Jesus view on homosexuality and civil law

a reply to: TerryDon79

God is loving and caring.

He let's you live, enjoy the sunshine, benefits of rainfall, sunsets, beautiful sceneries etcetera all while granting you the chance to repent before you die.

But since He created you, you are also His property. If He thinks you didn't turn out all right, after you die, He has the authority to toss you into His incinerator like a defective product.

First you say

originally posted by: firefromabove
a reply to: TerryDon79

God is loving and caring.

Then you say

He has the authority to toss you into His incinerator like a defective product

So which is it?
Loving and caring
Or
Vindictive, evil, spiteful and a bit of a douche?
Or
Both because god of any bible is only a concept made by man?

I go with the last answer.

a reply to: TerryDon79

God made your soul, sent it to earth to dwell in you while you were an embryo

He let's you grow up even if you deny His existence

You have but one life to sort your life out and recognize your Maker.

If you die without doing so, you will be deemed defective.

and God will deal with His creations that are defective the way He sees fit.

a reply to: firefromabove

That didn't answer my question.

Is your god of your bible....
Loving and caring
Or
Vindictive, evil, spiteful and a bit of a douche?
Or
Both because god of any bible is only a concept made by man?

originally posted by: firefromabove
a reply to: TerryDon79

God is loving and caring.

He let's you live, enjoy the sunshine, benefits of rainfall, sunsets, beautiful sceneries etcetera all while granting you the chance to repent before you die.

But since He created you, you are also His property. If He thinks you didn't turn out all right, after you die, He has the authority to toss you into His incinerator like a defective product.

Your god sounds like a vindictive creep, not a worship-worthy creator.

Glad he's not my god!

originally posted by: firefromabove
a reply to: TerryDon79

God made your soul, sent it to earth to dwell in you while you were an embryo

He let's you grow up even if you deny His existence

You have but one life to sort your life out and recognize your Maker.

If you die without doing so, you will be deemed defective.

and God will deal with His creations that are defective the way He sees fit.

Preposterous claim, that.

Do you have children? I do. I have two children. I brought them into this world. I gave them physical life, and they have souls because I am their mother, and I have a soul and so does their father. It's inherited. We are all part of the Divine.

I gave them life, and then nurtured, fed, sheltered, protected, and taught them how to live on this earth. When they reached 18 years of age, their dad and I high-fived - we made these people! I will love them no matter HOW they behave, because that's what Loving, Caring parents do.

Your "God" sounds like an abuser and a soulless asshat.

originally posted by: firefromabove
a reply to: Raggedyman

On marriage, it's not a christians buisness to decide for another individual what is right or wrong
Jesus taught us to love others, irrespective

Jesus in his wisdom also said a man who divorces his wife and remarries is guilty of adultery

Sounds like Jesus decided for other individuals what is right and wrong

Pretty sure he didn't approve of gay marriage either.

Yeah pretty sure He did as well.
Don't think I denied that at all
I think you miss the whole point of the thread

originally posted by: firefromabove
a reply to: TerryDon79

God is loving and caring.

He let's you live, enjoy the sunshine, benefits of rainfall, sunsets, beautiful sceneries etcetera all while granting you the chance to repent before you die.

But since He created you, you are also His property. If He thinks you didn't turn out all right, after you die, He has the authority to toss you into His incinerator like a defective product.

No we are never Gods property, we have free will
And the word is not property. The word is children, beloved


If we don't choose God when we are on earth, He won't force Himself on us

He'll isn't just a hot burning place, it is effectively a persons choice to be separate from God

None of us ever turn out right, that's why we follow Christ

God doesn't toss people in an incinerator, a person chooses now, here, to be with God or without Him

Fire from above, are you a Christian, don't you think it's silly to preach what you don't understand

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs

originally posted by: glad_to_be_His
I think there is some confusion between our judgement and God's Judgement. God certainly makes judgements on morality; homosexuality clearly being one of them.

According to.....

That said, it is not our place to enact judgement on others, it is God's place.

So, doesn't that mean you should shove off and leave the area? Then you won't have to be irritated or enraged or aroused by what the folks are doing....

He gives us free will - to accept His morality or not.

And free will to accept the writings of men or not.

It is each individual's choice where they will stand.

YEP

It is not our place to judge someone for the choice they make.

Spot on, mate. Exactly right. De veras. Yes.

That doesn't make their choices right or moral.

It also doesn't make your choices right or moral. Leave them alone and focus on your own self.

Hey look buzzywiggs preaching her atheist fundamentalism at people again

Why do you become such a self righteous moraliser buzz
Why do you get your jollys telling others what to do

All you did is a free with glad to be his in a nasty vindictive way, why?
Do you need to stay relevant,mare you a hero on a white horse

Sounding like a very bitter person and little more to me.

a reply to: Raggedyman

You're very angry for a supposed Christian who believes in "love and caring".

