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SLAM DUNK Obama abused the Fisa Court to Spy on Trump Advisor Carter Page

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posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 03:21 PM
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a reply to: butcherguy

But at least they are an American organization.




posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 03:22 PM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: Stevemagegod

Would you hack a stranger's email for any reason? We should trust scumbags./s



Yes. We should trust it because Hillary wanted him Droned.



posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 03:23 PM
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a reply to: Stevemagegod

Hackers are the new "peeping toms". Wouldn't want to be one.



posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 03:28 PM
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How long before Carter Page registers as a foreign agent.... So far Michael Flynn and Paul Manafort....



posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 03:32 PM
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originally posted by: AboveBoard
a reply to: Stevemagegod

Prove it. Prove Obama asked Comey to spy on them.




Like the Captain of a ship the President is responsible for all actions of his/her government. Obama was President right?






posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 03:32 PM
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originally posted by: SlapMonkey

originally posted by: AboveBoard
Sorry but the FISA court is there to protect from abuse and they don't grant warrants without merit.

This comment literally made me laugh out loud when I read it.

LMAO! The FISA court almost never refuses to grant a warrant. They're the textbook definition of a worthless rubber-stamp process.



posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 03:40 PM
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originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: butcherguy

But at least they are an American organization.


That kills American citizens.
Cool.



posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 03:40 PM
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Let me explain to everyone once and for all why this could only be a political witch hunt to discredit Trump.


Proposition 1) There was some reason to believe there was suspicious activity between associates of Trump and Russians who may have ties to the Russian government or themselves be "spies" or similar unsavory characters.

This suspicion could be used as a pretext or basis for asking the FISA court for a warrant to pursue further surveillance with perhaps wider scope and more dedicated resources.

NOW, the first question to ask is: HOW, in what manner, and to whom, did whatever information about potential suspicious activity come about?

You cannot assume Rice herself discovered the information, for it is not in her job description to personally conduct or view fresh intercepts, but rather is the one to whom those under her report. (correct me if im wrong)

Now, so operating under the assumption that a lower level "spy" or intelligence officer acquired the information which seemed suspicious the most LIKELY chain of custody would be for that information to be brought up the chain of command to Rice who then would review it and make a determination as to the next course of action (still with me?)

So, no matter how the information was ultimately used to get a FISA court warrant, it is almost certain that Rice was in the loop and made some high level decisions about how to proceed with whatever information was assembled and presented as a basis for the FISA warrant, which we know was granted.

It is widely known now that Rice began requesting the unmasking of individuals names associated with Trump around July of 2016 after he had won the Republican nomination. Now, since the FISA warrant investigation is likely to have already been underway for a while prior to this it seems reasonable that Rice wanted to know more about who was speaking in the intercepts.

So what i just described above is pretty much admitted as fact by most news and media outlets. What they appear to differ on is the interpretation of Rices actions vis a vis the intercepts. (incidental or otherwise, another semantics can of worms)

Now to the questions we can reasonably ask about the above summary of events.

Question 1. Assuming the FISA warranted investigation into Page was already well underway by the time Rice requested other names be unmasked, it is reasonable and logical to ask why up to that point, if there had been any actionable or substantial evidence of wrong doing that Page would not have already been interviewed prior to Rices request of unmasking other names perhaps not even associated with Page at all but definitely associated with Trump.

But lets give her the benefit of the doubt, perhaps there was no "slam dunk" evidence of wrong doing and maybe she wanted to see if other members or associates of Trumps team were involved in similar correspondence with Russians. Fine, sounds perfectly reasonable since there was already a very legal investigation into Page underway, who we know was talking to Russians.

So Rice sought further contextual understanding of the NATURE of Trump associates communication with Russians and apparently found nothing actionable because if she had, she would have been duty bound to bring it up immediately to prevent those engaging in known collusion with Russians to either be associated with Trump, or to be helping Trump become president ostensibly with help from the Russians.

I must stress, for Rice to have damning information on anyone close to Trump involved with his campaign colluding with Russians, and to have not done something with that information to keep Trump from gaining an unfair advantage with Russian help would be a profound dereliction of duty and practically speaking aiding and abetting the interference of a foreign State into the electoral process of a US president.

Now, to sum up. We have to assume Susan Rice is a SEASONED PROFESSIONAL who knows her job quite well. Furthermore, we should reasonably assume that Susan Rice would know what unethical, illegal or otherwise sinister activity would look like with her ability to view raw intelligence surveillance intercepts. It is reasonable to assume Susan Rice would know what "collusion with foreign State actors" would look like.

Therefore....for Susan Rice to have had access to all the relevant intelligence on Trump and his team at least a full THREE MONTHS before the Presidential elections, and to have done NOTHING about it can only mean one of two things.

1) There was no actionable or credible information gathered in the surveillance that anyone on Trumps team or associated with Trump was colluding or working with the Russians in any way to gain an advantage for Trump

or

2) There was credible information that associates of Trump were colluding with Russians to help Trump gain an advantage over Clinton

Now this is the really important part of this. If you choose number 1 then you have to ask why would anyone in the intelligence community passively or actively engage in the dissemination or support of a narrative that Trump or his team colluded with Russians to help get him elected when it would have been KNOWN there was no actual evidence to support that narrative. Would Rice and her subordinates not be profoundly irresponsible in not just allowing, but perhaps helping propagate a conspiracy theory that had no basis in fact? (thats political motivation by the way, no other way around it)


If you choose number 2 its even worse because it would mean Rice and others had actual credible information that Trump and or his team was colluding with Russians and did exactly NOTHING to prevent a potential "Russian puppet" from gaining the highest office in the Nation and the most powerful position in the "free world".

