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Man Violently Dragged Off Plane After United Airlines Overbooks Flight

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posted on Apr, 11 2017 @ 08:08 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
So your conclusion is that UA and the police did nothing wrong here?


You are aware that this particular case is not a black-and-white one in terms of who was right and who was wrong, right?

If you truly believe that the doctor did nothing wrong, did not contribute in some way to his own downfall and should be completely absolved of any responsibility for anything that turned the situation from bad to worse, and is the real victim in this whole ordeal...well...

Seriously, how could you believe this?




posted on Apr, 11 2017 @ 08:15 AM
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a reply to: Dark Ghost

I never suggested such a thing. I was merely asking a question. Clearly some of the blame lies with this guy as the whole situation itself wouldn't have occurred if he just agreed and gotten off of the plane "voluntarily".



posted on Apr, 11 2017 @ 08:24 AM
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originally posted by: Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Conditioned to believe they are our biggest enemy? Nope. I have learned they are but one of many potential enemies of people.


Anybody that gets in your way to achieve your goal is a potential enemy. If you saw a cop fighting a homeless person, wresting for the gun, eventually the homeless guy grabs it, makes the cop go on his knees, cocks the gun and pauses briefly before the cop can finish yelling out that he has three kids...BAM! Too late. You walk up to the homeless guy and ask what happened, he replies "He asked me to move for the third time today and threatened to arrest me if I didn't. He should have listened." Are all homeless people from this point forward now your potential enemy?


Appealing to the law? Once again, I think not. The law is the tool of the offenders, who, in this case, likely broke it.


The law is also the ultimate tool for a person who wants so badly to do something he knows he shouldn't (whether that is due to desire, pride or vengeance) has been told by others he shouldn't and then goes ahead and does it because he is after all protected by the law for doing so.


There WAS logic and reason for not getting off the flight. He is a doctor. He had patients and appointments he needed to keep. He had no reason to believe UA would get him on a flight that would allow him to keep his schedule. They simply went in and dragged him off. He was not unreasonable, at that point, to see the officers as a threat to his personal safety.


No, what you are referring to are "valid objections before automatically complying with a request made of you." Just because you can list reasonable and logical arguments for refusing to get off does not mean your decision to not get off is based on logic and reason. He had so many opportunities to just think about what was happening and make an informed decision. I do concede that when you are angry you are far less likely to make good decisions, but please don't say he had no other choice other than how he ended up conducting himself.


Ok, so you are not from the UK, my bad. You are not from the U.S., and speak like someone living in a country where people have higher levels of trust and accountability in their law enforcement than the U.S.


Perhaps I am fortunate to live in a country where policing is not fantastic but still mostly police are assumed to be safe to approach or be approached by, but definitely not to the extent as is described by groups such as Black Lives Matter.

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posted on Apr, 11 2017 @ 08:32 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
I never suggested such a thing. I was merely asking a question. Clearly some of the blame lies with this guy as the whole situation itself wouldn't have occurred if he just agreed and gotten off of the plane "voluntarily".


In your reply that I was responding to, where you asked another member if they "actually thought the airline and the police did nothing wrong", it seems odd you would ask a question with such a seemingly obvious answer and then sincerely await as though you were genuinely curious whether the person thought that.

I viewed it as a rhetorical question and replied to you as a result. If you were genuinely curious of the members answer, then I apologise because I would be wrong.


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posted on Apr, 11 2017 @ 08:38 AM
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This incident is not fading away in just a couple news cycles. The arrogance of UA defending the violent removal of the passenger is causing outrage around the world.

United Passenger's removal sparks outrage in China



posted on Apr, 11 2017 @ 08:54 AM
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a reply to: thekaboose
first the plane was not overbooked they just had to get four of their guys to kentucky and they they expected boarded people to give up there seats for vouchers not cash. if the plane was truly overbooked they would have stopped 4 people at the gate. also why did they not put their crew on a different flight or b have someone drive them to kentucky its not that far from chicago. but were they really bonked it up they called the cops to drag a paying customer off the plane in front of a bunch of fones with video on them . if i was ceo of united i would have fired all my people involved.



posted on Apr, 11 2017 @ 09:07 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

simple solution like i said earlier leave 4 or 5 seats in economy vacant just for crew to deadhead from one spot to another. this flight wasn't overbooked they just needed to move 4 of their people. my solution fixes that. efficiently.



posted on Apr, 11 2017 @ 09:12 AM
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This is a disgusting display of how we are only valued by big corporations as consumers and not valued as people.

