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Former Trump Adviser: Obama Targeted Him As A "Dissident" Under FISA

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posted on Apr, 11 2017 @ 11:51 PM
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New reports are surfacing that the Obama Administration did obtain
a FISA warrant to target former Trump Advisor Carter Page. While
there are no official names associated with the report from WaPo,
Carter Page has actually weighed in and he welcomes the reports;
saying he has nothing to hide and has done nothing wrong. His
comments are that he was targeted as an outspoken "dissident".


New York business consultant Carter Page told ABC News that he was "so happy" to learn that The Washinton Post reported on Tuesday night that the FBI obtained a secret FISA warrant to monitor his communication last summer as part of its ongoing investigation into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian government because it confirms that he had been the victim of "human rights violations."

"There had been prior reports, but I was so happy to hear that further confirmation is now being revealed," Page said. "It shows how low the Clinton/Obama regime went to destroy our democracy and suppress dissidents who did not fully support their failed foreign policy. abcnews.go.com...


At this time of reporting, no names yet but indicators are that the
FBI facilitated the FISA warrant.

Here is WaPo "news" statement:

@washingtonpost

The FBI obtained a FISA warrant last year to monitor Trump adviser Carter Page in a probe of campaign’s Russia ties

twitter.com...



“further confirmation is now being revealed” about how he has been the subject of a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, or FISA, warrant against him. When pressed for details, he backed away from having any specific knowledge of the secret order, saying, “I don’t know anything. I’m just following what’s in the media.” Politico


According to news reports, The FBI has declined to comment.

If this news is true, appears Trump was right again. He was surveilled,
and his associates were "spied" on.

Politically motivated?
Has there been any evidence presented of wrongdoing as of this date?

Original ATS Discussion Thread here: Donald Trump has just directly accused Obama of wiretapping Trump residence.


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posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 01:10 AM
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a reply to: burntheships


. When pressed for details, he backed away from having any specific knowledge of the secret order, saying, “I don’t know anything. I’m just following what’s in the media.”


So he's not seen the warrant. He's not received a summons or anything. He has no specific personal knowledge of any such warrant actually existing against him. He's just saying there's a warrant because the media said it was true. That's from his own words, quoted in the body of your opening post. I don't think there's really any other way to interpret that...he has never been served a warrant nor seen one, nor been officially told one even exists; he's claiming this super duper secret order was issued for a warrant just for him...because he heard about it in the media. Wtf...seriously now.



posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 01:12 AM
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originally posted by: tigertatzen

So he's not seen the warrant. He's not received a summons or anything. He has no specific personal knowledge of any such warrant actually existing against him. He's just saying there's a warrant because the media said it was true. That's from his own words, quoted in the body of your opening post. I don't think there's really any other way to interpret that...he has never been served a warrant nor seen one, nor been officially told one even exists; he's claiming this super duper secret order was issued for a warrant just for him...because he heard about it in the media. Wtf...seriously now.


Kind of like how Obama heard about all of those super duper secret
happenings on the news too eh?

Well, Washington Post is the source, does this mean
they are now "fake news"?



posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 01:15 AM
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Carter Page on Anderson Cooper

Apparently he met with some Russian spy.


Knowingly acting as a foreign agent is probable cause for a FISA warrant...

(A) knowingly engages in clandestine intelligence gathering activities for or on behalf of a foreign power, which activities involve or may involve a violation of the criminal statutes of the United States;


Given the above, it doesn't seem like it would take much convincing to see if he actually was acting as a foreign agent...

"The FBI and the Justice Department obtained the warrant targeting Carter Page’s communications after convincing a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court judge that there was probable cause to believe Page was acting as an agent of a foreign power, in this case Russia, according to the officials."


This doesn't seem to involve Trump at all, but Carter Page - whom Trump would never even meet with. Seems a stretch to call him an associate or advisor, if Trump never met Page:

Trump's White House and campaign advisers dismiss Page as an inconsequential figure who has never met the president. He wasn't on the campaign payroll and severed ties with the Trump team before the election.

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posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 01:22 AM
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CNN is elated that the FAKE NEWS they've been dreaming up, could turn out to be REAL. Never mind that no one cares at this point, but CNN and the shrinking minority of hard-core Trump haters.

""The FBI and Justice Department obtained the warrant after convincing a FISA judge there was probable cause to believe Page was acting as an agent of a foreign government (Russia), the report says. The warrant presents the strongest information to date that the FBI had reason to believe a Trump adviser was in touch with Moscow and met with foreign operatives during Trump's presidential campaign.""

www.cnn.com...



posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 01:25 AM
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a reply to: Greven

Thanks for the videos, comprehensive coverage too.



Interesting timing, I must say by the WaPo, and that
with no named sources from the FBI. Is this a leak,
perhaps one that contains classified information?

Curious, if Page was not engaged with Trump,
they never even met...how might have Trump ended
up being surveilled? How might have Trumps associates
ended up being surveilled?



posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 01:32 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust
CNN is elated that the FAKE NEWS they've been dreaming up, could turn out to be REAL. Never mind that no one cares at this point, but CNN and the shrinking minority of hard-core Trump haters.



Now, there was a warrant, according to the news,
but they could not verify their own accounts just a week ago?

Ah ha, so CNN is reporting the same thing as WaPo!
Imagine that! But still, no named sources from the FBI?