Proposition 2) is a little easier and less verbose

This alternative explanation says that Rice and or others in the IC, at Obamas behest, actually used legal loopholes to fabricate a basis for surveillance of associates of Trump to see if there was any dirt they could gather to use against him.

Again, no matter what the motivation was for the intelligence gathering under the FISA warrant you can go back to Questions 1 and 2 for why it doesnt matter why the spying took place. Either way, whether it was initially conducted properly, or based on a fabricated suspicion that could pass muster with the FISA court, the outcome of the fishing expedition was the same: ZERO conclusive evidence of any collusion between Trump and the Russians.

Now, any reasonable thinking person would have to conclude, as i showed above, that if there had been no credible evidence of collusion the "collusion conspiracy" should have never seen the light of day, much less thousands of articles well timed to appear only AFTER Trump won the election.

and furthermore if there WAS credible evidence of collusion then everyone with knowledge would have violated their oaths to "protect from enemies foreign and domestic" in a manner never seen before. What kind of intelligence professional, especially Susan Rice, with knowledge and evidence of Trump colluding with Russians, would effectively sit on that information allowing Trump to become president?

And if she wasnt sure about whatever "evidence" they had and what it meant that calls into question her qualifications and expertise for who in her position would not be able to spot the evidence of collusion after THREE MONTHS?



posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 03:40 PM
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originally posted by: Stevemagegod

originally posted by: TinySickTears
i dont know man
your last BS thread didnt get too many stars...

youre slipping

you were all gung ho that trump was spied on....you were on it

now its a slam dunk cause someone involved in his campaign(pretty sure they never even met) was spied on??
keep moving the goals

i really dont think you know what youre talking about but thats just me


Associated with the Trump Campaign is still spying on a Political Opponent. You need to widen your definition.


no i do not.
you were one of the many that were positive that obama spied on trump. despite any evidence of this you were positive cause trump made a tweet.

now you are all gung ho that someone connected to him was spied on....

why did you abandon your crusade for shouting from the rooftops that trump was spied on?
what changed?



posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 03:42 PM
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a reply to: AndyFromMichigan
Well, at least you get it, AFM.



posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 03:42 PM
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originally posted by: Stevemagegod

originally posted by: AboveBoard
a reply to: Stevemagegod

What does Obama have to do with any of that???



Comey worked for Obama during the Campaign. Obama asked and Comey delivered.



In other words, maybe, just maybe, there is an actual counterintelligence reason for the investigation?? Just a thought.


Still waiting on that reason.



Sorry but the FISA court is there to protect from abuse and they don't grant warrants without merit.


And yet it just happens to be against Political Opponents.



Because trump traded lifting sanctions and turning a blind eye when putin takes back Ukraine for data on his political opponents hacked from government officials...

And Flynn said he was gonna drop sanction , which is why he got fired for lying..

Now Fox News is already saying we should trade Ukraine for resuming regular relations after Syria..

A Syria that wasn't even really bombed...


Quid, pro meets quo



posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 03:44 PM
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Trump has a knack for surrounding himself with foreign agents.



posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 03:51 PM
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originally posted by: spiritualzombie
Trump has a knack for surrounding himself with foreign agents.







"Cough, cough..."

It's just purely by coincidence..

"Cough, cough..."

Why is there so much smoke?!?!



posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 03:53 PM
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originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: Stevemagegod

originally posted by: TinySickTears
i dont know man
your last BS thread didnt get too many stars...

youre slipping

you were all gung ho that trump was spied on....you were on it

now its a slam dunk cause someone involved in his campaign(pretty sure they never even met) was spied on??
keep moving the goals

i really dont think you know what youre talking about but thats just me


Associated with the Trump Campaign is still spying on a Political Opponent. You need to widen your definition.


no i do not.
you were one of the many that were positive that obama spied on trump. despite any evidence of this you were positive cause trump made a tweet.

now you are all gung ho that someone connected to him was spied on....

why did you abandon your crusade for shouting from the rooftops that trump was spied on?
what changed?



The FBI came out and said Page was under investigation..

They surveil people under investigation lol..



posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 03:54 PM
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a reply to: TinySickTears

Thats only because there are three threads
on it right now, add all of them up and it shows
there is still a great interest in the politically
motivated surveillance of Trump and associates.

Also, still no evidence whatsoever of collusion!



posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 03:59 PM
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a reply to: burntheships

Haha, yeah, and yet his advisors keep registering as Pro-Russian foreign agents
... Nope, thing to see here... just a candidate calling on Russia to hack his opponent and surrounding himself with foreign agents.



posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 03:59 PM
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originally posted by: AboveBoard
a reply to: Stevemagegod

Sorry but the FISA court is there to protect from abuse and they don't grant warrants without merit.



Seems like the FISA court approves nearly every warrant application they see. So much for the idea that the court is a check on the intelligence community's potential abuse.

www.theguardian.com...



posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 04:01 PM
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a reply to: butcherguy

That's why they have guns, sometimes it goes with the job.


(post by GoldenMan removed for political trolling and baiting)

posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 04:07 PM
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a reply to: spiritualzombie

LOL, is that illegal? Also, not even close to Podesta
and the foreign agents FARA filings, and violations
of not filing.

Clinton Russia Collusion: Hillary Sold Out U.S. National Interests to the Putin Regime

Read more at:
www.nationalreview.com...




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