Jesus view on homosexuality and civil law

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: firefromabove
a reply to: Raggedyman

On marriage, it's not a christians buisness to decide for another individual what is right or wrong
Jesus taught us to love others, irrespective

Jesus in his wisdom also said a man who divorces his wife and remarries is guilty of adultery

Sounds like Jesus decided for other individuals what is right and wrong

Pretty sure he didn't approve of gay marriage either.

Yeah pretty sure He did as well.
Don't think I denied that at all
I think you miss the whole point of the thread

You dont deny that,but you still think Christians are to allow gay marriage and not judge them?

I thought Christians were to follow Jesus' example

originally posted by: firefromabove

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: firefromabove
a reply to: Raggedyman

On marriage, it's not a christians buisness to decide for another individual what is right or wrong
Jesus taught us to love others, irrespective

Jesus in his wisdom also said a man who divorces his wife and remarries is guilty of adultery

Sounds like Jesus decided for other individuals what is right and wrong

Pretty sure he didn't approve of gay marriage either.

Yeah pretty sure He did as well.
Don't think I denied that at all
I think you miss the whole point of the thread

You dont deny that,but you still think Christians are to allow gay marriage and not judge them?

I thought Christians were to follow Jesus' example

Jesus was talking to those who would follow Him, Jesus didn't teach against civil law, Rome,,slavery, homosexuality, unless I missed something
Care to show me

Where does Jesus teach judgement of people outside of the church. Nowhere in the NT does anyone teach anti homosexuality to the secular state
Care to,show me where Christians get to judge others

a reply to: Raggedyman

loving others like you love yourself is a judgement. you cant love yourself as much as they deserve.

a reply to: xbeta

Think you are overthinking this

a reply to: Raggedyman

is this an order?

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: firefromabove

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: firefromabove
a reply to: Raggedyman

On marriage, it's not a christians buisness to decide for another individual what is right or wrong
Jesus taught us to love others, irrespective

Jesus in his wisdom also said a man who divorces his wife and remarries is guilty of adultery

Sounds like Jesus decided for other individuals what is right and wrong

Pretty sure he didn't approve of gay marriage either.

Yeah pretty sure He did as well.
Don't think I denied that at all
I think you miss the whole point of the thread

You dont deny that,but you still think Christians are to allow gay marriage and not judge them?

I thought Christians were to follow Jesus' example

Jesus was talking to those who would follow Him, Jesus didn't teach against civil law, Rome,,slavery, homosexuality, unless I missed something
Care to show me

Where does Jesus teach judgement of people outside of the church. Nowhere in the NT does anyone teach anti homosexuality to the secular state
Care to,show me where Christians get to judge others

Jesus in the NT says the Law is to remain till heaven and earth passes away. The same law that says to punish homosexuality remains. That's why the ruling against homosexuality is not reiterated in the NT

If Christians are not supposed to judge others, then how do they deal with criminals and law breakers, without judging them?

How do they deal with their kids if they have a drug or alcohol problem, without judging then?

I am not a Christian but even I know that the Bibles instruction for life is very nuanced

You have an extremely simplistic understanding of the Bible. Its not as simple as

"Don't judge gay people because Jesus said nothing about it" OR "Jesus only message was love"

You make Jesus out to be a hippy.

Don't forget that Jesus taught that when he gets back anybody who refuses to accept him as king would be killed.

originally posted by: firefromabove

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs

originally posted by: firefromabove
a reply to: TerryDon79

God is loving and caring.

He let's you live, enjoy the sunshine, benefits of rainfall, sunsets, beautiful sceneries etcetera all while granting you the chance to repent before you die.

But since He created you, you are also His property. If He thinks you didn't turn out all right, after you die, He has the authority to toss you into His incinerator like a defective product.

Your god sounds like a vindictive creep, not a worship-worthy creator.

Glad he's not my god!

I've got some news for you my God is the only God there is.

Your words and opinions about God are just that : words and opinions.

You mean like every other religion says "my god is the only real god"? Well done.

You still failed to answer my question

So which is it?
Loving and caring
Or
Vindictive, evil, spiteful and a bit of a douche?
Or
Both because god of any bible is only a concept made by man?

I go with the last answer.

a reply to: TerryDon79

I thought I addressed your question

But I'll try rephrasing it.

God is loving and caring. the fact that you're allowed to live your entire lifespan and you have been given all that time to repent is proof. The fact that God has prepared an eternal paradise for His creatures is another proof.

