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US Drops MOAB Bomb in Afghanistan

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posted on Apr, 14 2017 @ 10:07 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

Yes, the shock wave initiates above ground. But shock waves don't just stop when they hit a different medium. They continue at a lower intensity based on the difference in viscosity of the two mediums. A smaller air burst explosion might not have had the desired effect due to this lessening, but MOAB is large enough to cause significant underground damage to soft targets.

I really don't think you comprehend what happened. Big doesn't start to describe this thing.

TheRedneck




posted on Apr, 14 2017 @ 10:08 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

Since this MOAB performed so well, why didn't Obama's military use it? Those tunnels and ammo stores must have been there for years.



posted on Apr, 14 2017 @ 10:12 PM
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a reply to: intrptr


If they were really after deep deep tunnels in mountains they would have used the "MOP".

That would be like trying to shoot a mouse infestation with a 30-30. I'd personally prefer a shotgun... better yet, a flamethrower.

But you'd probably complain a 30-30 kills better...

TheRedneck



posted on Apr, 14 2017 @ 10:13 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: TheRedneck

1o tons of explosive will produce a shock wave, yes. Less of one when its detonated above ground. MOAB = Massive Ordnance Air Burst, does not penetrate then detonate, nor move mountains.

Did anyone read the link I provided above pages? The reason they used an airburst weapon was show for the cameras, as the penetrator version you mentioned would produce a sub surface seismic wave but look less impressive on the surface. If they were really after sub structure they would have used it instead. Air burst, Big fireball, big impression. Sub surface detonation, big landslide, wheres the boom?

IMO, this is political air strike, much like the tomahawk strike on Syria, or whatever they got planned for NK tomorrow.

Edit: read the article...

www.abovetopsecret.com...




youd think if it were a show for the cameras they could have chosen a better time and multiple angles. instead we get a flir image that has no sense of scale to it at all. could have been a small mortar attack if u werent told otherwise.



posted on Apr, 14 2017 @ 10:15 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

Yes, it appears they are out of Daisy Cutters according to the information I've seen.

Yeild on a Daisy Cutter was around 7 tons TNT equivalent, not a lot smaller than the MOAB.

Much ado about nothing really, sure caught the medias attention.

Global security link

Airmen from the 711th Special Operations Squadron dropped the last operational BLU-82/B from an MC-130E Combat Talon I on 15 July 2008 at the Utah Test and Training Range. Wing officials said they believde there were no plans, at that time, to produce BLU-82/Bs in the future. The only remaining inactive bombs were used for loadmaster training and for static displays in museums.

After the end of the the conflict in Southeast Asia, the US Air Force retained the remaining BLU-82/Bs. Eleven BLU-82/Bs were subsequently dropped during Desert Storm, all from Special Operations MC-130s from the 8th Special Operations Squadron. The initial drops were intended to test the ability of the bomb to clear mines. No reliable bomb damage assessment was subsequently gathered on mine clearing effectiveness. Later, bombs were dropped as much for their psychological effect as for their destructive power.

As of 13 December 2001, the US had dropped at least 4 BLU-82/B bombs in Afghanistan, mainly on tunnels reportedly holding top al Qaeda leaders.


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posted on Apr, 14 2017 @ 10:18 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck


Yes, the shock wave initiates above ground. But shock waves don't just stop when they hit a different medium.

Stopped, no, reflected yes, especially from the ground.

When you want to affect something directly with explosives the charge needs to be placed in direct contact. Even a short distance would be a waste of explosives. Especially 314million dollars, lol.

They been doing this forever with caves and tunnels in the mountains of Afghanistan, usually putting a bunker buster gps guided munition directly into the entrance. Has way more effect than this device ever would.

This drop was for show.

(imo)



posted on Apr, 14 2017 @ 10:20 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

I guess Obama was more interested in making sure the terrorists didn't get offended...?

TheRedneck



posted on Apr, 14 2017 @ 10:22 PM
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a reply to: D8Tee

"Daisy cutters" were used in Vietnam to open landing zones to build mountain top bases...



posted on Apr, 14 2017 @ 10:25 PM
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a reply to: intrptr


Stopped, no, reflected yes, especially from the ground.

Yes, some is reflected, but some also penetrates. The equations are similar to those for transparency/reflectivity of light through non-opaque mediums.

I'm curious: why do you think a couple hundred MOPs would be preferable to a single MOAB when it obviously got the job done? The MOPs would make for a better show.

TheRedneck



posted on Apr, 14 2017 @ 10:27 PM
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a reply to: TheScale
They never show that stuff.If someone did they would be arrested like Manning for "Collateral Damage". Neither did the cruise missile attack on the Syrian airbase have much (any?) show in the news.

But I already proposed the strike of a MOAB would shut any tunnel entrance it was detonated in proximity of, instead of a bunch of collapsed tunnels they got a (most impressive) big fireball.



posted on Apr, 14 2017 @ 10:30 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: carewemust

I guess Obama was more interested in making sure the terrorists didn't get offended...?

