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The SOCIALIST Justice Warriors

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posted on Apr, 10 2017 @ 05:48 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: amazing




But we all want social justice to a degree. It's all a matter of degrees and if it's happening to you. If we saw someone murdered on the street, we'd want justice. If we saw someone raped on the street we'd want justice. If we saw a guy grab a woman's ass on the street we might want social Justice, definitely the woman and her family members would. Would you?


Justice is one thing, social justice is another.

In practice, social justice is about justice for groups (whether they be racial, sexual, gendered, immigrants, the poor, etc.), without care for the justice of individuals. Look at the narrative against "the privileged", for instance. Some people are considered marginalized, discriminated against, privileged, underprivileged, because of what group they are a member of, not whether they can accurately be described that way.

This leads to a whole host of absurdities, for instance that straight white males are privileged, or that black women are marginalized, when it would be impossible to pass a white homeless man and call him privileged, or Oprah and call her marginalized. The point is, justice is served on an individual basis.


But not quite true. One example is freeing the slaves. That's social Justice to a group without any harm to the larger group. Gay marriage is another. Giving rights to one group without infringing on any other groups rights.




posted on Apr, 10 2017 @ 05:51 PM
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Note that the "usual suspects" aren't here to dispute their hypocrisy.

It's because that, in their eyes, it isn't hypocrisy. You're assuming that the SJW CTRL-Left cares about maintaining ideological consistency among their public positions.

They don't, because they aren't really interested in any form of "justice" at all. Equality is a red herring used to mask (poorly) their true intention--the destabilization and ultimate destruction of western society, in favor of a global socialist dictatorship.

They support anything that can be used to achieve this end, which explains how they can be pro-gay agenda while propping up Islam as "the religion of peace".

Christianity is public enemy number one in their pursuit, because (whether you like it or not) western society was founded on, and its prosperity made possible by, Christian moral systems.

Destroying such systems creates an ethical vacuum that can then be filled by whatever they want.
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posted on Apr, 10 2017 @ 06:32 PM
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originally posted by: NthOther
Note that the "usual suspects" aren't here to dispute their hypocrisy.

Maybe they don't support the list of things posted in the OP. I can honestly say that I don't think that anyone, that I have come across on ATS, would actually fit that description.

Don't know if I'm a "usual suspect" but I'm sure not what the OP is describing.



posted on Apr, 10 2017 @ 06:56 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Beautifully done! An excellent thread!
But,... but rationality is out of vogue!
(It's those millennials, kicking holes in mom's nice walls.)



posted on Apr, 10 2017 @ 07:00 PM
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originally posted by: jimmyx

of course you don't, but the right has their own definition of what is a social justice warrior, and i was trying to point out what immediately they associate that phrase with, when they hear it...geez, I'm on your side with this.


wow... so in other words you claim to be able to read people's minds huh?... Last I checked SJWs are not people with one color of skin, but is about the ideology of "social justice" as described by the left. But hey, who knew you would try to play the racial card huh?...

As examples of SJW hypocrites we got Madonna, etc who claim Trump and the right only see women as sexual objects, yet these same women can't see their hypocrisy. Madonna got rich not only because of her music, but because she sexualised herself in order to be famous, and she is still doing it.

Same for Miley Cirus, despite the fact that Cirus should be locked up because in her concerts not only does she wiggles her butt, and breasts in front of her audiences which are mostly teenagers, many of them minors. But she also let's those at the front of the row touch her sexual organs, yet she is another SJW hypocrite who also claims to be "pro-women" and "wants to fight the injustices on women"...

Heck, how about the "women's march" who also claim to be "pro-women". But when those women include those who are "pro-life" amongst others they get banned from marching in these events? Even though you had women's march organizers claim that "it didn't matter the ideology, and the women's march was a call to all women"...

Women’s March on Washington revokes partnership of another pro-life group


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posted on Apr, 10 2017 @ 07:12 PM
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originally posted by: NthOther
Note that the "usual suspects" aren't here to dispute their hypocrisy.

It's because that, in their eyes, it isn't hypocrisy. You're assuming that the SJW CTRL-Left cares about maintaining ideological consistency among their public positions.