Crazy times we live in. First there was no FISA warrant,
now there is, but no source, but CNN say ok!

Got it


Documenting this in real time, We have WaPo,
ABC, and CNN claiming a FISA warrant.

S = surveillance!

F = Fake news!
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posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 01:34 AM
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Crazy times we live in. First there was no FISA warrant, now there is, but no source, but CNN say ok!

Wasn't the claim that the warrant was on Trump?

The warrant on Page was renewed. That could indicate that the original warrant had been productive.

A funny thought occurred to me. You know those scandalous phone conversations which so outraged Devin Nunes? Maybe the surveilled person was Page. Maybe Nunes "withdrew" from the investigation in order divert attention from this. Maybe, if the committees started asking more questions it would maybe become uncomfortable.



posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 01:39 AM
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a reply to: burntheships

Honestly, I couldn't care less about Obama...I largely ignored the man. He's gone and has nothing to do with this, and people need to be focusing on the here and now because this is all just more distraction, misdirection. Only this particular story is just...

The way this reads is less like fake news and more like a melodramatic bunch of bizarre bull#. This person is making allegations that are very serious, but when questioned further, he actually opens his mouth and utters the statement that the allegations about his own freaking warrant were made only because of what he heard in the media about himself...what????

Ever have that feeling where something is so blindingly preposterous or astounding to witness that it takes on a dreamlike quality? That's me these days, pretty much all the time. But some things just deserve a capital WTF. This is one of those.



posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 01:45 AM
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originally posted by: Phage

The warrant on Page was renewed. That could indicate that the original warrant had been productive.


You have a source for that "renewed warrant"?
I see no reporting on that at all.



posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 01:48 AM
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a reply to: burntheships

Generally, its a good idea to refer to the original source. You know, the one linked in your OP? The Washington Post:

Since the 90-day warrant was first issued, it has been renewed more than once by the FISA court, the officials said.

source

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posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 01:54 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: burntheships

Generally, its a good idea to refer to the original source. You know, the one linked in your OP? The Washington Post:


We are supposed to take WaPo's word on this,
even though they dont have any named source?

Maybe WaPo is just faking a it?



posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 01:57 AM
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a reply to: burntheships




Maybe WaPo is just faking a it?

Maybe so.

That doesn't seem to be the opinion you presented in your OP.

If this news is true, appears Trump was right again. He was surveilled,
and his associates were "spied" on.


So, if this news is not true, does it appear that Trump was right? Ever?

And, if it is true, does it mean that Trump knew about Page?

What did he know? When did he know it?

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posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 02:11 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
Maybe so.


Yeah, unfortunately WaPo cites no names,
no timeline, no sources.

I wonder where they got this information from?
Yet, since they have already done this little dance
a few weeks ago, and could not verify their own
source it could be they are just massively misinformed,
or someone is feeding them fake news?



That doesn't seem to be the opinion you presented in your OP.

If this news is true, appears Trump was right again. He was surveilled,
and his associates were "spied" on.


Notice, I said "if" this is true, then yes Trump
was surveilled. FISA....S = Surveilled.

[quote
So, if this news is not true, does it appear that Trump was right? Ever?


Why would WaPo report fake news?


And, if it is true, does it mean that Trump knew about Page?


No, not based on Pages statement.
Do you have a valid source for your claims?

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posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 02:14 AM
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a reply to: burntheships




Why would WaPo report fake news?
I didn't say they did. You're the one who suggested it.


Do you have a valid source for your claims?
Which claims would that be? I stated what was stated by the source. I said I was intrigued by an interesting possibility and posed a couple of questions.

Your responses would seem to be non-responsive to my speculation. Do you think the source is making things up?

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posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 02:24 AM
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a reply to: burntheships

Seems like daily someone is leaking information to the press. so the alphabet agencies seem to have alot of leaks isnt that oh i dont know treason.



posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 02:26 AM
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originally posted by: Phage
Which claims would that be? I stated what was stated by the source.


You claimed the source said the FISA warrant was renewed.
But yet the source has no source. So?

No source from news agency, but the first hand witness denies
all of the source less claims. Seems like fake news to me!


I said I was intrigued by an interesting possibility.]


A possibility, based on what idea?

How can I tell if WaPo is fake news?

If your asking me, Carter Page seems much more credible
at this point, since he is a real first hand witness to the story.

He said he was targeted for being critical during the Obama
Administration, is dissent a reason to be targeted for Surveillance?

Is there any evidence implicating him... according to him, none!

No evidence, no source.....???

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posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 02:26 AM
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a reply to: dragonridr

No. Not treason. You can look that definition up.

But it is felonious.



posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 02:28 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

What do you mean no one cares?

Not only did they issue a FISA warrant they renewed it when it expired.
Why do you suppose they did that?

Because Page was,working as a Russian agent.

Everyone cares.



posted on Apr, 12 2017 @ 02:29 AM
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a reply to: burntheships




He said he was targeted for being critical during the Obama Administration, is dissent a reason to be targeted for Surveillance?


Oh, well. If that's what he says, it's good enough for me. I'm sure that the judge who granted the warrant was in Obama's pocket and there was no good reason for it to be issued.

"Critical of the Obama administration." When?

Page had been dealing directly with Russians. Russian spies. As a stooge, yes. Indeed.
www.foxnews.com...

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