And no, God tossing the trash in the incinerator does not make Him vindictive or evil. He's dealing with His property the way He sees fit.

a reply to: firefromabove

You keep contradicting yourself.

You say

God is loving and caring.

But then say

And no, God tossing the trash in the incinerator does not make Him vindictive or evil

Sounds like slave masters treating their "property".

Yeah, a "loving and caring god" "tossinng trash in the incinerator" sure sounds like a nice god.

Hopefully you don't have any pets. I'm sure if they peed on the carpet you'd just burn them to death.

a reply to: TerryDon79

God made us. we are His property.

He also made an incinerator to dump the defective specimens into.

Nothing vindictive about God destroying his creations that he's not happy with.

Atheists need to deal with it.

originally posted by: firefromabove
a reply to: TerryDon79

God made us. we are His property.

I'm sure you can prove that. Oh, wait, you can't because it's your "belief", just like every other religion.

He also made an incinerator to dump the defective specimens into.

Nice to know that your "loving and caring" god throws babies born with defects and anyone with a disability in an incinerator. Sounds like a bit of a dick to me.

Atheists need to deal with it.

Or religions nutbars need to practice what they preach. You're certainly not a "loving and caring" person. You sound angry because you're getting schooled by a non believer in your made up belief.

a reply to: TerryDon79

I'm not being "schooled" and I'm not even angry.

Nice to know that your "loving and caring" god throws babies born with defects and anyone with a disability in an incinerator.

I wasn't referring to babies with birth defects.

I was referring to those who out of their own will, deny God.

Those are the defective ones headed to the incinerator.

And they will remain there for all eternity and there's nothing atheists can do about it

a reply to: firefromabove

Now you're backpeddling. Typical when you religious lot get called out.

I wasn't referring to babies

No, you were referring to everyone. Did you forget when you typed this?

God made us. we are His property.

You said

He also made an incinerator to dump the defective specimens into.

No signs of no babies there.

You said

And no, God tossing the trash in the incinerator does not make Him vindictive or evil. He's dealing with His property the way He sees fit.

No sign of no babies there either.

So babies who are born with defects and die young, adults who were born with disabilities and anyone who gets hurt in their lifetime is "defective" so burn them!

Sounds like such a "loving and caring" god.

a reply to: firefromabove

Yeah that's right, when Jesus gets back is when judgement takes place by God, not you, not now.

It's people like you that poison christianity

Why don't you go and get some biblical evidence suggesting that Christians can judge secular society and people who are not christian

The New Testament is very clear, you will be judged by God with the same measure of judgement you judge others by, here, now

a reply to: TerryDon79

So babies who are born with defects and die young, adults who were born with disabilities and anyone who gets hurt in their lifetime is "defective" so burn them!

Strawman. But that's the typical atheist way of debate, so nvm

Let me spell it out for you.

The incinerator is for atheists and evil people, not people with disabilities.

Try again.

a reply to: Raggedyman

Not a Christian.

But I acknowledge that the Bible teaches that hell exists and is eternal

God does send wicked people to hell

originally posted by: firefromabove
a reply to: TerryDon79

So babies who are born with defects and die young, adults who were born with disabilities and anyone who gets hurt in their lifetime is "defective" so burn them!

Strawman. But that's the typical atheist way of debate, so nvm

Let me spell it out for you.

The incinerator is for atheists and evil people, not people with disabilities.

Try again.

You said "defective specimens", not me. Now you're trying to say you meant athiests and evil people.

I wish you religious nutbars would make up your minds. It's very confusing when you say one thing, but a few moments later change your mind and magically mean something else.

a reply to: TerryDon79

My posts about throwing defective specimens into an incinerator was obviously an analogy for atheists (God's creations that didnt turn out right) being sent to hell.

originally posted by: firefromabove
a reply to: TerryDon79

My posts about throwing defective specimens into an incinerator was obviously an analogy for atheists (God's creations that didnt turn out right) being sent to hell.

No it wasn't. It was about "defective specimens". Not once did you say it was about atheists.

But good to know that the "loving and caring" god that, supposedly, gave us free will, didn't really mean it. He was just being a douche because he likes playing games.

a reply to: TerryDon79

It was an analogy

Atheists are defective specimens to God.

Because despite being endowed with the same facilities as theists, choose not to believe in God