than that on this single bomb.

Anyways, I got the numbers mixed up. Al Qaeda is estimated to run on $20 million per year. ISIS is relatively rich at $2 billion per year (more than I thought they had in revenue), but that has always been ISIS's strength, compared to other terrorist groups ISIS is quite wealthy. If you consider the US vs ISIS to be a war of nations though, ISIS is a very poor nation, they would be the about on par with Somalia.

This is why you have to pay attention to the dollars. The vast difference in budgets forces ISIS to commit to asymmetrical warfare. It's like the English vs the Colonies when we rebelled, except the roles are reversed now. Attacks and strategies we can employ the force them to fight symmetrically will result in our victory, while the opposite will eventually result in their victory.



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 06:59 PM
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Still beating that dead horse called Afghanistan...(?)



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 07:26 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr


Still beating that dead horse called Afghanistan...(?)



Afghanistan is just a battlefield for ISIS and other groups to hide.

It seems to me that taking war seriously instead of trying to win "hearts and minds" as the last two administrations have tried and lied us into, is a far better route. It's either that or get out altogether.

Either way is fine by me.



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 07:49 PM
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originally posted by: HeyAHuman
Millions were spent to drop the MOAB to kill 36 people.... Meanwhile, one man takes out 49 at an Orlando nightclub. One man.


More likely the SWAT team did most of that in order to 'save' the hostages.

I, personally, believe we should combine several technologies here.

Let's start with a basic ground penetrator, and add in the slurry/vapor technology that Talley designed for SMAW-HIT.

Imagine a thermobaric tunnel breacher. It crashes through into the tunnel complex, fills the air with Talley's magic goo, and detonates the air inside the tunnel complex. All you see are little poofs of smoke at the exits. Meanwhile, inside, it's chutney time.
edit on 15-4-2017 by Bedlam because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 07:54 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

Mountainous terrain is the most difficult to conquer. During WWII the Allies only advanced at the Maginot line In Italy because the Germans retreated. They never did pass the Kesserling line until the Germans surrendered in 1945.

The US were unable to hold or retake North Korea for the same reason.

Nobody has ever taken and held Afghanistan, either.



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 08:30 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn

originally posted by: intrptr


Still beating that dead horse called Afghanistan...(?)



Afghanistan is just a battlefield for ISIS and other groups to hide.

It seems to me that taking war seriously instead of trying to win "hearts and minds" as the last two administrations have tried and lied us into, is a far better route. It's either that or get out altogether.

Either way is fine by me.


doubt it happens. afghanistan is one of the most resource rich countries in the world. on top of that big pharma is making out like a bandit with the increased opium production. even talked to soldiers who talked about escorting the chinese to the mines and opium fields to work and they stood guard over them. its being pillaged



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 09:00 PM
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a reply to: TheScale

I conducted several operations in Afghanistan.

Please tell me more.



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 09:15 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

Excerpt from: theconservativetreehouse.com...

"“The bomb’s reverberations wave frightened me so badly. I have witnessed thousands of battles, but no bomb scared me like this one did.”  ~ Hanifullah (62-year-old Shodal Resident)""

Quite a statement, considering who said it. Wouldn't people who were close enough to the blast be totally incinerated? This ISIS death toll of 94 is probably the minimum number killed.


edit on 4/15/2017 by carewemust because: formatting



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 09:19 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

Since they're finding them in the tunnels, most were probably killed when the tunnels collapsed, and by the shockwave moving through them.



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 10:04 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

Be careful posting anything by conservativetreehouse. They tend to post a lot of Sorcha Faal-type hyped up garbage that turns out to be false.



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 10:12 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

There's another site that posted a similar article. I posted it last night. They said one of the homes in the village suffered cracked walls at a mile and a half.



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 10:13 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

I was thinking of those ISIS terrorists who were above-ground at that moment. POOF!



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 10:15 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

If there were any, then probably. But it appears that the vast majority were still in the tunnels. They said as many as 800 were in there.



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 10:22 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
Afghanistan is just a battlefield for ISIS and other groups to hide.

It seems to me that taking war seriously instead of trying to win "hearts and minds" as the last two administrations have tried and lied us into, is a far better route. It's either that or get out altogether.

Either way is fine by me.


I would say we need to get out. Hearts and minds sounds like a lot of BS, but it's really the only long term solution. If the people hate us, they're going to join insurgent groups. There's no amount of policing we can do that's going to change that. We're the invaders. The best way to win the hearts and minds is to GTFO and start sending corporations over to make everyone wealthy. Jobs to occupy their time, and better purchasing power than they currently have tends to soften opinions.



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 10:24 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: carewemust

Be careful posting anything by conservativetreehouse. They tend to post a lot of Sorcha Faal-type hyped up garbage that turns out to be false.


Understood. I posted that particular article because it made me feel proud of our entire military, and how President Trump trusts them to make decisions and implement plans. Not to mention how good our weapon engineers are. Especially so, after seeing how North Korea's rocket engineers keep screwing up.



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 10:32 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: carewemust

If there were any, then probably. But it appears that the vast majority were still in the tunnels. They said as many as 800 were in there.


I wonder where the other 700 are staying now? Do you think they have the nerve to go back underground again? This military strategist says that there are probably a lot of ISIS survivors with perforated eardrums, broken legs, and other injuries...with no one to treat them.

This might be the MOAB-induced psychological damage that military experts are referring to?



posted on Apr, 15 2017 @ 10:41 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan

I agree we need to GTFO, but doing it halfway through a fight isn't really an option. We actually tried that in Iraq under Obama, and that slip alone was enough to create a void that ISIS would wind up filling. Now we have terrorist threats throughout Europe and the US.

Our only viable option at this time is to defeat ISIS, allow a reasonable government to fill the void, get our little hineys out of where they don't belong, and never, ever, under any circumstances, pull such a bonehead maneuver again.

But the first step is win, as quickly and painlessly as possible.

TheRedneck



posted on Apr, 16 2017 @ 07:43 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

This is why I am wholly against the "hearts and minds" strategy. The longer you drag out a conflict the more innocent people will suffer.

Wars should be fought ferociously and with the intent to win and leave. Otherwise you'll only prolong suffering and waste lives and money.




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