They don't, because they aren't really interested in any form of "justice" at all. Equality is a red herring used to mask (poorly) their true intention--the destabilization and ultimate destruction of western society, in favor of a global socialist dictatorship.

They support anything that can be used to achieve this end, which explains how they can be pro-gay agenda while propping up Islam as "the religion of peace".

Christianity is public enemy number one in their pursuit, because (whether you like it or not) western society was founded on, and its prosperity made possible by, Christian moral systems.

Destroying such systems creates an ethical vacuum that can then be filled by whatever they want.

And we have a winner
Ring the bell everyone just got "schooled"
Pretty much defined the whole issue

edit on 4/10/17 by Gothmog because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 10 2017 @ 07:26 PM
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originally posted by: Gothmog

And we have a winner


That's what I was about to say!


The 'tell' about all their ordeal is how in every 'victory', instead of celebrate they re-doubling down with yet more anger.

Get abortion rights, pro-choice isn't even good enough now we need everyone to be pro-abortion.

Get a black POTUS, go nuts with racial hatred.

Get equal gay rights, start talking about what was it the other day, beastiality in the form of furry sex promotion on college campuses.

Get trans rights, even elementary school restrooms, now we need to go encourage socially engineer all the small children into becoming any of the 84+++++ genders besides binary.

Women projected to dominate the workforce, #killallmen!

And so on. Get all of the above... start committing open hate crimes in the streets for "more" (more what they dont even know anymore just "more").

edit on 10-4-2017 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 10 2017 @ 07:31 PM
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originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Relativism requires one to hold standards to some that he wouldn't hold to others, resulting in the sexist and racist mess we find among those who advocate for social justice.


But we all want social justice to a degree. It's all a matter of degrees and if it's happening to you. If we saw someone murdered on the street, we'd want justice. If we saw someone raped on the street we'd want justice. If we saw a guy grab a woman's ass on the street we might want social Justice, definitely the woman and her family members would. Would you?


There is already regular justice for that, ie assault. What more do you want?



posted on Apr, 10 2017 @ 07:35 PM
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originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: JAY1980

originally posted by: jimmyx
SJW's are the code word for black people who protest an injustice, and is meant to make them sound like wild animals with no self-control....all you need to do is go back into the ATS posts, and read what is said about them.

Actually SJW is code for virtue signaling, oppression Olympic playing, green haired, tight pant, Starbucks swilling, mental midgets...

Typically do their SJW'ing from their parents basement in between visits to pornhub.com...


Oh okay. I just read and article on Virtue Signalling and Christians. How Christians are using virtue signalling to get more people into the church.


They do, but let's not pretend that the term SJW hasn't shifted in the last few years and try and deflect away from that, shall we?

It used to be a term for progressives and their pushing for, not surprising anybody, social justice. But over the last few years when the "legalize weed and be cool to everybody" crowd was drowned out by the smaller yet infinitely more forceful crowd trumpeting about wage gaps and microaggressions and a litany of other crap they made up, SJW got hijacked.

Pretending that's not the reality of the situation today isn't going to change it. Saying Christians virtue signal to get people to join the Church isn't going to change it. Just like there are some legitimate Christians that aren't virtue signalling, there are some social justice warriors that aren't pulling things out of their ass to protest about. But, again, that doesn't change anything.


Sure it changes things. You have to speak your truth. The problem is that everyone that tries to do something good these days is seemingly lumped into a social justice group. We're all stereotyping and being stereotyped. The way to break out of that is stop with all htese phone labels. One example is BLM. If I protest one legitimate killing of a black person by a cop, that should stand on it's own and I shouldn't be lumped into a larger BLM protest, but I will be. Further if 1 person burns a store during a BLM protest, the other peaceful good meaning 20 members will be denegrated and the whole protest will be negated. Where's the sense in any of that?


The sense is that the 20 members need to stop the 1 degenerate or they will all be branded as facilitators and enablers.