Southwest Airlines new ad -

"We beat the competition, not you". That is debatable...beat us in what context?



posted on Apr, 11 2017 @ 09:15 AM
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This guy is going to sue them and get rich. But if he is a doctor as indicated he probably doesn't even need the money.



posted on Apr, 11 2017 @ 09:17 AM
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The whole situation is pretty messy. The people who think United is too out of line need to speak with their dollars since money is what business listens to. Their stock is down. If enough people stop flying with them then they will have to change management style and find new employees who can deal with situations in a better manor.

As far as this doctor, he acts like a 6 year old, laying on the floor and having a tantrum. Doubt I would trust his decisions.



posted on Apr, 11 2017 @ 09:23 AM
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This guy was a 69 year old Internal Medicine Specialist.
He is married to Pediatrician and has three adult children who are also Drs.
He is Vietnamese-American and grandfather.

I can only offer advice in Yiddish " Nem Da Gelt " !!! (Get the money)

Buck
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posted on Apr, 11 2017 @ 09:25 AM
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originally posted by: roadgravel
The whole situation is pretty messy. The people who think United is too out of line need to speak with their dollars since money is what business listens to. Their stock is down. If enough people stop flying with them then they will have to change management style and find new employees who can deal with situations in a better manor.

As far as this doctor, he acts like a 6 year old, laying on the floor and having a tantrum. Doubt I would trust his decisions.




I equate his refusing to get up and be escorted out as a "sit-in"-type protest and the end results of any sit-in are the same...being dragged off to make a point.
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posted on Apr, 11 2017 @ 09:25 AM
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originally posted by: jjkenobi
This guy is going to sue them and get rich. But if he is a doctor as indicated he probably doesn't even need the money.


My bet is the airline has a contract with the ticket purchase that prevents being sued over the buyer not being carried on the flight.



posted on Apr, 11 2017 @ 09:26 AM
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If I were leader of this country, I'd end United Airlines toDAY.

The CEOs would be forced to drain their accounts and relinquish their stocks. All of their equity would be sold and divided up between the victim who would want for nothing monetarily for the rest of his life, the general employees and countless passengers to-be.
Whomever ordered the police into action would go to jail as well as any others involved with heavy fines.
Several planes would be set aflame upon each of the CEOs front lawns.

And then I'd address the remaining airlines with: "Do any of you wish to treat your passengers badly?"

Of course, in RL they'll just get bailed out by the banks as they are untouchable.



posted on Apr, 11 2017 @ 09:28 AM
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a reply to: InTheLight

Sure, that's may well be true. Being singled out is irritating. I am surprised a couple more people didn't go for the incentive and leave.



posted on Apr, 11 2017 @ 09:30 AM
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originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: InTheLight

Sure, that's may well be true. Being singled out is irritating. I am surprised a couple more people didn't go for the incentive and leave.


Sheeple-mind or bystander-mentality or programming complete? Pick one or all.



posted on Apr, 11 2017 @ 09:34 AM
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a reply to: Dark Ghost

I prefer asking questions to understand an argument better instead of assuming people's positions and then arguing based on that. So if a person's responses is leading me down a certain path but I don't feel they are being fully clear on the matter, I'll ask a simple question like that to see if I'm truly understanding what the person is getting at.



posted on Apr, 11 2017 @ 09:35 AM
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originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: InTheLight

Sure, that's may well be true. Being singled out is irritating. I am surprised a couple more people didn't go for the incentive and leave.


Sheeple-mind or bystander-mentality or programming complete? Pick one or all.


I suppose you are saying the average person should be able to control a company based on their belief.

What a world that would be.



posted on Apr, 11 2017 @ 09:36 AM
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a reply to: gottaknow

I feel like that is a little extreme in the opposite direction. The feds are currently carrying out an investigation into if UA violated the overbooking regulations that govern these events, so they are doing the right thing here.



posted on Apr, 11 2017 @ 09:38 AM
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originally posted by: proteus33
a reply to: Krazysh0t

simple solution like i said earlier leave 4 or 5 seats in economy vacant just for crew to deadhead from one spot to another. this flight wasn't overbooked they just needed to move 4 of their people. my solution fixes that. efficiently.

That's a grand idea. It's just a shame that airlines' procedures is to shove as many people as possible onto a flight like sardines. So purposely leaving seats open to them is just anathema to their beliefs. It's lost profit.




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