I actually believe (yes, believe) that you're really an atheist who has come here to make Christians look bad. You're definitely doing a good job at it

Raggedyman:

Hey look buzzywiggs preaching her atheist fundamentalism at people again

Why do you become such a self righteous moraliser buzz
Why do you get your jollys telling others what to do

Dude, I am not an atheist.

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: Raggedyman

TerryDon79 wrote:

You're very angry for a supposed Christian who believes in "love and caring".

I actually believe (yes, believe) that you're really an atheist who has come here to make Christians look bad. You're definitely doing a good job at it

I've told Raggedyman a hundred times that I'm not an atheist.

Good Gawd. You people are really eccentric......so am I, but COME ON!!!

*throws hands in air and departs room*

a reply to: Raggedyman

Hey look buzzywiggs preaching her atheist fundamentalism at people again

Why do you become such a self righteous moraliser buzz
Why do you get your jollys telling others what to do

All you did is a free with glad to be his in a nasty vindictive way, why?
Do you need to stay relevant,mare you a hero on a white horse

Sounding like a very bitter person and little more to me.

I can help you if you want help. Raggedy, it is obvious and very apparent that you are consumed with disdain and hatred. You participate here, but you don't "converse." You espouse things, and then ask for responses that you can bat away one-at-a-time.

That's really not a well-balanced position there, man.

I can help you, but first you have to acknowledge that the imbalance actually exists.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: Raggedyman

You're very angry for a supposed Christian who believes in "love and caring".

I actually believe (yes, believe) that you're really an atheist who has come here to make Christians look bad. You're definitely doing a good job at it

I've told him a hundred times that I'm not an atheist.

Do you really expect him to listen though? Hell, he hasn't even tried to counter my counter of his "loving and caring" nonesense from page 8 on. All he's got is " god is loving and caring coz I said so" and calling me an atheist, as if that somehow makes my quoting the bible invalid lol.

I do stand with what I said though. I do believe he isn't a Christian who is just trying to make them look bad.

ETA: Um, I'm not calling you an atheist lol. My reply was to him, not you

a reply to: TerryDon79

And a tenacious one, for sure. I guess that's what some folks think they're supposed to do. Lots of times it goes back to some crisis or trauma in the family system that occurred over generations or at least decades. People get really screwed up by their environments, the actual real-world situations that they face.

It's tragic, really.


But. If they are posting on here, knowing the climate, they should be expecting the feedback that they get from their input. It's a tricky dance, and the choreography is by no means sorted out at this point.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

He continuously calls me a gnostic as well

Apparently if one is well read on a subject said person also accepts the label attached to the subject

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

. . . it is obvious and very apparent that you are consumed with disdain and hatred. You participate here, but you don't "converse." You espouse things, and then ask for responses that you can bat away one-at-a-time.

Seriously? I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

originally posted by: imwilliam
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

. . . it is obvious and very apparent that you are consumed with disdain and hatred. You participate here, but you don't "converse." You espouse things, and then ask for responses that you can bat away one-at-a-time.

Seriously? I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

No idea what your point is.
No emotions required.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

No idea what your point is.

Then let me help you.

The following:

. . . it is obvious and very apparent that you are consumed with disdain and hatred. You participate here, but you don't "converse." You espouse things, and then ask for responses that you can bat away one-at-a-time.

Which you wrote about another member; is so very often, a near perfect description of the way you behave here. That you can't see that is either hysterically funny or tragically sad. And so, "whether to laugh or cry".

a reply to: imwilliam

Which you wrote about another member; is so very often, a near perfect description of the way you behave here. That you can't see that is either hysterically funny or tragically sad. And so, "whether to laugh or cry".

Interesting. Maybe you should listen to both sides, then, and see which one holds more water.
Child abuse is wrong.
Indoctrination and brainwashing is wrong.
Threatening eternal torture is wrong.
Murdering people who step out of line is wrong.







Your choice, then: Laugh or cry.
Makes no difference to me; I've been advised by counsel far above your pay-scale to just stop giving a crap.
And it is my choice.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs

originally posted by: firefromabove
a reply to: TerryDon79

God is loving and caring.

He let's you live, enjoy the sunshine, benefits of rainfall, sunsets, beautiful sceneries etcetera all while granting you the chance to repent before you die.

But since He created you, you are also His property. If He thinks you didn't turn out all right, after you die, He has the authority to toss you into His incinerator like a defective product.

Your god sounds like a vindictive creep, not a worship-worthy creator.

Glad he's not my god!

I've got some news for you my God is the only God there is.

Your words and opinions about God are just that : words and opinions.