In the Tea Party protests, we turned away the people who were trying to sneak in nazi signs. We followed plants who wanted to make us look like pro-KKK with signs that said "plant.' We cleaned up after ourselves. We thanked the cops for showing up. We didn't put up with crap from people trying to treat us like a mob.
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posted on Apr, 10 2017 @ 07:40 PM
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originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: rockintitz

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Relativism requires one to hold standards to some that he wouldn't hold to others, resulting in the sexist and racist mess we find among those who advocate for social justice.


But we all want social justice to a degree. It's all a matter of degrees and if it's happening to you. If we saw someone murdered on the street, we'd want justice. If we saw someone raped on the street we'd want justice. If we saw a guy grab a woman's ass on the street we might want social Justice, definitely the woman and her family members would. Would you?


What is social justice? Wanting justice for an entire group, a collective.

Your examples are not that. They are for individual justice on a case by case basis and only after a crime has been committed.

Which I am all for.



If we saw someone murdered on the street, we'd want justice. 


And hopefully justice would be done, by making the murderer pay.

The social justice response would be to condemn everyone that walks, talks, acts like the murderer and require they all fix what's wrong with themselves.

The justice system in America and most of the west is the best in the world.

How to improve on that? Dont.


The problem is that people get left out or get shafted by the system, government all the time. Cops get away with murder, Women and minorities get discriminated against, LGBTQ people get harrased, people with disabilities get a raw deal from people. Fighting for those people and better laws and changes in policy etc are what social justice Warriors do. For real. Whiners and people that stereotype whole groups are not social Justice warrirors.. they're just jerks, small minded, close minded people. but they aren't real social Justice wArriors. Martin Luther king jr would be turning over in his grave


This is the problem. SJW wants special treatment for people because of assumed discrimination.

If the cops legitimately murder someone, they will be prosecuted.

Did you ever stop to think those anecdotal scenarios of people being 'discriminated/harassed' is because they were a-holes or broke law/contract? From what I have seen SJW assume innocence before gathering the facts and learning the background information. All that matters is that one person is female/black/gay/etc and therefore were framed.

People are jerks. That includes minorities. Accepting that fact is fairness in action.



posted on Apr, 10 2017 @ 07:46 PM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

originally posted by: Gothmog

And we have a winner


That's what I was about to say!


The 'tell' about all their ordeal is how in every 'victory', instead of celebrate they re-doubling down with yet more anger.

Get abortion rights, pro-choice isn't even good enough now we need everyone to be pro-abortion.

Get a black POTUS, go nuts with racial hatred.

Get equal gay rights, start talking about what was it the other day, beastiality in the form of furry sex promotion on college campuses.

Get trans rights, even elementary school restrooms, now we need to go encourage socially engineer all the small children into becoming any of the 84+++++ genders besides binary.

Women projected to dominate the workforce, #killallmen!

And so on. Get all of the above... start committing open hate crimes in the streets for "more" (more what they dont even know anymore just "more").

And with that added to the post I commented on
We HAVE the ULTIMATE definition of a SJW and what it means to be one
This needs to be a Wiki
Great , the both of you

edit on 4/10/17 by Gothmog because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 10 2017 @ 07:57 PM
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You see, I know what a true "Social Justice Warrior" is
We fought against pollution
We fought against unjust wars
We fought against corruption in government
We fought against racism
On and on
But never against other people or their beliefs
We accepted everyone in the name of Peace
Were we called nice names like "Social Justice Warriors" ?- Hell to the no
We were called "dirty tree hugging liberal hippies" among other worse names. By all sides.
And I would rather still be called the latter , rather than a SJW today...

And I have the scars and the (tie-dyed) tshirts to prove it...

End Rant
Goth
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posted on Apr, 10 2017 @ 08:04 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

As a socialist myself, I fail to see how your list of complaints actually apply to the socialist ideology.

Your very first sentence of the OP show us the confusion you have with the definition of socialism and social justice.



It's pretty clear to me now that the real legitimate energy behind the "SJW's" must be about Socialism, not "Social Justice".


The things you have listed do pertain to social justice and have very little to do with socialism or a socialist economic ideology.