TheRedneck


Or, perhaps Obama didn't know that the MOAB bomb existed. I bet President Trump didn't know either, until after it was used by the U.S. Commander of Afghanistan this week.



posted on Apr, 14 2017 @ 10:31 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck


I'm curious: why do you think a couple hundred MOPs would be preferable to a single MOAB when it obviously got the job done? The MOPs would make for a better show.

TheRedneck


One MOP, not 'hundreds'. Because the blast would be 'mostly contained' below ground.

Ever see the Pakis nuke test? Big (not so impressive) avalanche...

edit on 14-4-2017 by intrptr because: spelling, additional



posted on Apr, 14 2017 @ 10:33 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

No... Moab has been out there in the open for a while. Theres nothing secret about it. Probably no president that isnt somewhat familiar with it in some briefing or an other.



posted on Apr, 14 2017 @ 10:41 PM
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a reply to: BASSPLYR

Is it true that President Trump doesn't want to know "details".. like the hundreds of weapons in America's arsenal? I heard yesterday that he's delegated big military decisions out to the men/women who run the various military theaters.



posted on Apr, 14 2017 @ 10:47 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: TheRedneck


Yes, the shock wave initiates above ground. But shock waves don't just stop when they hit a different medium.

Stopped, no, reflected yes, especially from the ground.

When you want to affect something directly with explosives the charge needs to be placed in direct contact. Even a short distance would be a waste of explosives. Especially 314million dollars, lol.

They been doing this forever with caves and tunnels in the mountains of Afghanistan, usually putting a bunker buster gps guided munition directly into the entrance. Has way more effect than this device ever would.

This drop was for show.

(imo)



the bombs they drop in the entrances are generally not bunker busters, they are thermobaric bombs whos shockwave will travel down the tunnel shattering anyones body thats inside.



posted on Apr, 14 2017 @ 10:54 PM
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originally posted by: TheScale

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: TheRedneck


Yes, the shock wave initiates above ground. But shock waves don't just stop when they hit a different medium.

Stopped, no, reflected yes, especially from the ground.

When you want to affect something directly with explosives the charge needs to be placed in direct contact. Even a short distance would be a waste of explosives. Especially 314million dollars, lol.

They been doing this forever with caves and tunnels in the mountains of Afghanistan, usually putting a bunker buster gps guided munition directly into the entrance. Has way more effect than this device ever would.

This drop was for show.

(imo)



the bombs they drop in the entrances are generally not bunker busters, they are thermobaric bombs whos shockwave will travel down the tunnel shattering anyones body thats inside.


The MOAB isn't thermobaric (fuel air explosive).

The 21,700-pound [9,500 kilogram] bomb contains 18,700 pounds of H6, an explosive that is a mixture of RDX (Cyclotrimethylene trinitramine), TNT, and aluminum.


The MOAB weapon is based upon the same principle as the BLU-82 "Daisy Cutter", except that it is larger and has a guidance system. The weapon is expected to produce a tremendous explosion that would be effective against hard-target entrances, soft-to-medium surface targets, and for anti-personnel purposes. Because of the size of the explosion, it is also effective at LZ clearance and mine and beach obstacle clearance. Injury or death to persons will be primarily caused by blast or fragmentation. It is expected that the weapon will have a substantial psychological effect on those who witness its use. The massive weapon provides a capability to perform psychological operations, attack large area targets, or hold at-risk threats hidden within tunnels or caves.

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posted on Apr, 14 2017 @ 11:02 PM
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Mohammad Shahzadah talks about being a mile and a half away from where the bomb impacted. He said that it "felt like a boat in a storm" when it detonated. He said that doors and windows in his house are broken and walls are cracked.

www.theguardian.com...



posted on Apr, 14 2017 @ 11:02 PM
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Could someone elaborate on this statement?

""It is expected that the (MOAB) weapon will have a substantial psychological effect on those who witness its use. The massive weapon provides a capability to perform psychological operations, attack large area targets, or hold at-risk threats hidden within tunnels or caves.""

What is the "psychological effect"? I've seen this term used over and over again, in connection with the MOAB explosion, but none of the news stories elaborate.



posted on Apr, 14 2017 @ 11:05 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

If you saw something like that detonate, and kill a bunch of your comrades, and destroy your base, you'd probably be pretty messed up.

There's a hoary legend that during Desert Storm, the US flew over a Republican Guard unit, and dropped leaflets that they were going to drop a Daisy Cutter, at a specific time, on a specific day. It was going to destroy everything within a certain radius, but was not nuclear. The Guard laughed and stayed in place. On that day, at that time, they were almost wiped out.

A few days later, at a different location fliers were dropped. This time, the officers were killed and most of the Guard fled, leaving their equipment behind.

No idea how much truth there is, but that would be the psychological effect.



posted on Apr, 14 2017 @ 11:10 PM
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originally posted by: RAY1990
Mother Of All Bombs is a nickname.

It's called Massive Ordinance Air Blast.

About 35 ISIS fighters dead, it's a huge waste of money considering. The US has other weapons just as capable of destroying such targets.

From what people say the bomb costs, it's the near equivalent of $500,000 per person.


$500,000 per person in ISIS is a good deal. They would be fully wiped out for $8 billion, which is much less than the trillions we've spent attempting it already.



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