In short, you have no clue what you are talking about.



posted on Apr, 10 2017 @ 08:07 PM
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a reply to: introvert

He's using the socialist/fascist regime of the USSR, PRC, etc as a launching point to demonize political rivals. Its old hat, especially here in the mudpit.



posted on Apr, 10 2017 @ 08:12 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: introvert

He's using the socialist/fascist regime of the USSR, PRC, etc as a launching point to demonize political rivals. Its old hat, especially here in the mudpit.


Old hat...or in other words, misinformed and ignorant.

Social justice is not the same as socialism, but it appears to have been conflated.



posted on Apr, 10 2017 @ 08:21 PM
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Typical ramblings of a crackpot, painted with big brush strokes.

Ignorance must be bliss.



posted on Apr, 10 2017 @ 08:37 PM
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a reply to: introvert

What I did was point out how all the things supposedly important to SJW types every time proves to be a total farce.

This begs the question, then what are they really after?

Unless we're to assume you're all completely out of your minds with hypocrisy? Like the ultimate insanity hypocritical movement in human history stuff we're faced with all this SJW noise when taken in whole.

Or is there something else going on here with this SJW stuff?

The thread in whole seems to paint the picture. Or are we just to sum it up as I was all about smearing 'my opponents' as socialists? Good luck with that. I actually threw you guys a bone as not necessarily being completely insane.

Or do you prefer being assumed to be completely insane and totally disingenuous?

That you're a socialist and one of the core people whom show up if someone has "SJW" in their thread title, etc, hmmmmm.


originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: introvert

He's using the socialist/fascist regime of the USSR, PRC, etc as a launching point to demonize political rivals. Its old hat, especially here in the mudpit.


Other than that Bernie supporter with the Communist flag image I happened to already have, I made no reference to Communism in general, let alone specific iterations of it like the USSR and PRC.
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posted on Apr, 10 2017 @ 08:49 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss



What I did was point out how all the things supposedly important to SJW types every time proves to be a total farce.


Ok. What does that actually have to do with socialism?



Unless we're to assume you're all completely out of your minds with hypocrisy? Like the ultimate insanity hypocritical movement in human history stuff we're faced with all this SJW noise when taken in whole.


What the hell are you talking about?

I've just said there is a difference between social justice and socialism.

Do you have a problem differentiating between the two?



The thread in whole seems to paint the picture. Or are we just to sum it up as I was all about smearing 'my opponents' as socialists? Good luck with that. I actually threw you guys a bone as not necessarily being completely insane.


This thread is summed-up in the embarrassment of your illogical assertions.



posted on Apr, 10 2017 @ 09:25 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Oh how I enjoy you going wild with the quote brackets to take the tedious and play dumb levels off the charts.

Here I'll rephrase:

We (like most all outside observer individuals of increasingly every walk) know the SJW core items of outrage are a farce, or they're insane with hypocrisy. And we can see that no matter what they get they get even more outraged in response to winning those items of focus.

So it begs the questions: Are they liars? Are they truly insane with this "pretzel logic" stuff? Etc.

Well the more I look at it I keep seeing Socialism as the underlying thing that they all seem to run with. Or is it proper Communism? Or "anti-capitalism". Spin it how you want. But unless you can explain what feminism has to do with socialism, then spinning is all you're doing (as usual).

As a self-described socialist and one constantly triggered by criticisms of SJW's, quit playing dumb. It's unbecoming of you.



posted on Apr, 10 2017 @ 09:48 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: introvert

He's using the socialist/fascist regime of the USSR, PRC, etc as a launching point to demonize political rivals. Its old hat, especially here in the mudpit.


Yeah it's so old... I mean, there is India, socialism makes people thrive other there right? Or Venezuela? Socialism is making everyone equally hungry. Great equality...

BTW, before you, and some others start with the "but look at Sweden, etc"... Those countries did not become rich by being socialist, but by being capitalist. now, as countries like Sweden become more and more socialist, are things getting better? How is "multicultaralism" and "the open door to everyone without vetting" doing in Europe?... Women are told not to go out to the streets alone. They are told what to wear, and if they wear miniskirts and get assaulted or raped, "it's the woman's fault"...


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